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Saw Sound of Freedom last night . . . . Tigress & I really
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liked it.
At the beginning of the movie, I was - Cut off the supply and the demand will cease & desist.
Halfway through I was - Find the morally bankrupt zombies who are creating the demand and KILL THEM out in the town square - slowly & painfully.
It is a God-less, barren, desert of a world we live in that preys on SIX year olds - AND YOUNGER - to get "pleasure" from. No comprehension of how this happens.
They called the kids "chickens" and websites would have pages called "Fresh Chickens" with pictures, bios, and such, of the recently kidnapped kids.
Incredibly disturbing. What is the answer to stopping this ?
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Unfortunately, this movie has gotten caught up in political/
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conspiracy wackiness.
There should not be an agenda on this issue. It is real. It happens. It is sick. We should all want to stop it.
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Yup, no need for it to be political.***
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The only thing I've seen about it is
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Jul 20, 2023, 11:18 AM
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people claiming that it's being canceled in some way and criticism that it is not an accurate portrayal of trafficking. I can't help but wonder if the controversy has been created by the movie's producers to drive ticket sales.
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They have been doing some clever marketing and metrics
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Jul 20, 2023, 11:21 AM
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for the movie, so that's actually possible.
They did a "Pay it Forward" campaign on opening day, and anybody that bought a ticket to pay it forward to another viewer to see the movie at a later date, it counted in the box office as a bought ticket on opening day - which allowed them to goose their opening day earnings to claim the #1 movie title day.
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I haven't seen any marketing, only heard about it in church***
Jul 20, 2023, 11:23 AM
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I've only heard about it here and a Buddybook post or two.***
Jul 20, 2023, 11:32 AM
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Of all the folks commenting here - who has actually SEEN it?
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Jul 20, 2023, 2:42 PM
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They were doing the Pay it Forward last night.
As the credits were rolling, a timer came up in the lower right corner that said 2:30 minutes until a special message.
It was Jim Caviezel talking about the movie & what it took to get it into theaters and a small portion of the message was a QR code and the Pay it Forward idea.
If the Pay it Forward deal is part of a "conspiracy" (lol - those talking about how whacky the conspiracy angles are and then bring up a ticket dealio that SOUNDS like they are describing a "conspiracy" makes me laugh AT those people) to artificially inflate attendance - then at some point sold-out theaters would be empty - right ?
I asked Tigress - did you get tickets? - as we were headed to grab a bite & some beverages before the movie - the app said there were 2 tickets left - front row - we bought them - got there 5 mins or so before the trailers started - every seat was occupied.
One night, one theater does not an accurate sample size make, but . . . .
For us - there was nothing entertaining about this movie - I viewed it as a way to educate myself as to the possibility of what could be going on regarding children.
It was disturbing. It was plausible. I have no idea how big the problem is. I know it seems to be a sicko behavior that we are hearing more & more about / occurrences / related sub-weirdoness (child pornography isn't being made for 15 people - it has a market - a seemingly LARGE market)
ANYWAY - it was a movie that brought to my consciousness the possibility of what is going on "out there". Much in the same way Titanic visualized for me the debris field in the North Atlantic after it sank - I never really thought about that. Much in the same way Band of Brothers & Saving Private Ryan visualized for me the unimaginable horror of storming the beaches of Normandy.
Nothing political, nothing agenda-driven - just a "good" movie for conveying what I feel is probably happening out there.
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Huh?
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I have seen it - and the Pay it Forward deal was to boost opening day ticket sales, it's not a conspiracy or anything like that. It's purely marketing for the movie that I was talking about, the #### you going on about here.
It is still dramatized, but yes, there are absolutely horrible things happening out there.
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You say Pay it Forward was an opening day deal. I am saying
Jul 20, 2023, 5:05 PM
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1. It was more than opening day - it is still going on.
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2. I was saying perhaps the intention is how it was presented - to make the movie available to those that don't have the means to see it - or for people that would use the cost of the tickets as a reason not to see it.
Yes - it is a way to get people to donate while their heartstrings have been pulled on - but done in a way that increases the exposure of what is going on.
If you have a cause you believe in and you feel education, exposure, making people aware it is a big problem is one of the ways to improve the cause - getting more people to put their time & eyes on it is what it is all about.
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I've not paid it that much attention other than reading
Jul 20, 2023, 11:30 AM
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that someone associated with the movie is a Q follower. I have no interest in it, but I'd watch a documentary on the subject. Not really a fan of fiction based loosely on actual events.
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Buddy of mine I would describe as a fairly far right winger.
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Jul 20, 2023, 11:34 AM
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His dad is no doubt Q.
His dad says Russia is right to invade Ukraine as Ukraine is mainly populated by pedos.
His dad also said the reason that movie took so long to release is because the "higher ups" in hollywood are all liberal pedos and they wanted to prevent anything from coming out that may allow for people to start "getting on" to what they are all about.
Sometimes people amaze me with the shitthey come up with.
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Just from reading here...
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Jul 20, 2023, 11:38 AM
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it seems like there are many right wing nutjobs who call everyone they disagree with pedos.
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Crash means well.
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Jul 20, 2023, 11:41 AM
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But he's often drunk.
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Caviezel has done that for almost as long as Qanon has been
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Jul 20, 2023, 12:13 PM
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around, so his association with the film will automatically raise eyebrows. However, the movie producers and Tim Ballard were careful to not tread into overt conspiracy theory territory, no mention of adrenochrome, global cabals, etc. I don't THINK Tim Ballard is a conspiracy nut; rather, more likely and logically, he's a self-promoter with a bit of a hero complex. He believes in what he does, but he certainly exaggerates what he and Operation Underground Railroad have done, and in some cases, has outright lied about it.
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There's a conspiracy that all the AMC movie theaters
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Jul 20, 2023, 12:39 PM
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showing it have conveniently "inoperative" air conditioning on only the theaters that are airing the Sound of Freedom.
Because movie theaters like losing money on movies they are showing.
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Bro, AMC is owned and operated by the Hollywood Elite.***
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Re: The only thing I've seen about it is
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I know someone that is in law enforcement and specializes in what the movie is about. He is so thankful the movie was released and supports the movie.
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I'm not saying this doesn't happen, or that it happening
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Jul 20, 2023, 11:40 AM
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even once would ever be OK.
But keep in mind this is essentially an action movie, like 'Taken'. It's not a documentary.
Most of the child abuse that's happening is behind closed doors within families or communities (boy scouts, youth groups, athletic teams). It's not stranger kidnappings.
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And runaways***
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I'm holding out for the Nickelback train excursion.***
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You mean Greyhound***
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I can’t speak for Ken M here. But I think what he was going for…
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Was that the majority of sexual crimes against children are committed in communities that accidentally accept predators into their fold. I’m not sure if that is the case or not. But I think that’s what he was talking about. Sexual abuse of children instead of “human trafficking”.
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Correct, thank you.***
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I find it interesting all of the comments here...
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Immediate waving the white flag to avoid making it political followed by baseless and lackluster attempts to discredit the movie politically and claiming it's a right-wing political stunt. The odd attempt at ad hominem attacks on this movie are head scratching. Yall realize child trafficking is the 2nd only to drug trafficking as far as dollars goes, right? Could you imagine trying to dismiss drug trafficking as some over-blown right-wing obsession, especially if it makes some politicians look bad? I'd hope not.
Did @ttdrake® read a Rolling Stones article? The one I read was essentially, "we don't want to believe this" and grasping hard for reasons.
This movie was in the works if not completely written well before "Q" ever made its first post. Disney spiked it and it took years of lawfare to get the rights to the movie back from Disney. "Q" doesn't represent every right-wing political topic - as a matter of fact "Q" was only a pyscop or fat phony, larper regarding Russia-gate. Really nothing more. That was his topic and claimed to be an insider. Very few people even on the right even know what the hell Q was or where to find "Q" information, including me. Qanon became the media's way to discredit anything related to corruption as quackery. You have to apply more critical thinking than that. sheesh. Pizzagate was something totally different. But if y'all want to simp for John Podesta and his ilk, be my guest.
Pedos and traffickers exist. Epstein had clients. It's obvious he tried to, either successfully or unsuccessfully, get blackmail on all of the rich and elite that were on his flight logs and whatever. Do you think he amassed his money and power just from getting a few $K per child? No freaking way. He was in the business getting paid for his power and control over people. And funny enough, the elite pedo power ring was NOT what this movie is about, but for some reason people want to discredit the movie by citing their faith that there is no elite pedo ring... unsolicited.
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Re: I find it interesting all of the comments here...
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What comments are you referring to?
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I'm not really seeing comments saying what you allege. You appear to be confirming what I said that the controversy is largely manufactured. I just don't believe fictitious (or largely embellished movies intended for entertainment) are sources of education.
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You didn't learn anything
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from Forrest Gump?
To Kill a Mockingbird?
1984?
Saving Private Ryan?
Interesting.
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What should I have learned?***
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If you need me to tell you
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you wouldn't understand.
Is there a value in teaching great literature? If so, what?
Can movies provide a similar role in teaching as great literature? If not, why?
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Considerably more value in reading the book than
Jul 20, 2023, 3:07 PM
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watching the movie based on the movie. But fiction is not a good source to learn fact.
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FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS...
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If you watched Saving Private Ryan and didn't at least learn how to make a sticky bomb, then there's no hope for you.
GOOD DAY SIR.
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Re: What comments are you referring to?
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tdrake® I must have accidentally associated you with a comment regarding some of the talking points sourced from Vice and Rolling Stones. My B.
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No, I think you're not really paying attention to what
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the discussion actually is around this movie. Have you seen a single poster who claims that child trafficking isn't a real problem?
The problem, potentially, is that Ballard has worked to create a self-serving narrative about the complex issue of human trafficking. He portrays himself and Operation Underground Railroad as a singular "light in the darkness", as if nobody else even has trafficking on the radar. In fact, there are a LOT of international government and NGO agencies that have been working on this issue for longer than he has. A tangible result of the last couple of months of this movie in theaters is that multiple millions of dollars are pouring into OUR specifically, and nobody really knows what's being done (or will be done) with those funds.
Are Ballard and OUR earnest in their beliefs? Probably. But here's an example of one of the centerpieces of his marketing campaign that started over a decade ago, about a "little girl named Liliana". Ballard tries to focus on the dramatic "Taken" type abduction stories, and door-kicking rescues in hostile territories, when the typical trafficking situations are far more mundane (and to be clear, the end result in many of the "mundane" cases isn't less horrific for the victim, but certainly less dramatic). Liliana wasn't abducted or kidnapped, as Ballard claims; she was romantically involved with her to-be trafficker at age 14 (not age 11, the more dramatic age that Ballard cites), who subsequently smuggled her across the border into the US after several attempts, with her family's blessing as the victim and her family believed the promises of a better life/situation. She escaped on her own at 17 years old, with no help from OUR, contrary to what Ballard/OUR claim. Keep in mind, she's 14 years old in 2010. Ballard claims he introduced "this little girl" to Ivanka Trump, at which point she would have been in her early 20s.
So...what do you have when the dust settles here? A real issue, and a hero trying to bring awareness to it? A real issue and a guy exaggerating and flat out lying for personal gain? Something in between? One of the VICE reporters I heard on a podcast had a great quote that I can't find a transcript of, so kinda paraphrasing here: "The point of these investigations isn't to nitpick stories like this for inconsistencies, but it's worth noting if somebody is trying to reframe the realities of an legitimate issue towards the dramatic, and potentially diverting attention, funding, and human effort away from the actual productive work that existing agencies and organizations are doing in this space."
So, whatever. It's a real issue. Based on a growing list of proven bullshit Ballard has been propagating for the past decade, I'm inclined to believe he's more enamored with the $ and glory currently being showered on him than he is with trafficking victims, even if that isn't where he started this journey.
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That's kind of a stupid take from Vice, which is probably
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"The point of these investigations isn't to nitpick stories like this for inconsistencies, but it's worth noting if somebody is trying to reframe the realities of an legitimate issue towards the dramatic, and potentially diverting attention, funding, and human effort away from the actual productive work that existing agencies and organizations are doing in this space."
Does a rising tide not raise all boats? Even if it is dramatized, how would increasing awareness of the issue "take attention, funding, and human effort away" from those other agencies or organizations? People who were already donating/aware are going to suddenly divert their funding/volunteer efforts away from the organizations they've historically worked with? Does that make sense? It sounds like nitpicking is exactly what they're doing, and it comes across as if it's in an effort to discredit Ballard, as well as the overall theme of the movie. That criticism is really bizarre. If I had to guess, the main qualm is that the operation was largely funded by Glenn Beck.
I haven't seen it, so I don't know, but does the movie say all events portrayed are factual?
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Remarkable post - so much better than my attempt posted at
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the same time as this.
"Does a rising tide not raise all boats? Even if it is dramatized, how would increasing awareness of the issue "take attention, funding, and human effort away" from those other agencies or organizations? People who were already donating/aware are going to suddenly divert their funding/volunteer efforts away from the organizations they've historically worked with? Does that make sense? It sounds like nitpicking is exactly what they're doing, and it comes across as if it's in an effort to discredit Ballard, as well as the overall theme of the movie. That criticism is really bizarre."
THIS. 100%.
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I think I stated that in my post.
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This movie likely won't have any measurable impact in one direction or the other on existing funding for agencies and NGOs working to combat human trafficking. This movie WILL (and has, to date) generated a ton of incremental dollars, in the form of millions of dollars of donations to Ballard's Operation Underground Railroad. Do you think this warrants some discussion around what OUR is actually doing with these funds, or does that not matter, because this is all about awareness, and people sitting behind keyboards who suddenly really, really care about human trafficking are what is going to turn the tide in this battle?
The movie itself is "based on a true story", which is pretty meaningless, and we all expect writers, directors, and producers to take liberties with actual events being brought to a screen. That said, Ballard and OUR operate in the real world, where "factual" matters more. I've read a whole lot about Ballard that appears to be less than factual. So if the rising tide is only lifting Ballard's boat, what's the net effect of this epic movie?
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Well that's quite the assumption, but the Vice quote
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indicated it was a detriment to those agencies/organizations, which is ridiculous. I dunno, does it? Nobody seemed concerned about the millions of BLM donations that we later found out were used to enrich the leaders. People got a good laugh at those who donated to the "Build the Wall" campaign. Concern about how those donations are being used strikes me as crocodile tears, to put it mildly.
Why would the rising tide only lift Ballards boat? Does that make sense? Millions of people become more aware of human trafficking and he's the only one that benefits?
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I clearly said I was paraphrasing what a reporter said
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in a podcast. I just gave that portion a re-listen, and here's a close actual transcription:
"The thing about these stories is that the version that Tim Ballard tells is easy to condense into a few minutes, it tends to be a heroic rescue story with a happy ending; in his story, these women got visas because he called someone at the White House and they printed them out, like they got visas in the amount of time it took to press the print button, which is not how visas work. So for us to explain what actually happened, it takes a lot of time and work, it's really complicated, and you have to talk to people who are experts in humanitarian aid, and it's just not as appealing and cinematic and compelling of a story. Typically when we fact-check stories from OUR and organizations like that, people get REALLY upset with us, because it can sound like we're nitpicking the good work of an organization that is trying to rescue people. In fact, what the people who are experts in anti-trafficking work are trying to convey is that the work of helping people who have been trafficked takes a really long time and is a whole lot more complicated than people like Tim Ballard are making it out to be. It's a whole lot less about kicking down doors, and more about, for instance, helping people get into job training programs, helping them develop skills, develop a way to make a living.
The fairytale that OUR told is certainly very compelling and good for Hollywood, but it just doesn't reflect the actual work of helping trafficking victims."
I paraphrased the "detriment" part, but what is actually one of the most critical components of curbing this black market industry is also one of the most "boring" parts of it--how you help people continue in life AFTER being removed from whatever awful situation they were in. But the dramatic Ballard-orchestrated door-kicking rescue already happened (and trust him, it totally happened), so who cares, right?
Also, are you just rewriting narratives now? "Nobody seemed concerned about BLM donations, but everybody laughed at people who donated to Build The Wall!" What? Nobody here on Tigernet or anywhere else was laughing about BLM contributions? C'mon. I was even laughing about the BLM thing, because what was ever going to be a tangible output of giving money to that particular group? More discussion about a sentiment? That's some weird selective memory persecution you have simmering there--nobody laughed at BLM shysters, but EVERYBODY laughed at wall-building shysters?
Is Ballard directing people to donate to ANY other of the myriad of global organizations combatting human trafficking? I'll absolutely recalibrate my take on this if you can find any evidence that he's doing that, and not simply adding 8 figures (or more) to HIS organization's coffers exclusively.
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From your first paragraph - they are saying that getting a
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Jul 20, 2023, 4:49 PM
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visa is more difficult than the portrayed "pressing the print button" . . . .
This is the Webster's definition of nitpicking . . . are you even serious with this ?
If they want to expose the human sacrifice required to get a visa, then they should create their own expose movie about it.
"We aren't nitpicking, but these people that have been rescued have to be taught how to do things after they have been molested and abused from 6 years old until 17 years old, when they were freed from their situation" . . .
Welll, geeeeeezzzzz - probably shoulda just left 'em there, because job training isn't very Hollywood exciting.
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Should Jim Caviezel and Ballard make a movie
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Jul 20, 2023, 4:57 PM
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on a subject they are most passionate about and... sit on the sidelines? Obviously awareness was needed desperately so. There's nothing wrong with starting an organization. What makes you think ANY of the existing ones that no one has heard of are somehow better? Who is funding them? Any profits from this movie can go to one place, the producer's pockets - if he using is using it to fund some organization, the that's his choice. He doesn't have to donate the proceeds to Uncle Sam who then send 0.000000000001% of it to their preferred agencies of donut eaters.
Where would the money people have spent on this movie or to his org gone for not this movie exist? I can tell you where it WOULDN'T be going... those agencies no one knows about. The only effect is it's probably less money spent on plastic Amazon trash and Marvel movies.
Think about it this way, we're all talking about it. Hopefully people can talk about it positively instead of canceling it out. If you neutralize this movie and the story, you are essentially neutralizing the momentum that should be lobbied as a talking point in every political race. If we all had a litmus test for our reps that was "you will force agencies to focus on human trafficking" then this country's priorities would finally start to reflect a populist idea. I see negativity as effectively sinking all ships.
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No - I got it
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Jul 20, 2023, 4:34 PM
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All of the discussion is '####' in nature, even ad hominem and not focused on the actual issue, even if comments are prefaced with "I care about the issue, but..." Now, some discussion is about the authenticity of the content and whether or not children being 'taken' happens enough to be concerned about. That's fair. Did he have to make a movie about the most common way children are trafficked? I don't think so. Truthfully, that's a stupid point altogether. That topic was seeded by a few articles and no one is thinking to say "### does that matter?". It's a weird way to throw shade - like you'd you have to be wanting to throw shade to even make that point instead of praising the story line and building on it to include other ways children are trafficked.
Those agencies/organizations Vice mentioned? VICE/Rolling Stone's concern is this takes away from their mission in some way. That's probably not a concern considering **NO ONE HAS HEARD OF THEM**. Apparently they are failing miserably at their job of awareness bc no one and none of our political leaders or agencies are making it their top priority... and I think they should be IMO. So how does this divert funds? If anything, it makes the millions that have seen it lobby for funding! What a joke of a take. If those agencies truly have spoken out against this film for accuracy issues instead of praising it for incredible awareness it has brought, then they are truly missing the mark, embarrassingly so.
I've listened to a lot of interviews with Jim Caviezel speaking directly on this movie and the content. He has never claimed that there wasn't dramatic effects added to the story of Tim Ballard (I think it's in the intro?). Now, articles like Vice and Rolling Stones chose that as a way to knock down the movie despite that being typical of a true story-based movies and clearly expected.
If Ballard feels like he's alone in a mission, then maybe respect his perception bc I'm sure EVERYONE in that line of work feels that way. Every success would feel like a drop in the bucket. "He's no hero bc, well, SOMEONE else does similar work!" is trollery.
Just a quick note, 1 out of 3 women who make the journey across our border are assaulted. The number of unaccompanied minors that disappear into our cities is staggering. Thinking kids aren't being taken and abused in mega numbers is just not a good thought. It's like saying Fentanol is the #1 killer so any movie about the dangers of heroin are pointless and hurt the cause.
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All of discussion is (M) (E) (T) (A) in nature
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Jul 20, 2023, 4:38 PM
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had no idea that was a banned work - jeesh they've gotten tight
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"If those agencies truly have spoken out against this film
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Jul 20, 2023, 4:52 PM
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for accuracy issues instead of praising it for incredible awareness it has brought, then they are truly missing the mark, embarrassingly so."
BUT - DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO REALLY GET A VISA ? ? THAT COMMIE BALLARD IS CONFUSING PEOPLE ON VISA STUFF.
Great post.
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You're making this way more complicated that it needs to be.
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Jul 20, 2023, 5:45 PM
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If you operate in that space, i.e., combatting human trafficking, as Tim Ballard ostensibly does, why would you portray yourself as the ONLY one doing so, when you KNOW, by virtue of what you do and who you work with, that it's simply not anywhere close to being true? "I care deeply about these trafficking victims. Also, I don't care even a little bit or acknowledge all of the people and organizations who also do work in this space."
And your assertation of "I feel alone." Fuck that. That's dumb. There is a pretty specific and obvious reason he's painting that image, and guess what? It worked like a charm.
All of the information, data, and stats around human trafficking is available, and has been. He didn't create some new construct with a largely fictional movie, but don't let that stop you from pretending he did. I'm not on some crusade against the guy. But I'm also not holding him up as some sort of hero for being a good fiction writer, either. Give him your money. You're perfectly free to do so.
If you want your money (or at least more cents on the dollar) to actually go towards helping trafficking victims, tmail me and I'll give you a list of organizations who are in the trenches doing the heavy lifting, including one my company is about to sign a contract with in Sierra Leone. I'll be sure to relay how much the keyboard awareness is helping what they do in real life.
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