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All-Conference [412]
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Calling all Jack Leggett apologists
May 26, 2012, 12:40 PM
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This game describes the whole season. This team is so up and down. Out of 33 players 3 are Seniors. Richie Shaffer is a Junior that will leave for the MLB. Most Jack Leggett fans always comes back with the fact that this a young team. So what? This team lacks talent. Especially the pitchers. Can you honestly say you think the future is bright? Jack has got to shake up the coaching staff or he needs to leave asap. Clemson does not play well in tournament play. Jack Leggett must be held accountable. 8 out of 33 players are from South Carolina. The Gamecock baseball team has 18 players from the state of South Carolina. All they have done is won two National Championships. Clemson needs to get more local talent and stay away from the northern players. Of course that is a Jack Leggett trademark. We have enough talented baseball players here in South Carolina.
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they and the acc apologists are two peas
May 26, 2012, 12:46 PM
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in a pod.
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All-Conference [412]
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Re: they and the acc apologists are two peas
May 26, 2012, 1:01 PM
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Clemson needs to leave the ACC.
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Re: Calling all Jack Leggett apologists
May 26, 2012, 2:19 PM
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How is Daniel Gossett not a talented pitcher? I think he's done pretty well as a freshman. Could we have better pitching? Yeah, probably, but the MLB also wants better pitchers, too. Don't forget, our ace has been injured and one of our top relievers was also injured this year. Don't tell me better recruiting could have prevented injuries.
I think we are starting to recruit more in SC now anyway (hate to use the same example, but Gossett is from SC, too). Most of our SC players are Freshmen this year I think.
Talent-wise, defensively, we are pretty darn good (our fielding percentage is second to UVA).
Our hitting could be better, and we will be losing (most likely) a darn good bat in that of Shaffer, but there are a couple players who we thought were going to be pretty good bats, but just haven't made a big push on the consistency front, yet. As you said, we've been off and on all season.
Could we recruit better? Anybody probably could, but at the same time, the better you recruit, the more you will be working to fill in gaps when those better recruits go to the MLB instead of Clemson. Once the new team clubhouse is built, we MIGHT be a bit better at keeping people here, but $$$ from MLB draft pulls pretty hard, just as $$$ from Big 12 is pulling you guys pretty hard for realignment (I say you guys because I'd rather stay and be on the side with VT asking to be in the SEC than go to the Big 12).
Also, what is wrong with recruiting people out of state? We do it in football all the time. Maybe we should focus on getting Mr. Football from SC every year instead of bringing in the likes of Sammy Watkins or CJ Spiller from FL. Yeah, sounds like a great plan to me...
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26% pulse obviously he does nothing but bash
May 26, 2012, 7:01 PM
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Clemson, hmmm
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Re:" 26% Bryanttiger = Homer
May 27, 2012, 9:43 PM
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I love Clemson University. I do make some positive posts on this site. I make no apologies for what I say on here. Jack Leggett is not the same coach he used to be. I can not help it we have people on here who wear orange and purple glasses and get offended if you state your opinion. Jack Leggett is a legendary coach and he has done alot for Clemson. All I am saying is I think he has seen his good years. Every coach reaches a ceiling to where they are not going to improve. Jack Leggett is consistenly getting Clemson in the regionals with the exception of one year since he has been the coach. Clemson could hire someone worse i admit. I just do not see the fire and passion that Jack used to have. Maybe it is because he is 58 years old.
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Re: 26% pulse obviously he does nothing but bash
May 27, 2012, 9:43 PM
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I agree that some BIG changes are needed for the baseball program and I have a 100% rating. Tanner builds a tournament team but Jack doesn't. If the 60 win season team didn't prove that nothing will.
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Re: 26% pulse obviously he does nothing but bash
May 27, 2012, 9:50 PM
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Thanks Rockymountainhigh! How much do I owe you? lol Some people on this site ie Bryanttiger act like you are talking about his family if you state something negative. If fans want a winner it does not mean all we want to do is bash.I care and I want to see progress. It does not help that South Carolina has won two NCAA titles. When I get to the point I do not care I will quit supporting this University and IPTAY.
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All is well?
May 26, 2012, 8:39 PM
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Predicting a run in the tournament? An ACC Championship next year? Please let us know your expectations and predictions.
I'm not sure you want to open the "our players are getting injured from poor conditioning" can of worms. Every leak you plug opens another.
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Re: All is well?
May 26, 2012, 9:44 PM
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I'm not predicting any run in the tournament. I think even the biggest Clemson fans would say that although they really HOPE we do well in the tournament and will certainly be watching and rooting for the Tigers, we probably will not turn too many heads this year in the tournament. Anything can happen, though. I certainly wasn't expecting to beat FSU this weekend and I definitely wasn't expecting to lose to UVA the way we did this weekend either. Our team could go either way with a couple extra swings of the bat.
If we get some decent hitting from a couple more people throughout the order, we can be a very dangerous team. What if a hitter or two before Shaffer got on base and forced pitchers to pitch to Shaffer? If they don't get on base, what if the guys after Shaffer gets walked hit a few base hits (or better)? Runs would score. Our pitchers do a decent job, but our offense needs to consist of more than just a few hitters before we become a dangerous team. We just don't have the knock-out pitcher(s) on our staff right now to win a lot of close, defensive games.
And no, I'm not opening the S&C can. My stance on that would make my pulse go even lower than it already has the past few weeks based on my stance towards conference realignment...
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Luke Wingo
May 26, 2012, 9:39 PM
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is a Clemson legacy and the most recent CWS MVP. He was all set to come to Clemson before Jack refused to match SC's scholarship offer, how much would we love to have him right now?
I don't, however, see recruiting as our biggest problem, the biggest problems are in-game coaching and a lack of well-rounded hitting. Our batters watch the majority of first pitches go by no matter how pretty they are, and in 4 years nobody has managed to teach Phil Pohl how to hit a curve ball.
Our recruiting would be great if we were developing our players into great hitters and fielders, not just one or the other. Kieboom and Pohl would be big-time major league prospects if either of them could hit (especially Kieboom, he's awesome behind the plate).
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Re: Luke Wingo
May 26, 2012, 9:50 PM
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Upvote for noting how awesome a catcher Kieboom is...not many people can steal on him...Always amazed at how zeroed in on the game he is; always in control.
I will mention, however, that for a good period last year, Kieboom had a VERY hot bat, and he has come up clutch this year at times as well. Again, we are a very flip-floppy team right now. I don't know how to coach consistent hitting; maybe it's just spending hours and hours and hours in the cage (the old repeat until it's just natural gig) or if the players need to spend time with the sports shrink, but at the same time, I feel that a lot of hitting is in the genes, too.
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Scott Wingo???***
May 26, 2012, 11:10 PM
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Yeah that's what I meant
May 27, 2012, 5:58 PM
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Knew a kid named Luke Wingo in high school, always get the names mixed up.
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Re: Calling all Jack Leggett apologists
May 26, 2012, 9:52 PM
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Man do some of yall ever get tired of trashin legget every time we lose a game? Never ever see many of yall arround when we win,but soon as we lose yall flood tigernet.
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Look at Jack's numbers his 1st 9 seasons vs. his last 9,
May 26, 2012, 10:56 PM
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It's not even close. Jack isn't a great coach. he benefited heavily from taking over Clemson baseball at its peak and from having some great assistants. The past 5 or 6 years have been esp bad in terms of recruiting and player fundamentals.
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Re: Look at Jack's numbers his 1st 9 seasons vs. his last 9,
May 26, 2012, 11:16 PM
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First off I never once said I was happy with where we are....But after every loss the board gets flooded with fire jack posts. Its not like TDP and Barker are gonna read this board to get an idea wether they wanna keep him or not. We all know the baseball team isnt what it use to be its obvious, but goodness ll this pissin and moaning on the boards constantly does no good and turns recruits away.
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Rock Defender [54]
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that nonsense that tnet hurts recruiting is garbage. every
May 27, 2012, 5:01 AM
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school has a message board with fans that complain. complaining is fans wanting to win. that's a good thing. anyone that thinks clemson has lost recruits because of tnet is nutters. i wouldn't want a kid if he based his decision on tnet users unhappy with losing, we have enough soft players already.
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dang,i actually agree with your statement
May 27, 2012, 6:36 AM
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and that is down-right scary.
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Jack won 71% of his games his first 9 seasons, his last 9
May 27, 2012, 7:47 AM
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he's won 65% of his games. It's not that big of a drop off. To put it in some perspective, the winningest coach in college baseball history, Augie Garrido, has won 67% of his games. Jack's right there. To act like he's lost it is laughable.
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If broken into 6 year intervals what is the winning %?***
May 27, 2012, 9:32 AM
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71%, 67%, 66%
May 27, 2012, 12:35 PM
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and what actually kills anything recently is 1 bad year. Throw that out and he's pretty darn consistent!
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CU Guru [1464]
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Very solid numbers. Why does it feel like we're no longer
May 27, 2012, 1:15 PM
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at the level we used to be? We don't have the depth of talent we had in the past but those are still great winning %'s.
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the internet has only been around for the last 1/3***
May 27, 2012, 4:03 PM
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May 28, 2012, 1:01 AM
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northern kids and Pacific Northwest***
May 26, 2012, 10:50 PM
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Re: Calling all Jack Leggett apologists
May 27, 2012, 7:54 AM
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Then why don't you coach the team? Just think, with all of your knowledge we will be National Champions every year............
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Re: Calling all Jack Leggett apologists
May 27, 2012, 11:08 AM
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You are using the "why don't you coach the team" as your argument? With that logic, Ket Hatfield, Larry Shyatt, etc. etc. would never get fired. My answer for you is "Why doesn't Jack win more games?"
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