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The only thing that concerns me about going to the Big 12.
May 19, 2012, 6:15 PM
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I realize there are concerns about the extra travel plus its effect on local recruiting, a conference dominated by Texas, the Longhorn Network, etc. There are always going to be downsides to a move. I'm not convinced those can't be dealt with. What concerns me is what can't be controlled. If in 5 years, Texas and Oklahoma decide to move to the PAC 10 for whatever reasons, motivation and enticement, then we are done. We will be stuck in a dysfunctional conference with a bunch of podunks. Though the ACC has more than its fair share of football podunks, at least they have credibility in basketball. I realize that agreements can be signed, penalties imposed and that Texas and Oklahoma will say that "we are in it for the long haul, blah, blah, blah". Contracts and words are broken all the time. I don't trust Texas nor Oklahoma. Heck, I don't trust FSU (if for some reason the SEC was willing to take them in but, not us, FSU would throw us under the bus faster than Bobby Bowden could say "dad gumit". Everybody looks out for old number one. I guess if that happened, we could ask the ACC to take us back. But, A., that would be humiliating and B. they would extract every ounce of blood from us before taking us back.
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Re: The only thing that concerns me about going to the Big 12.
May 19, 2012, 6:20 PM
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The only place we should go to is the sec period. It makes no sense to go to big 12.
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Re: The only thing that concerns me about going to the Big 12.
May 19, 2012, 6:23 PM
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Yes but, they don't want nor need us. Our only posible options are the Big 12 and the ACC.
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basketball means NOTHING. some of you still dont get it.***
May 19, 2012, 6:25 PM
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Re: basketball means NOTHING. some of you still dont get it.***
May 19, 2012, 6:29 PM
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I realize that. The point is that if we get left in a Big 12 conference that no longer includes Texas and Oklahoma, stop turning the BBQ spit and bring on the sauce, because we will be done.
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In the unlikely event that happens....
May 19, 2012, 7:34 PM
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We'll pick up VTech and with GTech or State and STILL be in better shape than whatever would be left of the AC-Seeya!
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Re: Re: The only thing that concerns me about going to the Big 12.
May 19, 2012, 6:28 PM
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USC doesn't want us in the sec. That is the logical choice lol for us. Like military intelligence.
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this is not a far-fetched scenario. The Chancellor of UT
May 19, 2012, 6:29 PM
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is a PAC 12 guy. He has made it clear he'd like to see UT in the PAC 12. If the money was right for both UT and the PAC 12 it could happen (particularly if everyone is trying to get to 16).
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I'd be willing to bet my LIFE that FSU and CU
May 19, 2012, 6:29 PM
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have some guarantees in writing (unofficially, but binding) assuring our move will not hurt us.
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Re: I'd be willing to bet my LIFE that FSU and CU
May 19, 2012, 6:31 PM
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"Guarantees" are broken all the time.
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Re: I'd be willing to bet my LIFE that FSU and CU
May 19, 2012, 6:32 PM
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Not when they're signed and notarized.
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Re: I'd be willing to bet my LIFE that FSU and CU
May 19, 2012, 6:35 PM
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LOL
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Re: I'd be willing to bet my LIFE that FSU and CU
May 19, 2012, 6:36 PM
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LMAO
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Re: I'd be willing to bet my LIFE that FSU and CU
May 19, 2012, 6:38 PM
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My LOL was regarding the "notarized" reference.
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And you think legal docs aren't notarized?
May 19, 2012, 6:42 PM
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Really?
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You think Texas cares?
May 19, 2012, 6:44 PM
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If they want to do something they'll do it. Even if we have some signed notarized form from them, they'll buy their way out of it.
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Re: You think Texas cares?
May 19, 2012, 6:51 PM
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Exactly.
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We would sue........and win.......BIG
May 19, 2012, 6:54 PM
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There are a few things lawyers are good for.
This would be one of them.
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Re: We would sue........and win.......BIG
May 19, 2012, 6:55 PM
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"Win" by being left in an unstable conference 900 miles away from campus.
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I live in America. Settlements here take into consideration
May 19, 2012, 6:59 PM
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lost future income.
The BigXII isn't gonna give an offer in writing unless they mean it. To back out would be too costly.
Regardless, we're in. We have an agreement.......binding.
We'll accept.
Case closed.
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Commissioner [942]
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And I'm saying that the concern is that Texas and Oklahoma
May 19, 2012, 7:03 PM
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will leave down the road. There are always penalties. Heck, it will cost us $20 million to leave the ACC. That's not stopping us. For us, THAT is a lot of money.
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TX and OK aren't going anywhere.....because of what they
May 19, 2012, 7:05 PM
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know. As for our buy-out, at least half from the BigXII is part of the agreement.
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We don't know what we don't know. And a PAC 10 could pay
May 19, 2012, 7:11 PM
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their buyout. To assume that they won't leave, is unwise.
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I think they both would have been long gone if they were
May 19, 2012, 7:15 PM
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going to go. Personally, I believe both UT and OU chose to cast their lot with the BigXII. They ran off their Swofturd-like commish and hired a new one. The rest will be history.
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Re: I think they both would have been long gone if they were
May 19, 2012, 7:18 PM
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That's why I said 5 years from now. Who knows? These are uncharted waters.
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Re: We would sue........and win.......BIG
May 19, 2012, 6:56 PM
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The end result would be the same, regardless. Texas and Oklahoma would be gone. That's the way these things are played. They'd come to a negotiated settlement as always and be gone.
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Re: And you think legal docs aren't notarized?
May 19, 2012, 6:53 PM
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In Texas, we are dealing with people who have no ethics. Contracts are made to be broken. That's a way of life in that state.
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Is the BigXII conference HQ in TX? I'm asking.
May 19, 2012, 7:09 PM
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I don't know. TX is the one state in which legal issues are quite cloudy. I used to be a life/health insurance agent. All the shady third-party health insurance companies were domiciled in TX. There was a reason for it.
This is inter-state commerce, however. It wouldn't be litigated under TX statutes.
I didn't TD you, btw. I'm enjoying the conversation.
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Re: Is the BigXII conference HQ in TX? I'm asking.
May 19, 2012, 7:14 PM
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And I was one of the very first to support going to the Big 12. But that doesn't cloud my thinking to not realize that a move to the Big 12 is very risky.
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Re: Is the BigXII conference HQ in TX? I'm asking.
May 19, 2012, 7:17 PM
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So, where is the BigXII conference office? Do I have to look it up? 
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Irving, TX***
May 19, 2012, 7:19 PM
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Well, TX is a free-for-all, but I stand by my assertion...
May 19, 2012, 7:22 PM
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TX laws wouldn't be at issue in an inter-state commerce case.
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Re: Well, TX is a free-for-all, but I stand by my assertion...
May 19, 2012, 7:25 PM
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Like I said, I am for moving. But I also realize who we are dealing with. That's why it will continue being a conern for me.
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If they turned down the PAC-10 (at the time) once,
May 19, 2012, 7:27 PM
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why would they accept the second time around? I think they hung in with the BigXII because they saw the future. And it's about to become reality.
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Re: If they turned down the PAC-10 (at the time) once,
May 19, 2012, 7:30 PM
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I want you to be right. I just don't know that you are.
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I'm betting CU/FSU would not be all in unless they
May 19, 2012, 8:06 PM
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had assurances that that were the case.
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Re: I'm betting CU/FSU would not be all in unless they
May 19, 2012, 8:11 PM
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I don't doubt that. I'm just unsure about Texas and Oklahoma keeping their word. That's the only thing that concerns. The other concerns raised don't worry me. I just don't trust those guys. I just don't.
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this IS a far-fetched scenario. The Chancellor of UT....
May 19, 2012, 6:34 PM
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along with the other schools in the Big12 have signed a grant of rights for many years (6 I think) which means even if they move to a new conference the Big 12 will own their TV rights. That would be crushingly expensive for even Texas.
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Re: this IS a far-fetched scenario. The Chancellor of UT....
May 19, 2012, 6:36 PM
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And $20 million is expensive for us. Yet, where there is a will, there is a way.
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Re: this IS a far-fetched scenario. The Chancellor of UT....
May 19, 2012, 7:02 PM
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A 20 Million one time fee is do-able, esp when you make more with the new TV Contract. To give up your old contract AND the new contract for over 5 years is not a workable option. Not even for Texas.
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Re: this IS a far-fetched scenario. The Chancellor of UT....
May 19, 2012, 7:22 PM
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I have been for a move from the get-go. Having said that, nothing is unthinkable. I don't trust Texas and Oklahoma. Like I said, where there's a will, there is a way.
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Exactly right...
May 19, 2012, 7:13 PM
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The original grant of rights - which is credited as stabilizing the Big XII - was for 6 years. However, the new ESPN/Fox contract calls for an extension of that until 2025. This should serve as a significant impediment to anyone going anywhere in the Big XII.
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Re: The only thing that concerns me about going to the Big 12.
May 19, 2012, 7:51 PM
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If $$$ is the motivation for moving let us stay put. If all it took were money, ND would win the MNC every year.
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