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Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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Feb 28, 2023, 2:33 PM
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Just curious, because I've not found 1 person that thinks he's innocent yet.
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I think he's every bit as guilty as UNC was . . .***
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Feb 28, 2023, 2:37 PM
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Re: I think he's every bit as guilty as UNC was . . .***
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Feb 28, 2023, 2:52 PM
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There are a few women where I live that think he is innocent. I tried to sell them some marsh land but they didn't have the money. There are also some that think there were multiple shooters. Well, we have one in custody. However, I think it will end in mistrial because of that juror that handed him a box of tissues when he began the imaginary crying. He also has been very, very fidgety in his chair when he was cross examined meaning he was unsure of what was going to be brought before him. I believe he killed at least one of his family members and maybe both. I'm still confused as to why 2 different caliber guns were used. Kind of plays into the 2 shooter theory. His clothes are missing which only points to one thing as well as the missing guns. He can't explain either even though he owned the gubs and wore the clothes. Book and movie on the way. Already on Netflix.
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Re: I think he's every bit as guilty as UNC was . . .***
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Feb 28, 2023, 3:32 PM
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2 guns does play into a 2 shooter theory. Something probably not lost on a lawyer fwiw 😉.
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I think he's too much of a coward to pull the trigger
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Feb 28, 2023, 2:43 PM
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But I think he lured his wife and son there and knows who did pull the trigger. He's clearly a lying, two faced, narcissistic POS.
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I believe he is guilty and likely will be found guilty.
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Feb 28, 2023, 2:45 PM
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I'm not convinced he has been fully proven to be guilty.
Guilty beyond a shadow of doubt? Definitely not.
Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? Maybe.
I was on a case once involving a sex offender being at a residence where he was not supposed to be.
Every juror knew he was there or at least 85% sure. But the evidence against him was all circumstantial and the prosecutor could not prove he was where he was not supposed to be so we let him go.
After all, the burden is on the prosecution.
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Re: I believe he is guilty and likely will be found guilty.
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Feb 28, 2023, 2:50 PM
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That is one thing that I have always wondered...Isn't circumstantial evidence still evidence? It seems like a defense attorney came up with that term and it stuck....Help me out hahaha
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Legend [19611]
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Circumstantial evidence IS evidence and an overwhelming
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Feb 28, 2023, 2:58 PM
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amount of it can lead to a conviction, but it usually takes at least one witness or piece of physical evidence to convict in most murder trials.
The case I was involved in was that there was a hot lawnmower in the yard with a cold glass of iced tea on it when the officers showed up.
And the fact that his listed residency was at a home which had caught fire and was deemed unlivable.
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You mean like the audio and video evidence...
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Feb 28, 2023, 3:10 PM
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of him at the scene of the crime mere minutes before the murders took place?
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Re: You mean like the audio and video evidence...
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Feb 28, 2023, 3:31 PM
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Since when has a coroner's time of death become exact? It seems the prosecutor has it narrowed down to a couple minutes. This made me do some investigation and in 2020 the latest and most accurate time of death method came out and the article said the average accuracy is 45 minutes.
There may be enough circumstantial evidence to convict him. However, the $64,000 question (showing my age), is whether there is one or more juror(s) that have any doubt.
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Re: Circumstantial evidence IS evidence and an overwhelming
Mar 1, 2023, 8:51 AM
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Who told you that? It's really not true at all. But I have had several people who don't have a clue about the law say its all based on circumstantial evidence abd hearsay. That's perfectly fine.
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Re: I believe he is guilty and likely will be found guilty.
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Feb 28, 2023, 3:24 PM
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Interesting. Must have been the facts and circumstances of that case. There are plenty of people in the clink put there solely by circumstantial evidence. Always nice to have direct evidence, but not required for the prosecution to meet their burden.
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Had that happen on jury duty last year
Feb 28, 2023, 4:30 PM
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The ONLY question we were presented with was had the prosecution proved the defendant was chemically impaired while driving. I'd be willing to bet he probably was, but there was no evidence presented to show that he was. The body cam and car camera evidence showed him doing the tests, and quite honestly I couldn't say he was impaired.
Found out after we found him not guilty it was his third DUI and a bunch of stuff got thrown out because of a 10 second cutoff of the bodycam audio.
Still, did my job and honestly hadn't been presented the evidence he was guilty.
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I attended a trial for a guy who was charged with...
Feb 28, 2023, 6:00 PM
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driving uninsured.
He crashed his car (one car accident) and the police charged him with DUI (his 3rd) and driving uninsured. He could not provide proof of insurance and that's because the carrier cancelled his coverage for non-payment of premium several months earlier.
His defense was he never received the cancellation notice, although it was sent to his last know and still current address, so he had claimed that he had no knowledge that he was driving uninsured. The notice was sent regular mail so there was no proof of delivery.
The jury let him walk on the driving uninsured charge. He never attempted to make a collision claim for the car he destroyed in the crash.
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I think he is a compulsive liar...
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Feb 28, 2023, 2:48 PM
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and you can't believe ANYTHING he says.
That said, he had both motive and opportunity but, if by the grace of God, he is found innocent of the murders, he will still spend the remainder of his days in prison because of all his financial crimes, for which there is a mountain of evidence to convict him.
On that basis, at the end of the day, this all seems rather academic.
They couldn't convict Al Capone of murder either, so they got him for income tax evasion. Pick your poison.
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Re: I think he is a compulsive liar...
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Motive? Curious what you think his motive was. I too think he is guilty, but by all accounts, he loved his wife and son, and there was no significant insurance money and financially he would be better off with them living. I don’t think his particular drug addiction would lead to him thinking killing them was a good idea. I would like to know what his motive was.
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lost in all this drama is that the whole family are coots***
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Feb 28, 2023, 2:48 PM
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Re: lost in all this drama is that the whole family are coots***
Feb 28, 2023, 4:35 PM
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stinking coots
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Re: lost in all this drama is that the whole family are coots***
Feb 28, 2023, 5:38 PM
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Didn't ol alex call his son pawpaw?
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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Feb 28, 2023, 2:55 PM
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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Feb 28, 2023, 3:10 PM
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Guilty of the charge of murder, no. I think he is innocent in that. My understanding is he had to pull the trigger to be guilty in this case as it sits right now. I still have crap load of reasonable doubt in this case. It’s also as others have stated, very hard to get a murder charge without some type of hard evidence. Which I don’t think this case has.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Mar 1, 2023, 8:52 AM
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So you're just not very bright, huh?
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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Feb 28, 2023, 3:14 PM
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I've watched a good bit of this the last few days. I haven't seen a single talking head that has said they think Alex is not guilty, but I've seen multiple talking head legal experts say they don't think the jury will find Alex guilty.
Who knows? If the jury foreperson is strong willed and thinks Alex is guilty?, I could see a possible conviction. My take is there are enough loose ends that one or more jurors will vote not guilty.
He seems pretty cocky watching today's testimony.
His story is very implausible to me. Despite his claims of what would turn out to be about 3 minutes on the couch for his nap and despite the TV being on, I do not believe he couldn't hear 2 shotgun blasts and multiple rifle shots from a little over 350 yds.
I absolutely believe he was there and was involved with or without an accomplice. The man lied about his lie of not being at the kennels. He immediately lied to the first responding officer on the scene, not for the reasons he gave later about his lie.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Feb 28, 2023, 8:10 PM
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I have neighbors about 350 - 400 yards to the East, NE and SW that shoot all the time. When I'm outside I know whether they are shooting pistols or rifles and occassionally some kind of AR/AK rifle. However, when I'm inside, I hear nothing with the TV on, AC running in the summer or the heat running in the winter.
Even when I'm outside, the wind direction makes a big difference how loud their shots sound.
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Objection! Hearsay!***
Mar 1, 2023, 11:39 AM
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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Feb 28, 2023, 3:35 PM
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Guilty, yes. But I am not convinced he pulled the trigger(s) or acted alone.
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I think he probably did it.
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Feb 28, 2023, 3:37 PM
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But if I were a juror, I would vote not guilty. I have reasonable doubt. No blood or DNA evidence to link him to the murders. No murder weapon. All circumstantial.
The testimony about the shooter being short if the pathologist’s theory is correct, coupled with the defense’s witness theorizing that the shooter would’ve been badly wounded with lots of blood and brain matter on him, was valuable testimony in my opinion.
I’m not convinced that the shooter acted alone. More reasonable doubt.
I have no doubt that Alex Murdaugh is a bad person, but it’s a big jump to go from stealing money to murdering his wife and son.
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Re: I think he probably did it.
Feb 28, 2023, 3:59 PM
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I would vote guilty simply because he deserves it.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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Feb 28, 2023, 3:40 PM
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He is guilty as the day is long. His son (Paul) and mine went to the same high school and graduated together.
I heard a few rumors, but had no idea until the Beach girl turned up dead just how dirty he was.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Feb 28, 2023, 5:41 PM
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I watched part of the Netflix deal, do you think they killed that kid they found in the middle of the road?
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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I watched part of the Netflix deal, do you think they killed that kid they found in the middle of the road?
I think Buster and his friends killed that kid in the street. No evidence he was hit by a car and it was mentioned they pulled up on him after the boy had called Buster to give him a hand. May be circumstantial but common sense has to come into play at some point.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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Feb 28, 2023, 3:54 PM
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I think he is guilty. I also think the prosecution is doing a poor job of proving it. I am not totally convinced he was the only shooter.
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Coots gonna coot! Low class SOBs!***
Feb 28, 2023, 4:09 PM
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I believe he is guilty as homemade sin.
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Feb 28, 2023, 4:15 PM
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But, only one person on the jury has to say he is innocent and hold to that to create a 'hung jury'.
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I believe there will be a hung jury***
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For some reason I believe a hung jury may be better for
Feb 28, 2023, 4:21 PM
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the prosecution after this trial.
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Re: I won’t be surprised if he’s acquitted.***
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I would be absolutely shocked at an acquittal. I think that's the least likely outcome for 12 people to find Murdaugh not guilty.
I suspect it will be a hung jury with most favoring guilty, but one or two staying with not guilty.
I even think a guilty verdict is more likely than an acquittal, but who really knows? I don't know a soul on that jury.Just so thankful I didn't have to be a juror on this case. The tediousness and focus on seemingly extraneous issues has been rather impressive.
This has been a primer on the destructiveness of the evil feral hog.
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me personally i think the state has proved beyond
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a reasonable doubt...but for some others i could understand if they would be on the fence..the dude is guilty as sin but i dont think id be mad if it was a hung jury or acquittal...its splitting hairs on a guilty vs not guilty verdict when everything is circumstantial...for me he was at the kennels just minutes before they were murdered he was the only one who could have done it..and he was way to clean for a guy who claimed he checked on them.
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Jury will
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Feb 28, 2023, 5:15 PM
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hang. At least one doubter will emerge based on "flimsy" circumstantial evidence. In other words without an eyewitness, including the modern eyewitness of physical evidence, can't convict of murder. Watch and see. I know people too well, and out of 12, at least one will hold out.
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did not age well
Mar 2, 2023, 7:53 PM
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know people too well, and out of 12, at least one will hold out.
might want to re-think that one
less than 3 hour deliberation... they had no doubts
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GUILTY...I've been following this thing for years and have
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Feb 28, 2023, 5:19 PM
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kept up with the trial. I'd vote guilty in a heartbeat if I was on the jury; however, I do believe that it will be a hung jury.
The state has done a tremendous job with what they have. Both murder weapons match two of the favorite Murdaugh weapons...although one of the blackout rifles is missing. Why did he lie numerous times about being at the kennels just minutes before Mags and Paul Paul were murdered? He is a total POS.
This trial, Mallory Beach's death & the subsequent investigation, the death of Gloria Satterfield, the death of Steven Smith, and not to mention the 100 year reign of the Murdaugh's has definitely exposed SC's good ol' boy system.
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I think he probably committed one or both murders, or
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Feb 28, 2023, 5:34 PM
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paid somebody else to do it. The prosecution's case proved beyond all doubt that he is a morally bankrupt, lying, deceiving, theiving sack of ####. He has pretty much admitted it himself. That makes it not only easy to hate him, but also easy to believe that he is perfectly capable of murdering his family. Prosecution provided some good evidence to show that he was deceptive and not totally forthcoming about what he told investigators after the murders. They also presented good evidence that showed he had motive and opportunity. They did a decent job of showing how unlikely it is that anybody else did it. They did not do a great job, in my opinion, of providing hard physical evidence that proves that he did it.
I thought he and his defense did an excellent job of making their case: Sure, our client is a corrupt, steaming pile of dung, but that does NOT mean he murdered his family, and don't let the prosecution trick you into thinking it does. In fact, in spite of his moral and ethical flaws, he still loved his family very much. Make the prosecution prove MURDER beyond all reasonable doubt, with hard evidence.
Therefore, I think most or all jurors will believe he is gulity. However, I think the posibillity of a couple of jurors having reasonable doubt is very possible as well.
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Heard a podcast with Mark Geragos and Dr. Drew Pinsky. They
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both were inclined to think that Murdaugh's drug dealer did it, and Murdaugh is fearful for his remaining son's life (and his own.)
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Re: Heard a podcast with Mark Geragos and Dr. Drew Pinsky. They
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Why did he express no concern about his or Buster's safety after the murders? This is per Maggies sister's testimony. He didn't even call and check on Buster that night until after he had called Rogan - like 30 minutes or so after he found Maggie and Paul dead. He's guilty.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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Feb 28, 2023, 6:18 PM
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Quilty and at least quilty hiring someone to kill his family. He is a narcissist and shows no remorse..
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Feb 28, 2023, 8:28 PM
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This cat is guilty AF. No doubt in my mind. Either did it or hired someone. Either way he’s guilty of these murders. I’ve watched so many crime shows since they are so interesting to me and family members will always state there is no way my brother/sister/ father etc is capable of committing murder. I believe anyone is capable of doing anything given the right situation. Desperation can make you do things you would have never considered before. This cat was in a desperate situation and being cornered.
He may have loved his family but apparently his drugs, money and social standing were more important. I wouldn’t put anything past this cat. He will not be acquitted and likely won’t be found guilty unfortunately. Hung jury is the most likely outcome. The fact that he immediately lied about being at the kennels that night is a dead giveaway. No reason to do that unless he was in fact there at the time of the murders.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Feb 28, 2023, 8:32 PM
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If he didn't pull the trigger, he knows who did!***
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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My guess is a few of the payees on the jury will find him not guilty.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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Today I was ecstatic when I saw Dr Kinseys testimony and how precise and detailed it was as a chief CSI and then he said he went to Clemson and I was like you go my dude! Then #### Harpootlian said that he also went to Clemson as an undergraduate and now I’m questioning everything that I know to be true about this case. By the way, Ellick lied about the kennels and he lied about where he was in the three min window of the murder and pretty much everything before and after… he’s guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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I also have a hard time believing that some random vigilante shows up to the crime scene minutes after he left the kennels and he/she grabbed the very rifle that had frequented the estate as evidence of casing marks found at the home, rifle range and kennels. They moved paw paws phone and placed it on his back pocket (was vigilante looking for the stolen opioids?) then started walking around with Mags phone after she succumbed to the shots. Ellick didn’t realize that Mags had left her phone in the cup holder of the golf cart until he made it almost back to the house….. the plot thickens.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Mar 1, 2023, 7:43 AM
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I know. How lucky for the vigilante!It's sorta like an Arab finding a knife and a Jew to kill in an alley in Belfast. Possible yes, probable, not at all.
Furthermore, I've never seen anyone lie and cry profusely after their loved ones were killed by an unknown assailant. "He couldn't have done it," said Susan Smith
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Mar 1, 2023, 8:14 AM
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Yes. He was there at time of murder. He erased phone history. He had close to 40 minutes to clean up. Clothes he wore never found. Guns never found but the shells used to murder match shells found on property when Paul and his friend tried out new scope in recent past. Hosed himself off and put hose back up - not like it was hung by kennel worker @4. He buried clothes, shoes and weapons. Dogs were out time of murder. He admitted he was only one could handle “Bubba” wife’s dog. Dogs in pen when law enforcement arrived. Motive? Evil. Pure evil. Clemson men were noticeably different than others in conduct. Mark Tinsley, Dr. Kinsey from O’burg sheriff and Creighton Waters. Hope verdict is returned in record time.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Mar 1, 2023, 8:31 AM
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Harpootlian unfortunately is a Clemson alum.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Mar 1, 2023, 11:45 AM
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Absolutely. At what point does a mountain of “coincidences and parallels” become the exhibits of the murderer? The only thing we don’t have is ole Al Al firing the guns on camera.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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Mar 1, 2023, 8:36 AM
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He has been proven to be there.
If not him who are we looking for?
Man with his issues is capable of doing the unthinkable. Believe it will be a hung jury but I feel he thought him doing it would help him on his other issues. Makes no sense to me at all.
The whole way he acted the night of the boating accident was terrible and to try to pin it on someone else when the other 4 all said Paw Paw was driving is just another lie. The man had so many lies to keep covered up I get why he had to resort to drugs. Should have turned that gun on himself and left Paw Paw and his wife alone.
Also find it really strange that we have 5 people dead in a matter of years with each one having been connected in some way to the Murdaugh’s.
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If an abundance of mysterious deaths or murders and a connection to a prominent family
Mar 1, 2023, 11:56 AM
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is the standard? Well....
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Re: If an abundance of mysterious deaths or murders and a connection to a prominent family
Mar 1, 2023, 12:47 PM
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He definitely made the wrong call for somebody to shoot him. He should have gotten some old family cohorts from the Black Creek area that would have done the job correctly and saved a whole lot of money.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Mar 1, 2023, 1:10 PM
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He's as guilty as OJ was, but probably will get off unfortunately
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The prosecution could only dream of the amount of physical evidence connecting OJ to his murders***
Mar 1, 2023, 2:54 PM
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OJ would have been toast
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Mar 1, 2023, 3:01 PM
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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Mar 1, 2023, 1:57 PM
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Nobody I know. As far as the two shooter theory, forget about it. I personally knew a man who killed two men. Used a rifle for one and pistol for the other minutes apart. For AM maybe an issue of needing to reload quickly, Maggie was bigger than Paul thus needing more power, or simply to make people think it was two shooters. Like AM said, “whoever did this had been planning it for a long time.” Guilty, guilty, guilty.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
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Mar 1, 2023, 2:06 PM
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Guilty. There's only one reason to repeatedly lie to law enforcement, friends and family about the last time you saw your murdered spouse and child alive, to hide your guilt.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Mar 1, 2023, 2:11 PM
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I haven't really been watching this religious. But from what I have seen and read, yeah. He was one great actor when the cops showed up. And when you're up to your eyeballs in debt.
Didn't this guy know that rich folks get away with murder?
Bad joke.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Mar 1, 2023, 2:12 PM
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I haven't really been watching this religious. But from what I have seen and read, yeah. He was one great actor when the cops showed up. And when you're up to your eyeballs in debt.
Didn't this guy know that rich folks get away with murder?
Bad joke.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Mar 1, 2023, 7:02 PM
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“I would never intentionally do anything to hurt either one of them.” Just another lie.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Mar 1, 2023, 7:05 PM
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I think he was there but, he didn’t pull the trigger. I think there was someone else involved
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Mar 3, 2023, 7:57 AM
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I think he is guilty
I also did not find the prosecutions case very compelling and seemed like a shoddy investigation / amateur hour
defense screwed up a bunch as well
Alex reliance on the old guard and good ole boy system plus taking the stand screwed him
He should have got some hungry, young up and coming defenders and stayed off the stand
I would have gone with the majority opinion in the deliberation room if i was on the wrong side of things - would have had zero conviction either way
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Apr 13, 2023, 4:25 AM
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There’s no way he’s guilty of these crimes.
1: If you shoot 2 people with 2 different weapons, you are going to be littered with physical evidence. Powder burns ETC. He stole a bunch of money from very powerful people and he was obviously set up by them mafia style. He was convicted because the money. I don’t believe that this case is over by a long shot. He knows who killed his wife and son.
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Re: Does anyone think that Alex Murdaugh is not guilty?
Apr 13, 2023, 5:57 AM
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The guy needs to wash his hands after shooting his guns. Especially when it's used to kill.... Big dummy.
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