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Does "non-binary" mean schizophrenic?
May 19, 2021, 8:04 AM
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I just read that someone has announced she is "non-binary", and that means she should be referred to in the plural, for some reason ("they"). That seems very odd.
Can you imagine? TheProdigal is at work, but they isn't happy about it.
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Re: Does "non-binary" mean schizophrenic?
May 19, 2021, 8:09 AM
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It means the person doesn't think they are a man or a woman.
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Is it "they are" or "they is"?***
May 19, 2021, 8:10 AM
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Re: Is it "they are" or "they is"?***
May 19, 2021, 12:15 PM
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They be.
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deranged... Finished it for you. ;~)***
May 20, 2021, 12:48 AM
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And what is xe doing at work today?***
May 19, 2021, 8:09 AM
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Re: Does "non-binary" mean schizophrenic?
May 19, 2021, 8:30 AM
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Here is the problem I have with this.
It is #$^%ing confusing. I have no problem referring to someone by the other pronoun if it makes them happy. If Mike wants to be called Thumbalina and wear a tutu, I'll go with it. It's Thumbalina's life, who the #$$ am I to argue? Have at it, girl.
The problem becomes, when Mike decides that Mike is a complicated gender-binary entity, and now demands to be referred to as "them". Here's where it gets sticky and confusing for the rest of us. Because when somebody says "they are here", and I look up and see one person, I'm like: "huh"? So...where's the other folks? Especially when you're talking airline reservations, seating reservations, any kind of business or room arrangement, that kind of crap matters.
One person is a singular pronoun.
"They" is plural.
In becoming a nonbinary entity they are unnecessarily confusing communication, and communication in this world seems unnecessarily effed enough already. We are having trouble getting along, you might have noticed.
So, I'll go with it, Demi Lovato, but I think this is pretentious and dumb as eff, and they have too many freaking voices in their heads. If they makes me a Neandrathal in my worldview, well, So Be It.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/19/entertainment/demi-lovato-nonbinary-intl-scli/index.html
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I mean, I don't have anything personally against this person
May 19, 2021, 8:35 AM
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(Don't know who she is), but it's obviously nonsense. But I hope she's happy.
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I believe you are likely more capable of understanding it...
May 19, 2021, 8:55 AM
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...then you realize. And to be clear, I mean the use of "they" in the singular sense. You would understand its use in sentences like "everyone knows they would choose to go to Clemson over USC". It's used as a singular reference to individuals with unknown (in the view of the speaker) gender is common and accepted.
It is no stretch to apply the same logic to its use to someone who considers themself to have no defined gender. Language evolves (in fact the strictly plural they is more of a modern construct than you may think), and it's not a hard change to process.
Or, in other words, a person is more capable of using context and adapting their pronoun usage and understanding than they may realize.
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They has long been used in a singular sense
May 19, 2021, 10:01 AM
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When talking about a generic, hypothetical person. This is not like that. This is a specific person.
I can't speak for others, but I'm not saying it's hard to understand. I'm just saying it's silly. The whole idea to "decide" one is not a man or a woman is just silly.
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Yes, "silly" is the best description. Demi Lovato is the
May 19, 2021, 12:02 PM
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celebrity in question. Demi Lovato is a woman, addressed as she or her.
Demi Lovato apparently is attracted to both men and women, and describes her sexuality as very "fluid" based on the People magazine article I just read. More power to her. But she does not become another gender. She's a woman. Your gender isn't based on who or what you're attracted to.
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You read People magazine?
May 19, 2021, 12:28 PM
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Uh, yeeeeaah? What, I'm going to just what Real House Wives
May 19, 2021, 12:41 PM
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and NOT find out what's going on BEHIND THE SCENES!?! Like some IDIOT!?! NOT! THIS! GUY!
Or, to flesh out what Prod was talking about before responding, I Googled "Non Binary Celebrity" and that was one of the first articles that came up.
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I'm not going with it at all.
May 19, 2021, 9:25 AM
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The basic rules of grammar are the only things left holding society together. You blow those up, and it's anarchy man. Screw these pronoun terrorists.
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Re: I'm not going with it at all.
May 19, 2021, 9:29 AM
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This calls for a Shatner moment, I think.
Do these people....not understand...what they are DOING?!?
For the love of GOD, Obed! The pronouns! The pronouns! Singular or plural, but never both! NEVER BOTH! (punches tiger_thom in the face, '50's bar-fight style.)
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Re: Does "non-binary" mean schizophrenic?
May 19, 2021, 8:50 AM
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Well, the futurists proposed another set of pronouns for AI's: "e".
You'd refer a male as a "he", a female as a "she"...and an artificial intelligence - which is neither, and truly sexless - as an "e". Also changes some of the associated words, like instead of "her" or "him" it would be "em", for instance. Instead of "himself", it would be "emself".
It changes things, and it doesn't roll off the tongue readily, but it makes sense, because an artificial intelligence does not have a sex, and would not in fact think like a human being.
We're not really at the stage where using those words is necessary, but you can understand why using those pronouns could enter the English language on an everyday basis could well become commonplace.
But this business with the gender binary stuff...I see zero actual point to it. Yeah, I get that certain people are not comfortable with traditional gender roles and want to announce that to the world, but you don't have to mangle singular/plural pronoun forms to communicate your nonbinary status. Find a better way. You're demanding we change for you, not the other way around.
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I think it's a fleeting trend.
May 19, 2021, 9:00 AM
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The people who are taking it seriously now will be joking about it in five or ten years. It's like how we went from calling black people "black" to calling them "African American" and now we're back to calling them "black", since that was actually fine in the first place.
As far as "demanding we change for you, not the other way around", it's not exactly a tall order. If you demand I refer to you as a cantaloupe, I won't feel put upon.
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Re: I think it's a fleeting trend.
May 19, 2021, 9:17 AM
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I suppose. I still reserve the right to be grumpy about it, because I still think "they" should refer to multiple people, not a single pretentious jackarse insisting I take their identity crisis seriously. It's like: yes, dear, I get it. You do not fit neatly into either a male or a female role...and as a result, you are demanding I make special accommodation for your Special & Unique Snowflake status.
Here's where my Libertarian impulses start kicking in, and my own middle finger starts coming up, since my own credo largely distills down to: eff off already.
(Grump. Mumble.)
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You just naturally used it
May 19, 2021, 9:23 AM
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"not a single pretentious jackarse insisting I take their identity crisis seriously."
I don't fully understand folks who choose to use they as their personal pronouns, and am not claiming you or anyone else should either. For me, I just try to treat it mentally as something that costs me next to nothing, and can show some level kindness to someone else.
But either way, I find most folks instinctively understand the use of the singular they far better than they think they do.
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Coots
May 19, 2021, 8:57 AM
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Somewhat Mangy reply.
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Coots
May 19, 2021, 8:57 AM
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Somewhat Mangy reply.
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No
May 19, 2021, 8:58 AM
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It simply means they do not consider themself one gender or another.
And to point out how easy it is to understand in context the usage of the singular they, you easily understood (though perhaps disagreed with) the first sentence in this post.
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IT would be preferred over They in these cases***
May 19, 2021, 9:05 AM
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To each their own
May 19, 2021, 9:15 AM
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I just don't find it hard to understand someone in context when they use they as a non-gendered singular pronoun.
Again, I'm not arguing that I completely understand choice to use personal non-gendered pronouns, but I don't find them difficult to use, and certainly find their use much less dehumanizing then referring to people as "it".
Heck, I hate when folks refer to my dog as "it", much less use it to refer to a human being.
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IT is no more demeaning than THEY
May 19, 2021, 9:41 AM
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and it sure as hayell is less confusing. It's just a word.....
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Interesting
May 19, 2021, 9:52 AM
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If it's just a word, then why would you be upset over someone choosing their pronoun?
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Because It gets mad at things that are different than It is.***
May 19, 2021, 4:33 PM
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Re: To each their own
May 19, 2021, 11:43 AM
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I'm not arguing that I completely understand choice to use personal non-gendered pronouns, but I don't find them difficult to use,
Me neither. 'Cause I refuse to use them.
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so does science and biology get thrown out for this argument
May 19, 2021, 9:55 AM
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to fit the agenda??
Is there a book on when you can and can't "follow/trust the science"??
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Did she crazy glue her parts closed?***
May 19, 2021, 8:33 PM
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Re: Did she crazy glue her parts closed?***
May 19, 2021, 5:24 PM
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What a stupid question. If she did that she couldn’t have sex with men or women. Or perhaps you were trying to make a joke, in which case it’s hilarious.
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Mental illness of some kind.
May 19, 2021, 2:12 PM
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But we have decided that the proper response to this mental illness is to tell the person the voices in their head are real and they are telling the truth.
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