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All-In [49176]
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I wuz gonna post a long thoughtful post on gun control
Jan 7, 2016, 8:05 PM
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but I hit a wrong key and it got deleted.
So, in summary, I own 4 guns. I don't like Obama. I don't like the NRA. I like the 2nd amendment. I'm for reasonable, workable tightening of gun sales, particularly gun shows and internet. I'm for figuring out a way to navigate privacy vs mental health issues and gun ownership. I acknowledge both of these won't stop all stoopid gun violence, and wouldn't have stopped some of the horrific events in the news the last couple years. But that's no reason to do nothing.
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Re: I wuz gonna post a long thoughtful post on gun control
Jan 7, 2016, 9:05 PM
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Thing is, the forty or so evil people who chose to use guns to get there 15 minutes of fame over the last several decades would have found some method to inflict the horror regardless whether they had access to a gun or not. Can't legislate against evil. Can have a little more accountability but you going to restrict millions of people's rights over what forty something people have done over several decades? We/all need to be more involved in detecting the warning signs of a dangerous person me thinks.
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Re: I wuz gonna post a long thoughtful post on gun control
Jan 7, 2016, 9:34 PM
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1) maybe 2) true 3) maybe, depending on the rules, does it really restrict what millions want to do? Hope not. 4) true
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you cannot close "loophole" without full scale registration
Jan 7, 2016, 9:06 PM
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That is the rub.
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Re: you cannot close "loophole" without full scale registration
Jan 7, 2016, 9:15 PM
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Not sure who it would have stopped if there had been full registration for every last gun on earth for the last fifty years? I understand the feeling the need to do something but the root problem isn't the guns and bullets it the screwed up mfers looking for attention to their "cause".
Pipe bomb, car bomb, chemical bomb, etc. Still got a problem is what I worry about.
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the human heart has contained evil since Cain Slew Abel
Jan 7, 2016, 9:39 PM
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no guns involved.
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which is no real reason against reasonable gun access reform
Jan 7, 2016, 9:57 PM
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I would think a few less murders would happen if a few less people had easy access to guns. I'm not sure how Cain slew Abel, but some murders would not happen without guns.
Again, not that I would want to limit almost all people's access to almost all currently available guns. Or that stupid murders wouldn't still happen with guns anyways. I just think some more tighter regulation would help over time.
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I don't really know, seems like we could do better than now.
Jan 7, 2016, 9:38 PM
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but extreme compliance would be a nightmare. We could figure out a way to tighten up some.
And again, I don't think this solves everything, but makes sense and would help over the long run.
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Dont understand how people against war on drugs dont see it
Jan 7, 2016, 10:04 PM
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take drugs replace it with guns same result. when the market demands it people will find a way. sure it will cost a little more but guns will still be here. Unless you are willing to side with the shut down the border crowd but that makes you racist. just fyi
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Re: And I don't understand
Jan 7, 2016, 10:12 PM
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why nobody is talking about reducing world population. Seems like having about half the number of people would also solve a heap of problems. Ain't no politicians going to touch that one! Oh, wait, are we on the wrong bored?
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"when the market demands it people will find a way. "
Jan 7, 2016, 10:23 PM
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yep. that's true. But that's not a reason not to restrict it to whatever make sense. Young people still kill people driving on the roads, but it's less because we have restrictions on driving. I don't hear outrage about restriction of Constitutioanl rights about that.
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could you point me to the "drivers licence" Amendment***
Jan 7, 2016, 10:26 PM
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there ain't one. Not required to legislate reasonable
Jan 7, 2016, 10:40 PM
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restrictions on driving priviledges.
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Thats the dumbest thing i have ever heard
Jan 7, 2016, 10:38 PM
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You are saying restrict, how do you restrict people from bringing guns in from Mexico. They do same thing with drugs but I bet you say legalize drugs cause they are none violent offenders.
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I thumbed your post up but I'm not sure what you're
Jan 7, 2016, 10:40 PM
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referring to about tightening gun sales "over the internet".
A gun purchase over the internet still has to ship to a FFL (firearms cannot ship directly to buyer), who performs a background check before they release the firearm to you.
Can you elaborate?
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All-In [49176]
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maybe you're right. Not an expert on internet sales.
Jan 7, 2016, 10:50 PM
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dangerous to go by liberal news reports. Just lumped it in with gun show sales because the liberal news did. I'll concede that point to you, no problem.
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Someone mentioned borders in the thread... I was
Jan 8, 2016, 9:34 AM
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waiting in the check out line at a grocery store for a while and noticed to lady getting checked out was pregnant, and non-english speaking. I also noticed that she had a boat load of groceries which she was getting free. The clerk was using a check list with codes to key in to override the cost she would need to pay. Most in that line eventually changed lines to expedite checkout.
I would rather our resources aid Americans... There are plenty of Americans that are struggling to pay bills, and provide for their needs that are not getting the help they deserve and many are white. It's a growing problem, former middle class folks have been unable to secure decent employment and being turned away from many assistance centers.
It may seem inhumane to close our borders and turn away refugees and illegals, but until we can get a grip of our own problems we should proceed with caution. If we can't feed our own citizens, then we shouldn't try to feed the world.
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IDK anything about what you saw but you know all Americans
Jan 8, 2016, 9:57 AM
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aren't english speakers, right?
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Re: IDK anything about what you saw but you know all Americans
Jan 8, 2016, 10:23 AM
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If I lived in Columbia, I'd learn spanish because it makes sense to communicate with the majority of people that live around me.
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Perfectly reasonable thoughts.
Jan 8, 2016, 10:04 AM
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You're doomed.
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