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Every year we have 2-3 games in the regular season
Sep 21, 2014, 5:38 PM
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Where the other team has similar or better talent.
2012:
Auburn: W
FSU: L
USCe: L
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Georgia: W
FSU: L
USCe: L
2014:
Georgia: L
FSU: L
USCe: ?
Dabo has recruited himself away from the competition in the rest of the ACC, but when the chips are down, and coaching matters Clemson is 2-6 over the last 3 years. That, in a word, is disappointing.
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Didn't realize Dabo fumbled the ball last night..
Sep 21, 2014, 5:42 PM
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FIRE DABO.
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Just stating the facts sir
Sep 21, 2014, 5:45 PM
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You can rationalize it however you want.
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No offense man but those comments are pointless...
Sep 21, 2014, 6:15 PM
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Coaches are responsible for who they bring on the team. They recruit, sign, and coach the kids on our roster. They will ALWAYS be held responsible for the kids mistakes.
Dabo stressed the importance of the turnover margin pregame...perhaps they need to access either 1) who gets more carries instead of this carry by committee and 2) decide whether we need to emphasis more ball protection in practice.
Don't know what the answer is, but to say coaches are not at some fault is wrong. Our guys were making a lot of beginner mistakes to have so much talent on our team. Not saying anyone needs to be fired, but they need to take a good long look at why we are making fundamental, costly mistakes on offense. Dabo is fairly good at addressing problems...even if it takes him some time to address it (Spence, Steele, Stoudt...), so we'll all just have to wait and see what the next move is...
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The coaches can "coach" the players. But the players have to
Sep 21, 2014, 7:25 PM
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execute. That is "their" responsibility. Spin it any way you want too. Proud of all the coaches and players last night.
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Nobody is spinning anything. Do the players coach themselves
Sep 21, 2014, 7:54 PM
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on how to properly snap the ball? Or are they born with the innate ability to do so? Do they evaluate the players based off different attributes and who is better in different game time situations? They DO choose the 11 men they chose to put out on the field. Do you think the coaches made the best choice to go with Stoudt this season?
No, the players are not absolved of responsibility...all I'm saying is the coaches aren't completely without blame either. I trusted Dabo when he started Stoudt and thought the coaching staff must be seeing something we aren't. Turns out, most of the grumbling fans that where begging for Watson were right. I'm not sure what the thinking was on the whole QB deal but it is VERY evident Watson gives us the best chance to win. This game is about wins and losses...and hopefully we get more of the former. No one will tolerate the whole 'seniors get a shot.' I like the personnel we have, and would hate for them to jeopardize their coaching positions on loyalty to any one player. That needs to stop ASAP.
As much grief as Slurrier gets on this board, I know for a fact he doesn't do that. He plays the best players, and that equates to wins. I don't agree with the way he handles himself, or some of the things he says...but the results speak for themselves. Anyone denying that needs to remove those orange spectacles or go ahead and revoke your right to complain in the future if no one is allowed do so now...especially after a terrible loss to a crippled FSU squad.
I'm all for winning games we should have won. All this "FSU was number one" is BS. They aren't playing like the number one team WITH Winston and they sure as #### weren't playing like one without him. Excusing our loss away because of a stupid ### ranking is just that...stupid. Great teams find ways to win...but all I'm hearing from some on here are excuses on why we SHOULD have lost. Defeatist can show themselves to the door...I know our Tigers are a great and talented team...and they DESERVED that win.
/end of rant...much of this is not addressed to any one person...TD me if you want. I'm a Tiger through and through and I hurt for the WHOLE team to have to suffer a loss in that fashion.
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Love how you left the V. Tech teams off the list too
Sep 21, 2014, 5:43 PM
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Then your agenda against Dabo would not be as good though.
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V-Tech has been terrible the last 3 years
Sep 21, 2014, 5:44 PM
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In no way do they have similar talent.
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Auburn lost to every SEC team that year..why include them?***
Sep 21, 2014, 6:10 PM
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They still had great talent
Sep 21, 2014, 6:13 PM
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It's not Clemson's fault Cheezdic imploded.
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So you are blaming the head coach for every loss?***
Sep 21, 2014, 6:23 PM
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I'm just stating facts
Sep 21, 2014, 6:33 PM
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That's it, just wins and losses. You can interpret them as you wish.
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The fact is Auburn did NOT have similar or better talent in
Sep 21, 2014, 7:55 PM
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2012. That is why they had a losing season. And that is a fact!
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So they went from not having talent
Sep 21, 2014, 8:03 PM
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To playing in the NC in one season...with most of the same players? Interesting take.
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Does the name Cam Newton ring a bell?***
Sep 22, 2014, 10:26 AM
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VT was in the Sugar Bowl the year we beat them twice
Sep 21, 2014, 7:42 PM
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They had won 10 games for a bunch of years in a row. So I'd say they were equal to or better than us at that point.
Limiting your post to regular season games is also pretty arbitrary. Probably should also include WVU, LSU, and OSU.
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It's not arbitrary at all
Sep 21, 2014, 8:05 PM
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With the new playoff system, the regular season becomes even more important. We have to get some big wins and knock off some good teams. Losing to UGA, FSU, and Scar will land us in the Chicken Sammich bowl now that the major bowls are reserved for the playoff.
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Historically, UGa and FSU have higher ranked classes than
Sep 21, 2014, 5:46 PM
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Clemson, same for Auburn.
Clemson has a slight class ranking average over SCAR over the last 4-5 years, but as much as it pains me to say, they are winning mostly because of SOS.
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Which is why I said, "similar or better talent"***
Sep 21, 2014, 5:47 PM
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And therein lies the disappointment.
Sep 21, 2014, 5:48 PM
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I think Dabo is a great coach and he has gotten us to another level beyond TB. We have tons of talent and recruiting is on fire. We beat the teams we are supposed to beat, we have two consecutive top ten finishes, and a BCS Bowl win under our belts. I do believe the future is bright in that regard.
The next step is to beat our main rivals - FSU and the Coots. We have stalled on that front, and in spite of the other legitimate positives, this is a legitimate concern. Overall, things are good, but we have to get over that hump. We really, really need to beat the coots this year and put an end to that misery, and put an end to that nonsense.
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Closer to beating both with 2013 game in Cooterville and
Sep 21, 2014, 6:03 PM
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2014 game in Tally. Talent is getting better to challenge these 2 thorns.
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Close doesn't count
Sep 21, 2014, 6:04 PM
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You get no credit for losing.
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I guess you want TB back. We'd win that USuC game
Sep 21, 2014, 6:18 PM
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every year but get embarrassed by Wake Forest or Duke. We never got a highlight on Sportscenter and we were dissed at every appearance on the national scens. Now we are playing number 1 and in contention for a win but I guess you want to loses to number 114 and 123.
LOL. We will beat one of the 2 teams you are frustrated about this year.
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Where did I say that?
Sep 21, 2014, 6:20 PM
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Dabo has pushed the team ahed of every team in the ACC other than FSU. I'm disappointed in our teams performance in big games over the last 3 years. That is going to have to be his next step if Clemson really wants to be in the conversation for the playoff.
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All-American [559]
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Regular season big games*
Sep 21, 2014, 6:28 PM
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dont throw out "big games" in general. Not what your beloved original post is about. It doesn't include all "big games"
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Agree on that point. I don't think the gap was what it
Sep 21, 2014, 6:28 PM
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was between us and FSU 3 years ago.
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It's hard to tell though
Sep 21, 2014, 6:34 PM
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FSU was playing without their Heisman winner last night. The offense is built around his skill set. I do think our defense has improved, but if we don't win, it's wasted.
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Yeah they were without him but they still had all of the
Sep 21, 2014, 6:47 PM
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blue chip recruits from the past 4-5 classes where they outrecruited us.
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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How did his not being there hurt their running backs? Our
Sep 21, 2014, 7:30 PM
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defense shut that down, not Winston absence by any stretch of the imagination.
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Easy on the running backs
Sep 21, 2014, 7:56 PM
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We didn't have to worry about Winston running the zone/read. We could pin our ears back and go hard after the RB because we didn't respect the FSU QB passing, and he couldn't run with the ball.
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All-American [559]
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Every year we have 1 game in the post season
Sep 21, 2014, 5:48 PM
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Where the other team has similar or better talent.
2012:
LSU: W
2013:
Ohio State: W
Dabo has recruited himself away from the competition in the rest of the ACC, but when the chips are down, and coaching matters Clemson is 2-0 over the last 2 years. That, in a word, is perfection.
See what I did there? Quit padding your stats to make our head coach look bad. If you don't like the respectable program he is building, go jump onto that bandwagon in Columbia that is winning at all costs.
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Bowl games are a totally different thing
Sep 21, 2014, 5:49 PM
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You get a month to prepare and have a health roster. Which is why I said, "Regular Season".
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Re: Bowl games are a totally different thing
Sep 21, 2014, 5:52 PM
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So take the Georgia game off your list...had over a month to prepare and a healthy roster.
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Except the UGA game is a regular season game
Sep 21, 2014, 5:54 PM
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A game where you really have no idea what your team looks like, because they haven't actually played yet. In a bowl game you have an entire year of tape to help come up with a game plan. I gave them credit for beating Georgia and Auburn. Take those 2 victories away and it looks even worse.
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So when we win another Natty
Sep 21, 2014, 5:56 PM
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do we get to include that game in our good season? Or does it not count because we had a month to prepare for it?
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Still waiting for you to dispute my facts about reg season
Sep 21, 2014, 5:57 PM
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Haven't seen anything yet.
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All-American [559]
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My dispute isnt that your facts about the reg season are off
Sep 21, 2014, 5:59 PM
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My dispute is that you choose selective stats to throw our coaches under the bus.
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How am I "throwing them under the bus"
Sep 21, 2014, 6:01 PM
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2-6 over the last three years is disappointing. I'm willing to be the coaching staff feels the same way. Facts are facts, I'm sorry you don't like them. I don't like them either.
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Re: How am I "throwing them under the bus"
Sep 21, 2014, 6:07 PM
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By implying that bad coaching is the difference maker in that 2-6 record maybe? And if "facts are facts" then we are the best post season football team in all the land for the last 2 years. Who cares about throwing in other relevant facts to get the whole picture.
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If you would like to start a post season thread
Sep 21, 2014, 6:09 PM
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Feel free to do so. Otherwise you're just changing the argument because you don't like the facts.
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Deal***
Sep 21, 2014, 6:13 PM
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How do you spin facts?
Sep 21, 2014, 6:51 PM
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Just curious. Please dispute the facts I have presented.
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Ok here you go.
Sep 21, 2014, 6:59 PM
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1) Making a list and then setting the parameters in a way to support your agenda, thus leaving out crucial aspects. A.K.A. spinning.
2) Saying post season is different than regular season because, and I quote: "You have a month to prepare and are healthier." Yet you say the opening game is different than a bowl game?
3) Also, if your main point is about "ACC Championships > pride" then the OOC games have no bearing whatsoever on an ACC Championship and any OOC games against the likes of UGA or Auburn are nothing more than the "exhibitions" which we had "a month to prepare for and were healthy."
That is how you spin facts, by picking and choosing which ones you want to use.
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Re: Ok here you go.
Sep 21, 2014, 7:03 PM
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4) Also conveniently stopping short of the 2011 ACC Championship season, so I'll add that in, but only the regular season.
Auburn: W
FSU: W
VT: W
USuCk: L
VT: W
That makes him what, 6-7 including this year?
Oh, and I can include the "Post-season" ACC CG because we only had a week or two to prepare so it's not like a bowl game.
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Then you have to add in the bad losses to
Sep 21, 2014, 7:06 PM
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Ga Tech and Nc. State.
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Re: Then you have to add in the bad losses to
Sep 21, 2014, 7:08 PM
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Then we'll add on all the wins against other lesser acc teams and it will show how great our tigers are.
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Nope your parameters were comparable talent wise.
Sep 21, 2014, 7:11 PM
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Sorry those were bad losses but they weren't comparable talent wise so you can't add those in.
Just like I didn't add VT in 2012 because they were garbage that year.
I'm just using the parameters you set to spin and beating you at your own game.
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You're not beating anyone at anything
Sep 21, 2014, 7:15 PM
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but continue to think that.
True or False, Clemson has played poorly in big regular season games over the last three years?
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Re: You're not beating anyone at anything
Sep 21, 2014, 7:18 PM
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Hmm, true of false, well False. Because to do #1 or 2 on your list then you have to win games so every game is a "big regular season game."
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OK, keep beating your chest about beating
Sep 21, 2014, 7:20 PM
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North Carolina and Duke if it makes you feel better. The fact is, other than F.S.U. we play some truly terrible teams in the ACC.
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ok
Sep 21, 2014, 7:05 PM
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1) The regular season puts you in position to play in the post season. It is therefore more important than the post season. If you do not accomplish your regular season goals, you can't play in the games you want in the post season. Now that the BCS is gone, no one is going to be able to back into major bowl without winning big games in the regular season.
2) If the post season and the regular season are the same thing, then why do they have different names?
3) Nope, I would say the list of goals every season is:
1)Win National Championship (need to win that first one to get that done)
2) Win Conference Championship (need to beat FSU to accomplish this.
3) Beat USC
4) Win Bowl game
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Re: ok
Sep 21, 2014, 7:10 PM
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1) My main point was that the opener is similar to a Bowl game when you are playing the likes of a UGA, like you said "month to prepare and are healthy," <- those are your words.
2) Because the post season comes after the regular season, hence the use of "post-." It's still a big football game when you are facing a SEC or prestigious team.
3) If in our goals is to win a bowl game HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU LEAVE IT OUT? THIS CONTRADICTS YOUR WHOLE #### ARGUMENT AND THE PARAMETERS YOU SET TO SPIN THIS TO YOUR ARGUMENT.
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I don't know why you're butt hurt about the opener
Sep 21, 2014, 7:13 PM
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1) Seeing as how Clemson's only 2 major wins are in the opener.
2) But it's different, and how you play in the regular season dictates if you're playing for all the marbles, or just playing for pride.
3) It's 4th on the list. We've missed out on the first 3 things on the list.
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Re: I don't know why you're butt hurt about the opener
Sep 21, 2014, 7:17 PM
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1) Not butt-hurt, it's the matter of you spinning this list to your agenda. And as I showed above we have more wins than just 2 because Dabo didn't start coaching in 2012.
2) Only 2 teams a year play for all the marbles, out of 120 something teams. That is a "goal" of every team, not really appropriate in this situation.
3) We've only missed out on 2 of those things, because as I said, history didn't start against Auburn in 2012.
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Re: Bowl games are a totally different thing
Sep 21, 2014, 6:05 PM
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As both teams get the same extra time to prep and get healthy, I'm not seeing why they should be excluded. The knock against several coaches in the past was that they could not use the time effectively and win bowl games.
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Unless you're playing for something important
Sep 21, 2014, 6:08 PM
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Bowl games are just exhibition games. The goal for this team should be to win the ACC, and then, as the ACC champ, win their bowl game. No one cares about the Chic-Fil-A bowl or a second place ACC Clemson team playing a second place O.S.U. team. They are great wins, but the regular season is far more important. The only way to make bowl games important is winning more in the regular season.
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Every bowl game is played for something important...pride
Sep 21, 2014, 6:10 PM
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If you are a true Clemson fan, then you would care about beating LSU and Ohio State. Those games were huge regular season or not.
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Conference Championships > Pride
Sep 21, 2014, 6:12 PM
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Playing for pride is what people do when there is nothing important to play for. I'm glad we won the last 2 bowl games, but I'm trying to talk about the regular season, because that determines if we are playing for more than "pride" in the post season.
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I care about them as well
Sep 21, 2014, 6:15 PM
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This is a thread about regular season results. Which is why I said, "regular season".
There is a difference between the regular season and the post season, correct?
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Re: totally disagree. Bowl games mean a lot
Sep 21, 2014, 6:16 PM
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Losing too many has put coaches on the hot seat and they put a final stamp on the season. You get National exposure that can help or hurt recruiting. Pretty sure our players don't think they are meaningless.
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Which again, is why I said regular season
Sep 21, 2014, 6:18 PM
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Please feel free to discuss the post season in another thread. There is a difference between the regular season and the post season.
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Re: Which again, is why I said regular season
Sep 21, 2014, 6:41 PM
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Which you are free to do but it appears that several of us don't see that as a valid distinction. Makes for better conversation though than most of the drivel on the board today.
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So there isn't a difference between regular and post season?
Sep 21, 2014, 6:42 PM
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Why do they have different names then? We've done well in bowl games. I'm not disputing that fact. We have struggled in big regular season games. I see most people just avoiding that fact.
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It`s easy to discount great wins and only use loses to
Sep 21, 2014, 5:48 PM
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define our team`s play. But reality is more complex.
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Name a "great" regular season win in the last 3 years
Sep 21, 2014, 5:50 PM
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That I left off the list. If you're going to argue, at least bring some facts to back it up.
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and yet, you bring no facts
Sep 21, 2014, 5:52 PM
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but complain about mine. Makes sense. Show me where I'm being selective. I'm more than happy to listen.
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Re: and yet, you bring no facts
Sep 21, 2014, 5:53 PM
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Again your facts are off haha look a couple posts up...I listed my facts, I just tried to be selective like you.
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What specific regular season games are you talking about?***
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According to Mickey Plyler...
Sep 21, 2014, 5:50 PM
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According to Plyler our players are garbage compared to those teams.
I believe we get out coached normally; however, in the FSU game mental mistakes are what cost us (and bad officiating)
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Re: Every year we have 2-3 games in the regular season
Sep 21, 2014, 5:51 PM
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2 more wins for ohio state and lsu. gets him to almost .500. When our ypung offense catches up w our defense we will be match for USUK and bowl oppenent. DW will mature and be great
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What part of "regular season" is confusing?***
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How can you talk about great games only in the
Sep 21, 2014, 6:07 PM
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regular season?
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Because it's my thread
Sep 21, 2014, 6:09 PM
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and there is a difference between the regular season and the post season.
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O'kay. Explain your agenda.***
Sep 21, 2014, 6:12 PM
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How do facts have an agenda?
Sep 21, 2014, 6:14 PM
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I posted the facts and said it was disappointing. At no point did I say anyone should be fired. If you would like to dispute my facts about the last 3 regular seasons, feel free to do so. I'm more than willing to listen.
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I think discounting some wins as "nothing" is the problem
Sep 21, 2014, 6:24 PM
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here. We have won some games that you see as "nothing" but were important to win during our season. Games like BC or Maryland are good examples from last year. Solid win that teetered one way or another. Not sexy enough for you so you can discount them but still good, solid wins. By not including the post season you also leave out 2 of our biggest wins in almost 20 years-LSU and Ohio State. But hey, it's your original post so you have fun with that.
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Do you feel like Maryland and BC
Sep 21, 2014, 6:26 PM
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Have similar or better talent? I'll hang up and listen.
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No. But they were games that had to be won.
Sep 21, 2014, 6:29 PM
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FSU and USuC are the next step forward.
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Ok, so again, you're not arguing my point
Sep 21, 2014, 6:30 PM
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You're just trying to change the point because you don't like it.
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The point is, the 2 most important games we play every
Sep 21, 2014, 6:22 PM
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year are against FSU (because of conference/playoff implications) and the Coots (because of the rivalry and because of ranking as of late), yet we have stalled in this area.
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Partly true for this year. Still a big game waiting for
Sep 21, 2014, 6:26 PM
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results in November.
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The only games that are outliers are SCar losses
Sep 21, 2014, 6:02 PM
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We increasingly recruit better talent each year. But UGA and FSU get equal or better talent, too. So if you are just comparing who "should" be better for that reason, only SCar is the anomaly. But Spurrier is catching up in talent total, too. I guess it helps when your classes are so big each year.
But some of our struggles are coaching related. Even the meltdowns come back to the coaches. Last night was far from a meltdown. We did not play our best, but we were far from the teams that lost in 2013 and 2012 to FSU or UGA.
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I think SCAR's talent has been better.
Sep 21, 2014, 7:23 PM
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Certainly has been better along the lines
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Re: Every year we have 2-3 games in the regular season
Sep 21, 2014, 6:13 PM
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Dabo is not a head coach he's a wide receiver coach.
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Re: Every year we have 2-3 games in the regular season
Sep 21, 2014, 6:31 PM
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pitiful aint it? we play three games a year that mean anything and we cant get it done. keep celebrating wins over the sad sacks of the conference while fsu plays in the big time world. satisfied pumpers?
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You just named 3 coaches with N.C.'s
Sep 21, 2014, 6:57 PM
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They were able to put it all together, win the big games in the regular season, win their conference championship, and then win their bowl game.
We are 1-3 in those goals.
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Re: Every year we have 2-3 games in the regular season
Sep 21, 2014, 6:37 PM
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Would be interesting to see how other teams have done against similar competition. What it says to me is we are a top 15ish team that is recruiting better but not there yet. Fsu has more talent although the gap has narrowed. Usce is what hurts the most.
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Sorry Man but Facts will get you TDed with this group
Sep 21, 2014, 6:57 PM
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Stick with fantasy and be popular than your wildest dreams
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Pretty sure facts don't get a a TD
Sep 21, 2014, 6:59 PM
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but, pushing a point with a set of incomplete facts might.
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Not an incomplete set of facts
Sep 21, 2014, 7:01 PM
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The regular season is now even more important than before with the new playoff system. To get into the playoff's we are going to have to win the big games in the regular season. Playing in a bowl game while other teams play for it all should not be the goal.
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Facts are that the Redcoats beat the Patriots at
Sep 21, 2014, 7:00 PM
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Camden--2X. What kind of conclusion can you draw from that. The British beat us in all battles? The British had better talent?
I don't know, facts without context are useless sometimes.
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I would say the goal was to win the war
Sep 21, 2014, 7:07 PM
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So I guess it depends on what "the war" is for Clemson.
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This post is a great example of the coot mentality
Sep 21, 2014, 7:06 PM
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"we are better than you because we have won the last 5 games" while fully discounting the last 100 years. So in coot world, your regular season big game facts might paint a reasonable picture of our coaching struggles. But in my world, I like to look at the whole picture to get a conclusion, not just a small sample size.
Why not include 2011 regular season big games into your fact list?
Why not include bowl games?
Oh it doesn't agree with the point your making? Well in that case lets just deny that they are important.
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You're delusional
Sep 21, 2014, 7:10 PM
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They are better than us currently because they have beaten us 5 games in a row. What happened in 1987 is irrelevant to the current situation. They are currently a better program because they continue to beat us on the field, until we change that, you just look like a sore loser, living in the past.
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Interesting
Sep 21, 2014, 7:15 PM
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So you think the coots have a better football program currently than Clemson?
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Yes
Sep 21, 2014, 7:18 PM
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They have beaten us, and for the most part, beaten us going away, the last 5 games we have played. What better comparison in sports is there than what happens on the field?
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O'kay. Then what should Clemson do? What is your
Sep 21, 2014, 7:16 PM
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solution. I know you have been dying to tell us.
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Well personally
Sep 21, 2014, 7:16 PM
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I think we should probably start winning our big regular season games, but that's just me.
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Thanks Captain Obvious!***
Sep 21, 2014, 7:18 PM
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LSU? Ohio State?***
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I think you could add a win in 2012 vs va tech
Sep 21, 2014, 7:09 PM
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The fact that we have better talent than most teams in the ACC is attributed to the coaches as well.
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Which is why I attributed that to the coaches
Sep 21, 2014, 7:10 PM
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Or did you skip over that part?
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You act like recruiting himself away from the rest of the
Sep 21, 2014, 7:18 PM
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Conference is no big deal. We have had coaches who could not achieve that.
Fsu, Georgia and auburn all have better talent. It is my opinion that scar has had better talent as well.
Last night sucked, but I don't think coaching cost us the game.
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No, I don't act like that
Sep 21, 2014, 7:23 PM
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I give him full credit for that. I'm glad he's done that, and I'm glad he is our coach. I'm disappointed that we can't beat seem to win the big games in the regular season recently, which prevents us from achieving several of our goals as a program. If Clemson wants to consider it's self and "elite" program, we need to win those games.
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Until we consistently out recruit FSU, every win against
Sep 21, 2014, 7:26 PM
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Them will be an upset. I believe we have been the underdogs in most all the games you listed including last. Heck Vegas was since giving us 10 points with Winston on the bench
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The fact is
Sep 21, 2014, 7:31 PM
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Geographically speaking, it's tough for us to consistently beat FSU in recruiting. They have Florida as their main recruiting grounds, and we have South Carolina. Clemson does an excellent job of recruiting, but is always going to be at a disadvantage against FSU in recruiting. We're going to have to figure out a way to beat them.
Generally speaking, we out recruit the Coots on a regular basis.
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I don't think we have out recruited the coots. They have
Sep 21, 2014, 7:46 PM
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Gotten the best player in the steps more times than not. Certainly they have out recruited us in the trenches. Look at the number of coots in the nfl
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Other than Clowney
Sep 21, 2014, 7:47 PM
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How many Coots have been taken in the first round?
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Gilmore, Ingram, it's not just about the first round. We
Sep 21, 2014, 7:50 PM
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Have had the skill players. They have had the linemen
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Alston Jeffries should have been 1st round but went 2nd***
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So you're saying they are a better program than Clemson?
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Just trying to figure out where you stand. You're jumping all over the place. Either USC out recruits us and beats us on the field, which in turn, would lead me to believe they are the better program.
Orrrrr, we just collapse in big games and are actually the better program overall.
You seem to be arguing both ways, depending on what I say.
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I think I have been consistent. Scar has been the better
Sep 21, 2014, 8:13 PM
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Program since the arrivals of Spurrier. I don't think you can argue that point. I don't think it will continue once the sob retires or dies, but spurrier is a program changer..at least while he is at the program.
We have lost to scar because they have had the better players.
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Re: Every year we have 2-3 games in the regular season
Sep 22, 2014, 10:47 AM
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Nice to see you only used regular season
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