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MD's top 4 scorers = 3 sophs and 1 freshman. Their coach
Feb 23, 2013, 2:01 PM
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is in his 2nd year.
The "we're just young" excuse, again, doesn't wash.
The "Brownell hasn't had time" excuse doesn't wash.
The problem is recruiting, specifically recruiting basketball players who can shoot and score. Until we get that fixed, it won't get much better. It's that simple.
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Purnell was very good at talent development. Not sure about
Feb 23, 2013, 2:03 PM
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Brownell yet in those areas.
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BB is fine at talent development imo.
Feb 23, 2013, 2:05 PM
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We'll see more in the next year or so just how good he is at it.
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Yep. Didn't do much with Jennings and Booker over the 3
Feb 23, 2013, 2:07 PM
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years but maybe no coach would have.
We will certainly be able to better judge next year.
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Purnell had faults but how can you say he didn't develop
Feb 23, 2013, 2:12 PM
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his players?
Raymond Sykes couldn't even catch a basketball as a freshman. Trevor Booker went to the NBA. Cliff Hammonds, Mayes, Ford, etc. So many examples
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Re: Purnell had faults but how can you say he didn't develop
Feb 23, 2013, 2:19 PM
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All Sykes could ever do was dunk. That's it.
Trevor Booker might be the exception. I would give more credit to his own hard work and athleticism than to OP coaching him.
Hammonds, Mayes, Ford, etc. were all athletes who came in and performed well under a scheme designed for athletic players. OP was not a coach of the fundamentals of basketball, he was a coach of a gimmick scheme that would catch other teams off guard.
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He knew his system and recruited to it. Just saying next
Feb 23, 2013, 2:27 PM
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year we will be able to see if Brownell has recruited the right type of guys and how well they have developed in his system.
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Re: He knew his system and recruited to it. Just saying next
Feb 23, 2013, 2:31 PM
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Fair enough. Just keep in mind that two of Brownell's better (arguably best) recruits had to sit this year. If Brownell isn't winning by the time this year's sophomores are seniors, then I would say a replacement is needed.
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I think Brownell's a great coach. My only concern is that he
Feb 23, 2013, 2:35 PM
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seems to be unwilling to cheat at all in recruiting.
I'm not talking about straight cheating, just pushing limits.
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Re: I think Brownell's a great coach. My only concern is that he
Feb 23, 2013, 2:41 PM
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I don't believe pushing the limits is the answer
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Re: Purnell was very good at talent development. Not sure about
Feb 23, 2013, 3:16 PM
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Lol no he wasnt.... BoBo was a big time get out of High School and did not improve one bit when OP was here. He made more strides under Brownell in 1 year than 3 with OP.
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op could GET better talent, bb is better at x's and o's. one
Feb 23, 2013, 8:52 PM
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can only wonder at what we could have been with all our players healthy. i like where we are heading, just taking a little longer to get there than i hoped.
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Re: MD's top 4 scorers = 3 sophs and 1 freshman. Their coach
Feb 23, 2013, 2:03 PM
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Maryland is much more attractive for talented ball players than Clemson.
The problem is Clemson is not a place where talented basketball players want to go. Brownell is doing his job.
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So, do we just concede that we will never be able to compete
Feb 23, 2013, 2:11 PM
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in basketball, or do we set about fixing that?
I don't buy for one second that Clemson, due to it's location, can not and will not ever have a strong basketball program. That's false. If we do believe that, then scarp the basketball program now. But to think we can accomplish it without good basketball talent, but rather with scrappy play, discipline, and/or smoke and mirrors is a fantasy.
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Re: So, do we just concede that we will never be able to compete
Feb 23, 2013, 2:15 PM
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No the problem isn't location. It is tradition. I'm not saying give up. I'm just saying you can't compare Clemson to Maryland in their ability to recruit talented basketball players at this point.
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Of course it's tradition, which has shaped our
Feb 23, 2013, 2:33 PM
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expectations. I'd like to see that change - and it's not going to until we raise our expectations for the basketball program, and make a commitment to overcome the tradition (or lack thereof) and get some good basketball players. Anything else is a concession.
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Re: Of course it's tradition, which has shaped our
Feb 23, 2013, 2:37 PM
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The expectations are there. The fans are there. The coaching is there. And you are right in saying recruiting is the missing piece. But that is an extremely difficult task with so many more attractive schools for basketball players around us. Fixing that won't happen overnight.
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No it won't - but we've got to start somewhere, and to
Feb 23, 2013, 2:43 PM
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continue on the current course is a certain recipe for failure. Got to make a commitment to get better basketball players to Clemson, whether it be improving facilities, a dynamic coaching staff who can recruit, a PR campaign, different recruiting strategies, etc., whatever.
I think Brownell is a great basketball coach. If he had Maryland's players today, and Turgeon had our's, Brownell would have won by as much or more.
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great point...coaches make a difference in a win/loss
Feb 23, 2013, 2:54 PM
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when the talent level is relatively close...when there is a big difference in talent you can't make up for it....every player has a limit to their ability.
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It doesn't happen overnight.
Feb 23, 2013, 2:16 PM
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Basketball for teams that aren't UNC, Duke, Kentucky, etc. is all about experience. Maryland is one of the most talented teams in the league and will likely make a run in the tourney at some point over the next few years with the team they put out there today. Patience is important.
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I think you are on to something.***
Feb 23, 2013, 2:38 PM
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I've been a fan for 40 yrs and I've never seen us take bball
Feb 23, 2013, 2:55 PM
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seriously enough to make a commitment to it financially to win...I think we are happy to win in football and baseball and give basketball lip service. I don't think we really believe we can win in basketball so we don't try to.....my impression.
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Re: So, do we just concede that we will never be able to compete
Feb 23, 2013, 3:16 PM
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We will not be able to compete with a Freshmen and Sophmore filled line up. We can not recruit those type players with our current facilities and history. That is fact. Brownell is recruiting at the same level as OP.
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That's all well and good for MD but it doesn't change things
Feb 23, 2013, 2:04 PM
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the fact is taht we are still a young team. Maybe MD is the exception to the rule but most young teams aren't going to be that great. BB has not had time. One again it's not fair to compare him to a team that might be an exception not the rule. Lastly I completely agree that we have to recruit better but in all honesty pure shooters right out of HS are few and far between and most of those are picked up by big name programs. We have to make due with what we get
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Exactly...youth is the reason MD is a bubble team
Feb 23, 2013, 2:06 PM
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and on the outside looking in. If they weren't "young" then they would be probably a 5 or 6 seed right now
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Shocking that UNC is better than Clemson in basketball.***
Feb 23, 2013, 2:17 PM
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Of course, you are missing my point, which is that
Feb 23, 2013, 2:25 PM
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we are struggling not so much because of youth, but because of a lack of talent.
And no, I don't expect us to recruit at the same level as UNC, so don't go there. At least not any time soon. But, we have to recruit much better than we have under Brownell, or even OP, if we are to compete in the ACC. It has to start somewhere, somehow, at some point.
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Its no surprise that we're struggling.
Feb 23, 2013, 2:44 PM
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Hell when Brownell got here we didn't even have enough players to practice against ourselves. We recruited a total of two players over two years and now have a team with 2 seniors and zero juniors. It doesn't matter who you hire short of Coach K or Calliperi, we were bound to struggle this year. It simply blows my mind that people haven't gotten past that yet. If we are still struggling to be in the middle of the ACC two years from now, you have an argument, but I find that unlikely.
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But UVA, MD, and UNC are doing better with similarly young
Feb 23, 2013, 3:10 PM
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lineups. How do you explain that - what is the difference?
They aren't struggling as bad as we are.
It's talent, specifically guys that can shoot and score.
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Re: But UVA, MD, and UNC are doing better with similarly young
Feb 23, 2013, 3:14 PM
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The difference is those schools have advantages on the recruiting trail that allow them to bring in the elite talent that can make impacts in the first few years.
Its not that hard to understand if you can look objectively.
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I understand it very well, but I think it's a mistake to
Feb 23, 2013, 3:21 PM
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simply say "we just can't get the good players at Clemson", which is just to roll over and wait to be abused.
I see no reason that it can't change - and I think the expectation should be that it will. I guess we have been conditioned by our history, but I can't believe that everybody will so easily accept defeat.
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Re: I understand it very well, but I think it's a mistake to
Feb 23, 2013, 3:27 PM
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Who is accepting defeat? NO one is accepting defeat. Everyone however can look past their dislike of Brownell to see that Clemson has a TON working against it in Basketball currently. Other than T Book name ONE Purnell recruit that had a significant impact his Freshmen year.
I am wanting Littlejohn fixed to help with that but to talk the way you are talking in this thread is just nothing but one sided hate. I am sorry that you cant see things objectively and want to fire a coach before he is given a fair shot.
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You are badly mistaken. I think Brownell is a great coach
Feb 23, 2013, 3:39 PM
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and I am not calling for his head. You can count me among those who actually like his style of strong defense and solid half-court offense. I hope he is super successful at Clemson; but he won't be if he doesn't recruit better.
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Re: You are badly mistaken. I think Brownell is a great coach
Feb 23, 2013, 3:40 PM
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His recruiting is no different than OPs....
Other than TBook name another Freshmen that had a great impact.
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You seem to think I am somehow defending OP.
Feb 23, 2013, 4:12 PM
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I'm not. OP did good at Clemson with what he had, running what was almost a gimmick style that made the most of a lack of basketball skills while emphasizing athleticism. I think the main reason (rumors aside) that OP left Clemson is because he had done all he could do at Clemson. He too, knew that he was going to have to recruit better to get the program to the next level, and decided to move on when he had a good offer.
I am not bashing Brownell - Every coach at Clemson has faced the same thing. The one that can somehow overcome it is the one that will succeed. I hope it's Brownell. Until then, more of the same.
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Questions -
Feb 23, 2013, 6:02 PM
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Do you think our youth will improve as they gain experience and confidence? Do you think our team will improve as basically the entire roster gains experience? Do you think teams like Butler have great players - or just good coaching and experienced players executing as a team?
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Question for you - UVA, UNC, and MD are all just as young as
Feb 23, 2013, 6:26 PM
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we are - and they are better than we are now. Of course our young players will improve some and gain confidence, but so will theirs.
For what it's worth, Butler has guys that can shoot a basketball. They have 5 players who play 11 minutes or more per game who average over 70% from the FT line; 2 of those average over 80%. We have one who averages over 70%, Harrison at 75%. It's not just about recruiting highly rated players, it's about recruiting players with specific skills, and you've got to have guys who can shoot - it's not optional. I don't want to hear that we can't get those guys at Clemson; for God's sake if Butler can, there is no reason we can't.
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that's the reason we have struggled in most yrs my entire
Feb 23, 2013, 2:49 PM
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life...we simply don't have enough talent...players easily get overwhelmed in situations whether better players know how to react....saw it today over and over.
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And our best recruit has not been able to play...........***
Feb 23, 2013, 2:09 PM
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ReAnd our best recruit has not been able to play...same deal
Feb 23, 2013, 2:12 PM
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too for the one from the prior year who could be argued was the best- Coleman
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just sayin what exactly?***
Feb 23, 2013, 2:33 PM
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CU Medallion [58622]
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That not having Blossomgame may not be that big of a factor.
Feb 23, 2013, 2:36 PM
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Milt was much more highly rated coming out of high school - and he was a non-factor as a freshman. The same could be true of Blossomgame.
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Were you not saying we were being out-recruited???
Feb 23, 2013, 2:45 PM
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Now good recruits don't matter??? You lost me.
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We have been out-recruited. Do you question that?
Feb 23, 2013, 2:56 PM
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It's impossible to know how a single recruit is gonna pan out. That doesn't mean that consistently signing highly rated recruits is not an advantage.
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Well we aren't Maryland***
Feb 23, 2013, 2:10 PM
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I would say Maryland simply has better players than us***
Feb 23, 2013, 2:46 PM
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Exactly***
Feb 23, 2013, 2:51 PM
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Doesn't that go against your main point though?
Feb 23, 2013, 2:55 PM
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You say that they are young yet they play good so we should do so as well. That's not the case becuase like you agreed to they just have better players then us. In that case youht means very little and we're talking about talent. Coaching only goes so far if the other team has more talent then you and if you are going to take that and say that coach BB should get better talent then I agree with you.
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I think what he means is youth can't be an excuse to be bad
Feb 23, 2013, 2:57 PM
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in all situations...some teams are young and win...our problem isn't a youth problem..it's a talent problem.
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Actually I think both is correct
Feb 23, 2013, 3:02 PM
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The only guys old enough to have experience aren't that talented and the young guys with enough talent to make a difference or either hurt or don't have the expereince yet to be assests. I think Filer, KJ, Roper have enough talent to be good players but don't have the experiene yet to but it all together.
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experience does bring calmness in basketball
Feb 23, 2013, 3:05 PM
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younger players tend to have the game go too fast for them....their heads are spinning but better players tend to player slower and more confidently as well. We're in a situation where we don't have a lot of commitment to the sport...not a lot of success/tradition and as a result we are relying on players that aren't ready for this stage.
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But here is the problem with that - UNC, MD, and UVA are
Feb 23, 2013, 3:14 PM
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all young as well, and they are better than us now. So, while our young guys will undoubtedly get better, so will theirs.
We will never get there without the talent, by simply relying on experience. It's a fantasy.
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I see a few players with good instincts
Feb 23, 2013, 3:03 PM
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Roper and McDaniels have a good instincts...Hall is extremely limited.....Nnoke is extremely raw...he came out to defend a pick and roll and forgot to sag back in and gave up an easy dunk....just lack of experience....Harrison and Sullivan are good athletes..not great basketball players.
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Re: MD's top 4 scorers = 3 sophs and 1 freshman. Their coach
Feb 23, 2013, 3:11 PM
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You are aware that Maryland has a BUNCH of advantages over Clemson in recruiting right?
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Are you really comparing Maryland Basketball to us? They
Feb 23, 2013, 3:20 PM
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have as many National Championships this Century as we have NCAA Tourney wins...They are in a Basketball hotbed...They have better facillites and better fan support...It's like comparing Duke football to Clemson football...
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Of course not, but the question is, do we simply accept
Feb 23, 2013, 3:31 PM
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the status quo, or do we do something about it?
Schools who are in recruiting hotbeds like UMD certainly have an advantage, but there are also schools who have very good basketball programs who are not in such hotbeds. It can be done.
As far as tradition goes, we've got to change it. We have got to build that tradition. We can't use our lack of tradition as an excuse to accept mediocrity.
As far as the Clemson/Duke comparison, Clemson is, in my opinion, in a much better position to be successful in basketball than Duke is in football. We have to commit to getting better players.
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Re: Of course not, but the question is, do we simply accept
Feb 23, 2013, 3:34 PM
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Jesus are you paying attention?
We are doing something about it. LJ is about to be completely redone. That will help out with recruiting a ton.
You act like nothing is going on to address our insane deficit with Basketball facilities.
Right now we are easily in the bottom 10% of facilities in the ACC.
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When does the renovation begin?
Feb 23, 2013, 4:19 PM
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I knew Radakovich and the BOT were considering Littlejohn and whether or not it was adequate going forward. Didn't know that any decision had been made or that it was about to be "redone". I'd like a link to that announcement if you could provide it.
I am encouraged by Radakovich's remarks and I think he gets it. A new basketball arena would easily be a bigger, more costly project than the entire WEZ, so I am crossing my fingers. That would be a huge step in the right direction. I just hope it's not too late for Brownell's sake.
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Re: MD's top 4 scorers = 3 sophs and 1 freshman. Their coach
Feb 23, 2013, 3:29 PM
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Any coach who comes to CU will have a very difficult time recruiting until a state of the art practice facility along with player amenities is built. That's on top of the lack of a solid tradition and school location as compared with those in more urban areas. IMO, just a new practice facility would yield significant results.
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Maryland is a MUCH easier place to recruit...
Feb 23, 2013, 5:14 PM
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They have tradition, but more than that the Washington D.C area is loaded with talent. That was the main problem under Gary Williams is he was underachieving in recruiting.
Clemson is in a subpar state for Basketball talent. Add to that that UGA and GT take what they want out of the state of GA and UNC/Duke/NCst/Wake are all neighbors that pilfer away any talent they want and Clemson is faced with immense problems geographically on where to pull players from. Add to that the total lack of tradition and facilities, and it's no wonder we can't recruit at Clemson.
The problems Clemson faces in basketball right now are very similar to if we were coming off probation. OP left in the middle of the night with no chance to salvage any recruiting that year. Then add that we have had injuries and most notably, transfers. The fact that we have won 5 games in the ACC this year (and lost 5 by 5pts or less) is a testament to Brownell's coaching. Let the guy develop his team and let's see what the team looks like in 2 years. If it's still struggling, there will be serious talk about Clemson's future, but right now it's premature to expect much out of the team.
Just note that the players Brownell is getting this year are better than last year's class, and last year's class was better than the previous one (not hard to do) so we are seeing better recruiting. We aren't Kentucky that can bring in freshmen and expect them to be great all-around players. Brownell is going to have to develop them into basketball players and that's something he's known to be very good at. Let's give it time instead of expecting the world so soon.
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UGA and GT DO NOT get the best players in the state of GA
Feb 23, 2013, 9:21 PM
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in basketball...the best players leave the state...GA and GT have been having an AWFUL time over the past 5-10 yrs keeping the players in state and as a result have been awful teams.
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GT ALWAYS gets top talent in GA
Feb 23, 2013, 11:31 PM
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Maybe not the last 2 years, but over the last 2 decades they certainly have
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LOL
Feb 23, 2013, 5:36 PM
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Yeah, UMD is exactly like Clemson. Except that they've won a NC and we haven't even been to the Final Four. That's why they have freshmen and sophomores who can play and we lose to Coastal Carolina.
Just accept the fact that Clemson will never, ever be a perennial contender. Sorry to be so defeatist but the last century has made that very clear.
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Wow. Utter ignorance about the game and our current roster.
Feb 23, 2013, 5:55 PM
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That's really all that needs to be said. Comparing any one team to Clemson and trying to make broad stroke comments such as yours - that's just plain ignorant. Only someone suffering from a lack of knowledge about the game and our current roster would say something so simpleminded as "it's that simple". It's not nearly that simple. I've seen you saying a lot of similar things..things that make it clear you don't understand what you're talking about. Stick to football, assuming you understand that game a little better.
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And those types of players must WANT to play for BB...
Feb 23, 2013, 6:01 PM
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...haven't seen much interest from even marginally good talent running to BB's door. Recall the quick exodus of the best recruits Clemson had in a long time as soon as BB showed up in Tiger Town.
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Re: And those types of players must WANT to play for BB...
Feb 23, 2013, 8:48 PM
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OPs prize recruits who transferred aren't exactly setting the basketball world on fire. Noel Johnson at AU this year 5.1ppg, 34.3fg, 57.1fts. Donte Hill at 4-23 ODU 8.0ppg, 37.3fg, 59.3fts.
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MD is 10 years removed from a national championship***
Feb 23, 2013, 11:30 PM
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