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Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
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May 8, 2023, 5:36 PM
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By being on this board one would think that you are a true blue Clemson supporter, but not when it comes to basketball. As far as many of you are concerned Brad can do no right. I guess one of your criticisms is that he has only won at Chapel Hill once. Dang! Quit thinking you are experts and support the guy. Back in the day I was tight with Tates Locke and was aware of his “doings.” I can assure you that if Brownell had Tree Rollins and Skip Wise on his team we would have achieved more than Tates did.
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How is that a valid argument for Brownell
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May 8, 2023, 5:54 PM
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Or any coach? Well if they just had more talent or the talent of that team. Well we don’t, he is responsible for getting the talent in Clemson. That’s part of the job. It doesn’t matter how you figure out how to win, within reason, but that you figure it out. This guy has proven time and time again that he just can’t figure it out. Now people are just tired of watching it and ready for something new to get excited about, ala baseball. What’s wrong with that?
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Re: How is that a valid argument for Brownell
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May 8, 2023, 6:17 PM
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You my friend are the kind of person I was referring to. Dang! I wish you would resign from your job and volunteer to become our recruiting coordinator. No doubt you think you could do a better job.
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Brownell gets paid $3 Million per year to do that...
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May 8, 2023, 6:27 PM
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And you are saying we need to bring in someone else to recruit if we want to be better.....THAT is the issue.
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Re: How is that a valid argument for Brownell
May 9, 2023, 9:32 PM
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I have asked time and time again, for anyone that loves Brad . . to discuss his coaching with me. I will lay facts and opinions on style on teh table, to back up my complaints. No one has taken the challenge. You game?
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He can’t figure out how to win, yet he has more than anyone else
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May 8, 2023, 8:28 PM
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in our program’s history.
The logic on TNet never ceases to amaze me.
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Re: He can’t figure out how to win, yet he has more than anyone else
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He also has the most losses as head coach at Clemson.
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Let's be honest for a change shall we?
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May 9, 2023, 9:29 AM
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CBB's winning percentage has more to do with the fact that he is the longest tenured coach in program history more so than some impressive level of success.
He also has the most losses of any head coach in program history.
The logic of the lunatic fringe never ceases to amaze me.
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Re: How is that a valid argument for Brownell
May 9, 2023, 8:46 AM
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Yet he has won ~ 60% of his games so it appears you don’t follow basketball closely
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Re: How is that a valid argument for Brownell
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.577 at Clemson. Real hall of fame material.
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Re: Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
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I think most of us feel like missing the Big Dance in 10 of 13 years is something most programs would not allow to go on into perpetuity and instead, just keep hoping for a different result. Before I retired, I was in sales, and missing a quota more than a couple of times would have cost me my job. Nothing against me personally, it is just that results mattered and meeting commitments was an expectation that did not go unchecked in my field.
I guess expectations for the Clemson basketball coach are different.
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The real problem is Neff is just as incapable as Brownell...
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May 8, 2023, 6:29 PM
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He will cost us a place in the future of college football if we aren't careful...
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Why does being unhappy with Brownell's pathetic performance
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Equate not liking Clemson basketball. I hear this over and over and over from JK, Cobbox, and the rest of the Lunatic Fringe that think losing to Morehead State at home in the NIT is a successful season.
People are unhappy with Brownell because he has been here going on 14 years and has 3 visits to the NCAA Tourney. One of these was in his first year when the previous coach was coming off 3 consecutive. That's TWO NCAA Tourney visits in the last 12 years.
The people that are unhappy with Brownell are the ones who LOVE our basketball program and want it to be better. The ones that are satisfied with 2 Tourneys in 12 years couldn't give a sh!t if our basketball program was good. Otherwise they would expect more...
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Re: Why does being unhappy with Brownell's pathetic performance
May 8, 2023, 8:08 PM
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Cobbox is only happy because he can cling to his court side seats. That matters way more the product on the floor and Brownell keeps it cheap.
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Re: Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
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May 8, 2023, 6:31 PM
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Why are some of you so hung up on people being anti Brad when it is definitely fans being more pro better basketball. Especially after seeing what BB is capable of in his 13 years. All we want is to become an NCAA team more regularly than what BB can give us. Idc what our history is. Eventually you can find that coach that will propel us to bigger and better.
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Re: Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
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May 8, 2023, 6:52 PM
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Unsure why any of this BB stuff is on the football board?
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You want to be better at basketball, but don’t want to put in the effort.
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May 8, 2023, 8:30 PM
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If you want to be better, make sure the program is being supported accordingly. That means financially and butts in the seats. Otherwise, you’re just being lazy and have no right to expect more success.
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Re: You want to be better at basketball, but don’t want to put in the effort.
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May 8, 2023, 9:50 PM
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The product on the court is what intimately puts butts in the seats. When we were on our winning streak this season, the butts were there. After the Louisville loss, the butts were in decline. Just how it goes.
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Louisville had over 15,000 fans in attendance for their game
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May 10, 2023, 12:46 PM
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against us. They were 3-24 overall and 1-14 in the ACC. That's fan support to brag about.
Our fans showing up well when we are leading the ACC isn't anything to brag about, because all fan bases can support a team at the top.
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Re: Louisville had over 15,000 fans in attendance for their game
May 10, 2023, 1:41 PM
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Here’s a news flash for you. Even in football fans won’t show up if we were to drop back our 2010 version. I’ll go cut grass or do something else than watch losing ball. So it’s not just basketball. We do however have more faith in football because we’ve seen the what that program is capable of.
You keep referring to fan support but to me it’s the chicken or the egg. Will winning bring fan support or will fan support bring winning. I believe it’s the winning brings fan support. But you have your opinion and I have mine. We very rarely agree.
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Re: Louisville had over 15,000 fans in attendance for their game
May 13, 2023, 11:21 AM
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More people supported Shyatt than turned out for Brownell this past year. Willingness to support isn’t the issue. Willingness to support when the team struggles isn’t an issue. Asking a fanbase to support a guy for a 14th season after a demonstrable history of failure is insane. Your circular arguments are tired. Neff got way out over his skies supporting Brownell when we racked up wins against cupcakes. He won’t make the same mistake again. It’s gonna take a lot more than the NIT and a first round exit to survive.
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May 9, 2023, 8:11 AM
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better if we paid them more money. That speaks VERY poorly to the character of our coaches, if that is the case. And,, it MUST be the case, since I do not recall a single story of late where any incoming player, or one that we missed on, complaining about Clemson's physical facilities.
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I have never said that our coaches would coach better
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May 10, 2023, 12:53 PM
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if they were paid more. That's a ridiculous accusation you're making, and it isn't supported in any of my thousands of posts on this topic.
As I've stated many times, I feel that Brownell is paid fairly.
The assistants are paid better than they used to be, but for years Brad had to find assistants who would come here on the cheap. He's hired some good ones, but keeping them has not always been easy. We recently lost one to Boston College and another to Georgia, both of whom got raises. Those programs are not as good as ours, so why are they paying more?
Paying assistants more money would mean we could hire better assistants, which should translate into improvements in who we have and how they perform. Paying Donlon what we are was a step in the right direction and shows an improved commitment by the school.
Neff stated soon after he became AD that one of his priorities was increasing the budget for assistants. Are you also accusing him of saying that our coaches would coach better if they were paid more?!?
It's pretty simple to see that we spend less on our basketball program than most other ACC schools as well as most SEC schools. It's baffling to me why fans like you ignore this and act like it's no big deal, and instead continue to heap criticism on our head coach for not performing better despite his program being underfunded.
I'm not asking for our program to be at a funding advantage like our football program is. I'd just like to see it funded well. If we want to be a yearly fixture in the NCAA Tournament, that means we need to consistently finish in the top 4-5 in the ACC. We are no where close to top 4-5 in funding for the program. Our facilities aren't quite at that level either. So we have to do better.
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Brad's incompetence at the helm has driven off 20% of
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the program's fan base over his tenure here. He is uninspiring and out of his league. While overall attendance at ACC basketball games is also down as a matter of lifestyle changes, it is down only 6% over that timeframe - so we are outpacing that decline by more than 3x.
Stop blaming Clemson fans for Brad's failures. You dog our student athletes by complaining about Brad not being able to recruit well because it's Clemson. Like Brad, throwing the kids we do have under the bus. His recruiting class average has been top 40 - that's not bad and a level where a decent coach would get better results. His salary is top 40. His results over that time? A 75th average ranking finish.
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I’d bet it’s a good bit more than 20% too.***
May 10, 2023, 1:19 PM
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Re: I’d bet it’s a good bit more than 20% too.***
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This season - one of Brownell’s best for attendance - is below Larry Shyatt’s average attendance. That’s all anyone should have to know to say it is time for a change. The persistence with Brownell has murdered the fanbase.
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Re: Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
May 8, 2023, 6:53 PM
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13 seasons under wraps in Hoops. Brown L is exactly what
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our program has performed as during that stretch. Middling. Unpredictable. On the wrong side of close games at a league leading rate. No promise ahead other than the cootish 'wait til next year' mantras. I hate it. I thought he was a decent hire at the time. I've had the guts to admit I was wrong along the way. Unlike students and alumni, Brad is a hired hand with a mission to deliver, especially with his top 40 salary 6 years going. He isn't. His kids don't matriculate well. Lots of turnover. No program identity. An afterthought in the game. It's been a lost decade IMO of Clemson hoops.
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Raise your hand if you ever had to camp out for tickets
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under Brownell.
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Re: Raise your hand if you ever had to camp out for tickets
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I had to if I wanted to see Riley introduced at halftime...
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What is it about all you Brownell supporters?
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May 8, 2023, 7:36 PM
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Apparently you're all content with thirteen years of largely inconsistent and mediocre results.
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Re: Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
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Your logic escapes me. Do you keep dating your girlfriend if she repeatedly cheats on you? Do you keep a car if it breaks down repeatedly? Do you keep going to the same dentist if your teeth have all fallen out? You get the picture, at least I can hope you do. To call us out as not being true fans because we are tired of the same old same old defies reasonable thinking. You don’t know anything about me and my passion for Clemson.
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Re: Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
May 8, 2023, 8:01 PM
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Lmfao y’all crucify Dabo for missing the playoffs but whine about people wondering when Brad will finally produce after 13 years. It’s funny to read though because both sides are the same exact people just defending different coaches.
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Re: Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
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May 8, 2023, 8:18 PM
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CU1966, CBB has had 13 years to do something with our program beyond repetitive mediocrity. What more evidence that a change is needed?
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Re: Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
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It's not that hard to figure out. 2 tournament appearances with his players in 14 years. No ACC titles, bad losses to awful teams that Clemson should never lose to and terrible NIT performances. Is is really a big mystery to you>
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Oh, I don't know, maybe, ...
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MEDIOCRITY.
It is only tolerated in basketball.
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Tell 'em coot!
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Fire Brownlee!
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Re: Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
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I have asked time and time again, for anyone that loves Brad . . to discuss his coaching with me. I will lay facts and opinions on style on teh table, to back up my complaints. No one has taken the challenge. You game?
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Re: Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
May 10, 2023, 12:38 PM
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I once attended all home games. I have no desire to watch Brad pop a squat at center court. I love my tigers.
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Re: Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
May 10, 2023, 2:16 PM
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You used to attend all home games but stopped because of Brownell? That is an odd statement considering Clemson is 37-8 at home over the last 3 years. In 2021 they were 11-1 and this past season they were 15-1 during the season.
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When did college basketball coaches stop being in charge of recruiting?
May 10, 2023, 1:57 PM
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If he wants tree Rollins or skip wise, then he should go recruit them.
Glad we have fans that know a good coach from a bad coach and set baseline expectations
We’d be one happy mess of losers if all our fans were like you
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Re: Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
May 13, 2023, 10:29 AM
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CU1966 Yes we are Loyal Tigers who are accustomed to Best as Standard!
That said Brownell has been given 13 Years and ask yourself the Question
If Brownell was a Good Coach who developed Stars into Champions, then he
would have landed a Tree Rollins..btw Tree's Sr year was my freshman year.
Championships Championships Championships Brownell has had 13 years and No Championships
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Re: Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
May 13, 2023, 10:45 AM
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I like Brad and think he is a terrific guy, great father, etc. and always get irritated when those that no longer want his as our basketball coach are called haters. Totally ridiculous and they should be ashamed. It is not about Brad and what kind of person he is. It is about the Clemson basketball program. The one question I would ask ........ if we let Brad go today, would he land a job in another power five or even group of five type school in the next couple of years? If not ..... why?
PS: I'm not advocating firing Brad, as I do not really know our commitment to basketball. But it would be strange if we were not committed, since we seem to have major commitments to soccer, baseball, lacrosse, softball, etc.
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Re: Brownell. What is it about all you Brownell critics?
May 13, 2023, 10:57 AM
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Ok everyone QUIT thinking you are experts because CU1966 is the ONLY expert. Just ask him he’ll tell you what to think ….13 years and not really iin any better shape … expert that!!!
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The old saying: "If you have to ask"
May 13, 2023, 11:36 AM
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How does it feel to be one of "them"?
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