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Freshman [-79]
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Which HS QB would you sign?
Sep 14, 2022, 10:35 PM
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QB (A)
Games Played …. 56
Total Passing Yards …. 13,902
Passing TDs …. 161
Passing TDs /Game …. 2.88
Passing Yards/Game …. 248.3
Pass Completions …. 846
Pass Attempts …. 1,335
Interceptions …. 21
Completion % …. 0.634
Carries …. 154
Rushing Yards …. 707
Rushing Yards/Game …. 12.6
Yards/Carry …. 6.3
Rushing TDs …. 11
Total Yards …. 14,609
Total Yards/game …. 260.9
Total TD …. 172
Total TD/Game …. 3.1
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QB (B)
Games Played …. 42
Total Passing Yards …. 10,496
Passing TDs …. 127
Passing TDs /Game …. 3.02
Passing Yards/Game …. 249.9
Pass Completions …. 585
Pass Attempts …. 871
Interceptions …. 11
Completion % …. 0.672
Carries …. 174
Rushing Yards …. 1,103
Rushing Yards/Game …. 26.3
Yards/Carry …. 6.3
Rushing TDs …. 18
Total Yards …. 11,599
Total Yards/game …. 276.2
Total TD …. 145
Total TD/Game …. 3.5
Note: QB (B) leads in 10 of 18 categories.
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Freshman [-79]
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*take off the INTs***
Sep 14, 2022, 10:37 PM
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Orange Blooded [3650]
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Re: Which HS QB would you sign?
Sep 14, 2022, 10:43 PM
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I understand the aim of objectivity but one key feature is missing - what was the strength of the opponents?
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Freshman [-79]
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Strength of opponents about the same***
Sep 15, 2022, 12:02 AM
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Orange Blooded [2565]
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Re: Which HS QB would you sign?
Sep 14, 2022, 11:03 PM
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What is your point with this comparison of two FB recruits for this board? Are we supposed to have enough knowledge to sway our coaches when they are recruiting?
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Orange Blooded [4150]
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Re: Which HS QB would you sign?
Sep 14, 2022, 11:07 PM
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So, what's your point. We do not know the quality of the teams played.
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Freshman [-79]
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About the same***
Sep 15, 2022, 12:04 AM
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Re: Which HS QB would you sign?
Sep 14, 2022, 11:33 PM
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I would sign neither based on just these stats.
You need to first look at the caliber of opponent. Are they at an IMG type school playing college cornerbacks, or are they at a SC public school where they might see one or two 3 star defensive backs a year? On that same note, how talented is the team around them? If they are just overwhelmingly good, their stats are going to look better.
What's their win/loss record? A star QB should be able to take over a game in high school and should be a major winner.
You need to see how they do in camps and events like the Elite 11? You should take into account passing experts like Jordan Palmer.
I need to see them both and also, what are their measurables? Both seem to be okay, but not great scramblers, but is that a function of their style of offense? What's their 40 time? For passing, is their release time lightning fast or slow? Do they have good footwork?
Finally, what style of offense are they and what style of offense do I run? While I strongly believe good offensive minds can scheme around their players, if you can have continuity, all the better.
Also, strange choice in stats. So QB B had more carries over their career than QB A. Who cares? Why do you weight that the same as accuracy?
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Freshman [-79]
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Well you're right there are things that don't need to be weighted
Sep 14, 2022, 11:59 PM
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I did it really quick, obviously, and I can't edit. But compare what you want. They both played for similar, high level high school programs, they both won championships, and they were both top 5-star recruits.
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Re: Well you're right there are things that don't need to be weighted
Sep 15, 2022, 1:05 AM
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But these are important factors you're ignoring. FWIW, I know who QB A and QB B are, but I'll try not to ruin your experiment. Those are NOT similar high school programs. They're not even in the same stratosphere. QB B had significantly better players around him and against him. QB A did much better in camps. But the important factors are the last two. Measurables clearly went to one of those QBs and that QB fit the scheme I'd be running better.
But, for what it's worth, based on high school stats, I thought QB A and QB B would both be absolutely incredible, national championship winning QBs. I thought QB B could win a Heisman and would play in the national championship against QB C (you know who C is). I was wrong.
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Freshman [-79]
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Yeah you see what I was trying to show, but I'm not ignoring competition.
Sep 15, 2022, 10:20 AM
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Are you saying QB B had an easier situation to pad stats? If so, I disagree.
Secondly, you "measurables clearly went to one of those QBs and that QB fit the scheme I'd be running better". I'm not exactly what you mean there, but don't the added rushing stats for QB B actually suit our scheme better?
Overall, the point is QB B was not a reach from a system standpoint, and that's exactly what another poster trolled the board with. Contrary to the trolls comments, QB B fits all the measurables for our system.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Yeah you see what I was trying to show, but I'm not ignoring competition.
Sep 15, 2022, 3:12 PM
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Not necessarily.
QB B had significantly better players around them. But they also played much better opponents. You can't argue either of those points. It's hard to say which had an easier time.
I already said the stats don't tell the full story. What are the 40s of QB A and QB B? You can pull those up easily. It's a massive difference. QB A also had quicker footwork in the pocket and a quicker release. Those are undisputed.
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All-In [40936]
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QB A
Sep 15, 2022, 3:26 PM
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was a lot better. I choose QB A.
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Freshman [-79]
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Not is HS***
Sep 15, 2022, 8:45 PM
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Freshman [-79]
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Paralysis by analysis.
Sep 15, 2022, 8:34 PM
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Competition was not as different as you allude, and again if QB B played against tougher opponents wouldn't that make his stats more impressive?
Are you sure you don't have this backwards?
Contrary to your view that stats don't matter, what about national rankings? What about champ
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Re: Paralysis by analysis (cont.)
Sep 15, 2022, 8:44 PM
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Considering QB B played tougher competition, by your yet to be supported opinion, then how can you insinuate QB B's numbers should be ignored.
What do 40 times matter when QB B had a much better HS rushing career? Again, does that not (on paper) better fit our system? Of course it does!
I'll say again, both these QBs were #1 pro QBs coming out of HS. QB A had larger numbers due to more games, but QB B had better averages across the board. I'm honestly not even sure what you're trying to argue? Are you sure you have A and B correct?
Again, the bottom line of all of this was to disprove a troll's troll attempt. The troll tried to say QB B didn't fit our system ad asked why we recruited him. Fact is, QB B's numbers (on papar) are more actually suited for where we've been successful.
What are you trying to argue??
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On stats alone they both have the blue chip 'cruit
Sep 15, 2022, 10:19 AM
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profile. It matters, though, who they are. Does A or B have any limiting factors like height, arm strength, speed, intellect. Is this Jamarcus Russell or Andrew Luck? Drew Brees or Brock Osweiller? DJ or Taisun Phommachanh?
Then there is the whole "want to" factor. Which wants to be in your program, wants to be challenged, wants to grind, wants to get better err' day.
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Trevor vs DJ?***
Sep 15, 2022, 10:40 AM
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Freshman [-79]
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Ding, ding, ding.. we have a weiner!***
Sep 15, 2022, 11:24 AM
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Can you just tell us who they are? busy and all you know!***
Sep 15, 2022, 11:11 AM
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