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How would you fix NIL
Nov 30, 2023, 10:34 AM
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As much as I hate what the portal and NIL has done to college football, its here to stay and it is what it is. To me a way to stop this is by letting the school, (in our case IPTAY) pay for the players. Schools will have a cap , just like the NFL. TEX AM can pay jimbo $76 million to not coach but expect fans to pay for players??? It just doesn't make since. If the cap is say $6 million for every school and the coach wants to spend $3 million on a QB that's fine but now you only have $3 million left for the rest of the roster.
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I'd start by scrapping the ncaa and installing a governing body that had
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Nov 30, 2023, 10:36 AM
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some balls and wasn't afraid to make tough decisions and stick to their guns.
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Re: I'd start by scrapping the ncaa - But when the Supreme Court shoots down
Nov 30, 2023, 10:46 AM
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those decisions, you are still in the same sinking boat.
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Re: How would you fix NIL
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Nov 30, 2023, 10:36 AM
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It also must be a contract for 3-5 years (so the player can’t portal out to the highest bidder next year).
Maybe let them out of the head coach is fired or takes new job
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CU Medallion [51559]
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Make them employees of the athletic department.***
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Nov 30, 2023, 10:36 AM
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110%er [7168]
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they should have somehow tied it to graduation
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Nov 30, 2023, 10:37 AM
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but they didn't, and the genies out of the bottle.
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Orange Blooded [2368]
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Salary cap and reinstate needing to sit
Nov 30, 2023, 10:40 AM
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Out a year if you transfer before graduating.
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CU Medallion [64593]
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Regulate it to get rid of the Wild West mentality...
Nov 30, 2023, 10:42 AM
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Limit the total amount each school can pay per year. The amount is the same for every school. Schools then have to option of how to allocate it (give it all to one player or divide it equally among all 85 scholarship athletes). All of the money goes into a trust fund until graduation. You transfer or leave early without graduating, you leave with ZERO NIL money.
Of course, that will never happen now because doing so would result in countless tortious interference lawsuits.
Then, go back to the old transfer policy (i.e., five years to play four and if you transfer, for whatever reason, you sit out one year before being eligible to play).
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110%er [6914]
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First, you dont get squat until actually enrolled at a school. Cant be part
Nov 30, 2023, 10:44 AM
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of the visit/ recruitment process. Second, Anyone caught tampering is not eligible for anything for a year after being caught. Just some initial ideas.
Need HARD ### enforcement oversight!
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110%er [7538]
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Re: First, you dont get squat until actually enrolled at a school. Cant be part
Nov 30, 2023, 11:47 AM
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The colleges paying HS kids has to stop. The kid in Georgia who said he gets a check every month from FSU and isn't even committed there yet is exactly not what the NIL was intended to do.
The blatant buying (tampering) with players in other programs is not what the NIL intended to do. At least the NFL stayed out of college football and has salary caps. The college world is limitless at this point.
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Re: How would you fix NIL
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Nov 30, 2023, 10:45 AM
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A recruit signs a 4 year contract with the team to which he commits. The university pays for all costs associated with his education and being a team member. He can only be terminated from the team for committing acts of criminality, conduct which would be detrimental to the team or university and violation of team rules. He is free to pursue NIL only as a member of the team to which he is under contract. If he violates the contract, he must repay the university for all expenses paid on his behalf as a student and player.
The suggestions above can be tweaked, but the bottom line is that the player must make a binding 4 year commitment and pay a penalty if he breaks that commitment. It appears that college FB has now become a big business. Deal with it as such.
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Re: How would you fix NIL
Nov 30, 2023, 10:48 AM
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A couple ideas:
1) Add back in the rule that you have to sit a year to transfer, unless you are a graduate. There would be a lot less tampering if you have to wait a year to get said player, in addition to players not wanting to waste a year sitting out and not playing.
2) Keep portal rules as is, and change NIL so that teams can pay players from their own budgets and not have to rely on outside collectives. Setup a tiered scholarship, where teams are allowed X number of Tier 1 scholarships which are set at a certain dollar amount, Y number of Tier 2 scholarships which are set at a certain dollar amount and Z number of Tier 3 scholarships which are set at a certain dollar amount. This would help with competitive balance, teams can budget their roster, and could help teams reward high performers by promoting them to new scholarship levels, and demoting poorer performers. If Team A regards you as a Tier 1, and your current team regards you as a Tier 2, then it probably makes sense that the player transfers to Team A.
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Orange Blooded [3600]
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Re: How would you fix NIL
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Nov 30, 2023, 10:48 AM
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Cap it at a reasonable rate per player so most schools would be on an even footing with recruitment.
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All-In [40100]
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in arbitrary ceiling doesn't do anything in my opinion in the long run
Nov 30, 2023, 10:49 AM
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It is an expectation then and people will be fighting to push that up, then there will be underhanded ways of offering other benefits just like they did when it wasn't legal. I think sitting out a year if not graduated is a good option. I think whoever said it is right to have an organization that can actually do something and has the balls to do so if they have the right to do something. One of the dumbest things about the whole deal is the people that pay the money for supposedly advertising or whatever. They are really just trying to buy a NC. Most of them aren't getting any sort of improved sales etc because they do the NIL. And I think I've heard not a tax benefit so what is the goal of this? It is purely to try to buy a championship in my opinion. And how stupid do you look when you pay Texas A and M players that much and then they don't succeed or they are gone in a year or two. If people are dumb enough to spend their money like that I guess they have the right to.
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Re: How would you fix NIL
Nov 30, 2023, 10:51 AM
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Sadly the only answer at this point is to make players student employees and set a cap based on revenue sharing. Pay for play NIL has to be eliminated by enforcement and currently without paying players the Supreme Court has not shown it will allow the NCAA to place restrictions on NIL. Employee contracts would also allow restrictions on tampering and transfers. It is sad the best possible outcome might be the same thing we were trying to avoid from the beginning.
The difficult part is that the closer we get to a revenue split for football/basketball the bigger impact it has on the other sports. Clemson currently gives out 19M in scholarships. If revenue generating sports are able to pay players then who pays for the rest of the scholarships. At what point does someone stand up for the well being of college athletes collectively and not just those who provide entertainment revenue.
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Orange Blooded [2459]
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Contracts at this point is all you can do - they want money - contract employees
Nov 30, 2023, 10:53 AM
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with buyouts just like coaches etc.
And if you don't want the rich to continue to buy all the players the conferences should put in salary caps just like the NFL.
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Salary caps are unconstitutional without collective bargaining
Nov 30, 2023, 11:31 AM
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so there will need to be a players' union before that can happen.
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Re: How would you fix NIL
Nov 30, 2023, 10:54 AM
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Contracts if they wanna be like coaches so bad let’s make them like coaches
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Re: How would you fix NIL
Nov 30, 2023, 10:56 AM
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I agree. They get 100% of the benefit, with 0% of the risk. Just to cash a big check, decide they don't want to play, then bolt for another check somewhere else.
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Re: How would you fix NIL
Nov 30, 2023, 11:11 AM
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put a cap on the amount a player can receive and if they transfer before graduating they have to pay it back.
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Re: How would you fix NIL
Nov 30, 2023, 11:15 AM
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When the NCAA loses its on-going lawsuit with players seeking $1.4B which is tripled to $4.3B the NIL will be the least of their worries. The players may also be considered university employees, unionize and seek a health fund trust or workman's compensation as well as revenue sharing like in pro sports. College football and athletics are screwed. Oh, the Congress has been asked to help too by the NCAA! lol The California court judge does not accept the amateur athletes argument given NIL now. The NCAA has lost every case so far going back to 1984's Supreme Court decision that the NCAA was restricting interstate commerce by determining TV contracts and appearances. That led to conferences doing it. Then Ed Bannon won NIL, so no more NCAA football on Sega or Play stations! Players got money from that too! Now the next step is to become employees and unionize! This business model is likely to crush many schools especially Clemson. Show me the money!
P.S. Lawyers in Love- Sharks do not attack lawyers out of professional courtesy!
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Letterman [278]
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Re: How would you fix NIL
Nov 30, 2023, 11:28 AM
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The NCAA weak argument is amateurism. The Courts do not recognize it anymore like in 1984. The college and universities could threaten to eliminate sports but it's a hollow threat. The schools have too much debt and need the money to pay it. No sports, no money from IPTAY or collective or TV.
It will be the same 10-15 teams winning every year.
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Re: How would you fix NIL
Nov 30, 2023, 11:18 AM
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Remove the requirement for players to be enrolled at the schools. 90% are only getting token educational treatment anyway. That way you have schools hosting semi pro football teams and transparency can be applied.
I would say remove the age limit for the NFL but that will no longer work. There is already too much money flying around at the college level so leaving for the NFL becomes unattractive.
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Orange Blooded [4600]
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Re: How would you fix NIL
Nov 30, 2023, 11:52 AM
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NFL and NBA are not going to remove their age limits. The age limits are strongly supported by the players unions, collectively bargained to protect the jobs of the players already in the league.
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Re: How would you fix NIL
Nov 30, 2023, 11:55 AM
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My personal opinion is the schools have to get out of the middle of the road. Meaning, they have to go back to a model of pure students playing sports or form an antitrust league with the same entities of the major professional sports leagues.
Trying to straddle the fence is why they are in this mess to begin with.
I'm 100% in favor of the players being compensated what they are worth. I'd rather see a model where there is a scale of repayment of the scholarship element based on finishing a degree and remaining in good academic standing that is equal across all institutions. I'm fine with a one time transfer under these rules but there would be zero hardship exceptions.
The thing I am absolutely against is the state supported institutions passing the expense of operating sports on to everyday students and tax payers. I'm not 100% certain how to police that but it absolutely should not happen in this future model. We have to get education costs under control. We are crippling today's students and making education unobtainable for too many.
I don't think there is viability in a completely disconnected sports body where the athletes do not attend the schools and just participate under the banners. How much support would you funnel, both monetarily and spirit, to a Clemson football team in this situation?
I don't have all the answers. I know what is going on now is broken for everyone involved. It's leading to the NCAA disbanding, many schools eventually pulling the plug because they can't compete and thousands of athletes without the college degree they will absolutely need and bodies broken without long-term healthcare. It is untenable for all involved.
And saying all of that, I still love it and want nothing but success for the Tigers.
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Re: How would you fix NIL
Nov 30, 2023, 12:09 PM
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By capping it. Every team only has X amount and if they’re caught going over it they lose post season rights.
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I think it will work itself out...
Nov 30, 2023, 12:10 PM
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The big schools will dominate as always, but there will always be Cinderella stories and programs that develop and compete every 3 to 4 years. This system is actually more like an open market system as opposed to the socialist system that is the NFL.
It will be different on the surface for a lot of people but deep down its really not any different than it always has been. There are the haves and the have nots.
We have already seen that going all in on the transfer portal isn't necessarily the way to the top (ie Texas A&M). The teams that are strategic will win the day. A combination of program development and continuing to recruit high school kids is going to be the best way toward a consistent program.
Yes, there will be teams that catch lightning in a bottle and end up with a great team because they hit on a lot of portal guys and it will be a great way to turn a program around quickly.
It has been crazy for the past couple of years but that was inevitable with all of the change. As people adapt this will all become normalized. Personally, I think it will be very exciting and really create some interesting story lines.
Clemson's place in the whole thing is very interesting to me and I'm really looking forward to watching.
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Orange Blooded [4970]
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Cap NIL deals at a certain amount***
Nov 30, 2023, 12:13 PM
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Re: How would you fix NIL
Nov 30, 2023, 12:24 PM
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By using the issue that colleges and universities receive federal funding. Also by setting salary caps based on college year. NCAA is based on collegiate amateur athletes. Foe example:
Freshman- <150,000
Sophomore-<250,000
Junior-<400,000
Senior or degree holder-unlimited earnings potential.
These types if structures combined with tbe 1 time free transfer would create a more even playing field and also put an emphasis on graduating. I think that this type of plan would hold up in the supreme court. Violation penalties could include bowl bans and suspension of federal funding to the institution. Doing nothing makes it all come to an end within the next 5-7 years.
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