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Dabo is NOT Danny ...
Dec 27, 2012, 6:46 PM
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... but Dabo's win total is almost the same as Danny's was at similar points in their careers ... and, I'm sorry but this needs to be said ... Clemson has not been in any NCAA hot water during the time that Dabo has been winning all those games.
Now we can debate forever, whether Danny was culpable in the probation that hit Clemson just after he took over as HC and won the MNC, but there can be no valid debate that the probation was the direct result of the violations uncovered when Charly Pell was our coach and Danny was his top assistant.
Clemson won a heck of a lot of games between 1979 and 1983 ... no denying that fact. But, in 1984, with a ton of talent still around, we lost 4 games and lost 6 the next year when most of that talent left. Thn we gathered momentum again and by 1987, we were back on track winning big and recruiting well ... but, dang if the NCAA didn't come calling again, culminating in the forced ouster of Danny Ford ... a black day in the history of Clemson athletics for sure, and we can certainly debate ad nauseum the justification or lack thereof, for forcing him out.
But please do not ignore the fact during all that winning in the 1980s, the NCAA was on our backs twice and might (I say might) have come back again if Danny had not been let go.
Now we have another guy at the helm who is definitely NOT Danny Ford. He's not now, and he probably never will be, but he's winning a LOT of games for Clemson and he's doing it with absolutely no help from illegal recruiting tactics, which makes it just a little bit harder to accomplish in the short and the long term.
Clemson may never win another MNC ... heck, just winning bowl games and beating our arch rival is providing enough of a challenge.
But, we're not taking any short cuts. We're running a clean program that not only recruits highly talented players of good character, but graduates most of them as well.
I probably should have waited until after the bowl game to come out with this because there is a really good chance that Dabo gets another "L" next week, but it would be easy to write this after a big win over an SEC power ... I prefer to do it now, because I think what I'm saying is correct and I really believe the "Dabo is not Danny" issue is just plain tired and worn out.
So there ... bust my chops, kill my pulse, bury me in thumbs-down, whatever. But, in the end, recognize the good thigs we have going at Clemson right now and how they are being accomplished.
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Re: Dabo is NOT Danny ...
Dec 27, 2012, 7:04 PM
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I agree, i have been around for both... Danny and Dabo..and lots in between,, Danny was a great coach in the 80s... he did well and won... Bear Bryant was also... but they both came from that day when 100 dollars passed to a player was expected....and done.. in 2012...its a 100,000 ,,, harder to hide and harder to get away with ... I say we have a man that will succeed here for a long time...ask your Auburn buddies if the national title was worth the 3 and 9 they just had.. id bet they say no..
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Good points. Also
Dec 27, 2012, 7:21 PM
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A lot of the NCAA issues were due to alumni problems. A few in particular who help screw us in basketball under Tate's Locke were instrumental in improper activities with football.
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Personally, I don't view Dabo as an upgrade from
Dec 27, 2012, 7:30 PM
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Bowden, so don't even begin the Danny comparisons.
Tommy's teams may have had a bad loss from time to time, but the ACC was also much better during his tenure. VT, GT, Miami and Wake were all pretty decent. Maryland and NC State had their moments.
Dabo's competition -- outside of FSU, which has improved -- has worsened in the ACC. His win total is inflated largely as a result of the state of the conference. He's a good cheerleader, nice spokesman, but the brains on that team is Morris until he comes up against a decent defense.
If Dabo had kept Koenning, combined with Morris, then maybe Dabo's teams would generally be better than Bowden's teams. But I've been pretty underwhelmed with Dabo, and as a coot, I like outcome of the rivalry game with him at the helm.
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Orange Blooded [2507]
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And I personally couldn't care less what a coot thinks
Dec 27, 2012, 7:40 PM
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Go back to your own board and worry about your own coach that has one of the lowest student athlete graduation rates, has gotten you in trouble with the NCAA, cares nothing for your school or players but only himself, and has had more player arrests in the last few years as most programs do in a few decades.
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Orange Blooded [3599]
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You need to take all that to the Rivalry Board.
Dec 27, 2012, 7:45 PM
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This board is for Clemson discussion. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Dabo is NOT Danny ...
Dec 27, 2012, 7:36 PM
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Aside from all the stats and accolades, I think people miss Danny's "brand" of football. A great portion of the fanbase wants to see teams with great defenses and hardnosed linemen that opponents flat out fear.
We don't have that right now. As good as we are, no one is intimidated by Clemson, and they haven't been in years.
Being in the top 15 and winning 10 games in the ACC is great and all. But no one is ever going to be truly satisfied until we get back to that hard-hitting, smashmouth brand of Clemson football that Danny Ford set the standard with in the '80s.
The NCAA stuff is just diverting the issue - Danny Ford knew how to put a mentally tough and physically imposing team on the field...something Dabo has yet to prove he can do.
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diont think Danny had to deal with the ARB either***
Dec 27, 2012, 7:39 PM
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Well said, and we do have a lot of good things going on at
Dec 27, 2012, 7:40 PM
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Clemson now. The truth is, as great as the eighties was for Clemson football (it was pretty sweet), it wasn't quite as good then as it seems to many of us now when we look back. It's also true that the program today is not a bad as some make it out to be.
I loved Danny Ford - he was a perfect fit for Clemson, at that time, and he is a deserving legend in my mind. He deserves, without question, a spot in the Ring Of Honor and any other Clemson accolade he is eligible for.
I also like Dabo, and think he has done a lot of good for Clemson. I think he is a man of extremely high character and I think he possesses the qualities of a leader and a winner. i am desperately pulling for him to succeed.
The ONLY "problem", if you will, with Dabo is that he has yet to beat really good, highly ranked teams (based on end of season/final rankings) or finish ranked in the top 10. He lacks the signature, big-time win against a big-time opponent or strong, end of season finish. He still needs to get over that hump to began solidifying his legacy. If he can't do it, he will always be the good, likable guy who couldn't quite get it done.
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I was a Danny supporter until the day he left.....
Dec 27, 2012, 7:44 PM
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..and I understand the point that many make here that Danny wasn't included and/or named in any of the NCAA violations. But he needed to find a way to stop or control those (that he could) who were breaking the rules. Had he been able to do that, then in my opinion, the sky was the limit for Clemson FB. Who knows where we might be now?
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Re: Dabo is NOT Danny ...
Dec 27, 2012, 7:49 PM
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a little off topic in my reply . . but Maryland's coach from the 80s died a couple days ago. And in the Baltimore paper, they referred top Maryland owning the ACC under his tenure, in the mid 80s. Well yeah Maryland was decent, but they won the titles because Clemson wasn't eligible for the title ( which is where this thought comes from ). It burns me inside any time I hear a reference to the 80s when Maryland had the best team in the ACC.
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I think md may have won two outright and two more by default***
Dec 27, 2012, 8:17 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Good post
Dec 27, 2012, 8:06 PM
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Wanted to add for reference.
College football today is so much different than 70's and 80's. So many programs broke and bent ncaa rules during Danny's years. Any school with a successful football program was doing it. This is in no way meant to defend Danny or Charlie of any wrongdoings.
Clyde Wrenn was the recruiting coordinator for Danny Ford. He held a similar position for Lou Holtz in Columbia. He "was" on Johnson's staff at Southern Miss. ncaa probs seem to follow Clyde.
In the acc (and other conferences), we are not on a level playing field with the sec. The ncaa must address the oversigning and academic requirements (not just to enroll, but throughout their college careers).
Dabo is NOT Danny. If he wins a national championship he would be greater. He would have done it against greater odds.
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Amen! Danny Ford will always be
Dec 27, 2012, 8:47 PM
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loved by Tiger fans for what he accomplished when he was here. He's long gone. Dabo's our guy and has done more than most of thought he would do. Hey, Danny is 100% a Dabo guy. So should we all be.
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