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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 3:45 PM
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hope he’s okay
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Girard is ok, waving him off “like mediocre coach” get off me.
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Or was he testing it out to see if there was nerve damage - like
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Jan 11, 2024, 3:55 PM
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"my crappy coach just got on my last nerve while I can't throw this orange ball thingy into the ocean from the surf line" ?
There might be nerve damage.
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Re: Or was he testing it out to see if there was nerve damage - like
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That’s brutal considering the kid is top 9 all-time three-point-shooting. He’s a much better player than BrownL is a coach. That’s assault. I guess it’s mild considering Knight used to throw chairs at kids. Girards talent is wasted. As is every kid on this roster. I’d be happy with someone like Bruce Pearl.
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Re: Or was he testing it out to see if there was nerve damage - like
Jan 12, 2024, 1:47 PM
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Inguess girard's talent was wasted at syracuse too
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 3:45 PM
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Wow, missed that too! Girard didn't even look at him and gave him a little arm shake. That is a bad look.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 3:55 PM
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Yeah, either way you look at it. Not good. Some of the comments on Twitter were pretty bad. I don't pay attention to coaches on the sidelines too much but I hope that's a normal thing.
Seems to be a lot coming out nowadays about his potty mouth etc. Not that I care what he says. That could be the norm for all I know. I'm usually watching on mute anyway.
I'll defer to you xperts that attend events. Just hope it doesn't grow legs.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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I think its reaching a tipping point and a lot more people are pointing things out about CBB. Several times I heard there was a big possibility that PJ wasnt returning unless CBB came back. True or not, I don't know, but I sure hope one player doesn't have that kind of power. With PJs return and a decent stock of players, this year had higher hopes on the team and once again the fans started to buy-in. CBB's stock is going down and voices are getting louder.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:22 PM
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Unfortunately Neff, at least indirectly, acknowledged this in his comments when retaining Brad. He acknowledged it more directly in our email communications.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 3:48 PM
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Wasn’t there a former player whose family accused Brad of abuse? Correct me if I’m wrong.
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Jan 11, 2024, 3:51 PM
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Wonder if JK and Ilk are as concerned about this as they are about Dabo yelling and Kinards son?
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 3:52 PM
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Wasnt that the last Womens Bball coaches son? Oliver or something like that? People chaulked it up to bad blood since mother got canned?
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 3:54 PM
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He's extremely lucky he didn't get T'd up for it. It would have drawn a lot more eyeballs than it is going to now.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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That is ridiculous for Brownie to do that. He's feeling the pressure, and it's time for him to go. His post game was nothing but finger pointing at players and calling them out by name. No accountability for his coaching deficiencies
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Girard’s body language says it all… we have a culture problem
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Do we have a basketball culture ? Is there a link to Brad saying what he wants
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to do with the program and where he wants to take it and how he is going to get there ?
Something that lays the groundwork for culture ? Anything ?
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Re: Do we have a basketball culture ? Is there a link to Brad saying what he wants
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This is correct, Clemson basketball has no direction under Brad . It’s exactly like Clemson football under Tommy Bowden. Bowden had no plan and no goals other than to win 10 games, and for fans to quit complaining I’ve never once heard Brownie speak about goals or attainment other than “making the post season”. There’s no vision at all. He’s just a coach drawing a paycheck until they’ve had enough.
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bad look for both of them
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:01 PM
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surprised i missed it watching the game... surprised the announcers didn't pick up on it
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Those morons?***
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:15 PM
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Definitely not a good look. Is that allowed in the rules for a coach to touch players on the court while play is live? At least he didn't go all Woody Hayes and slug that VT dude having a career night.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:23 PM
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No. It's should have been a technical for touching anything "live" in the court of play. It was a live-ball situation.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:21 PM
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Not a good look.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:30 PM
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WTH is wrong with Brownell?? That's embarrassing and Girard's arm flick back at him with no eye contact is pretty telling. Frustration is setting in for sure.
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Wow. I knew Brownell was prone to verbal outbursts of profane language
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:42 PM
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and I heard rumors of player abuse, but I no idea he was capable of such violence toward a player. This is not a good look for Brownell. He has embarrassed himself and Clemson. Has he made a public statement regarding his short temper, violence toward players, and incessant profanity? He owes Clemson an apology and explanation.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:54 PM
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just now seeing this, i realize it may not be a hard shove, but like others pointed out just makes brownell look unhinged, he's definately feeling the pressure of this 3 game losing streak, and to be so animated towards one of your best players/shooters a senior, who it didn't really matter where he was on the floor at that moment. He really is looking like a clown right now.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
Jan 13, 2024, 10:46 AM
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That is not abnormal. It happens quite often and this is nothing to do about nothing! My coach did that to me if I was not where I was supposed to be. As for Girard, I did not like his response.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:56 PM
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CBB is definitely feeling the pressure.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
Jan 11, 2024, 4:59 PM
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Looks like Brownell is losing his team.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 7:21 PM
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I think you misspelled lost. If he’s telling PJ to go inside and he’s not doing it and he’s pushing Girard like that, the locker room is long lost. I heard him yelling “what are you doing, Wiggins?!?” during a game earlier this year. At the time I didn’t think too much of it, but it sure doesn’t sound like it was an exception.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 5:11 PM
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Maybe that's why they have the TV camera positioned at Littlejohn to not show the bench. Instead it shows the old people sitting by the court.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 5:39 PM
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Funny those 2 ball bags that defend Brownlee all day have no comment.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 7:30 PM
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They’ve been too busy trying to convince others that Dabo isn’t good enough to coach at Bama.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 5:46 PM
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Moving a player into the correct position on the floor. Kid knows where he should be and wasn’t. Nothing wrong with what he did.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 7:24 PM
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Except that it is against the rules to touch a player while play is live. The response from Girard is more telling than anything else.
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I think coaches can move players on the court in the preschool leagues
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Jan 11, 2024, 8:40 PM
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But at some point they are told to stay on the sidelines.
Pretty sure it’s long before college.
Not sure how this can be spun as anything besides a bad look for the coach.
I think we’re capable of snapping the losing streak and playing better…but if we lose the mental game/team chemistry, etc…we are not good enough to win on talent alone.
They need a couple of ‘get right’ games…like BC & GT at home…hopefully that can get some of the early season mojo back.
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Not as bad as Shaka Smart playing D against
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Jan 12, 2024, 1:46 PM
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either Seton Hall or Creighton in the last couple of weeks. Yes, by the book it’s a technical but most refs aren’t going to call that if it’s his own player and doesn’t affect the play without at least a warning. They ignore them being outside the box all the time - not much different. I’ve got no dog in the keep/get rid of Brownell fight other than it’s kind of stupid to try and do a performance review on this season 4 games into conf play. Just like it would have been stupid when we were 10-0 or whatever we were prior to Memphis. When I look at a conference schedule, my hope is we get 10 - defend the home court and make up for any losses on the road. Outside of UNC and Duke, that’s really what the rest of the league teams have always tried to do because they know how hard it is. With this years team, you hope to steal a couple more against some basement teams on the road(that’s if you are lucky enough to have those games based on imbalanced schedule). The NET is another subject and diff thread all together as it doesn’t factor with its prejudgment and anti-ACC bias the difficulty of winning on the road in conference.
People are blowing everything out of proportion to try and mount internet evidence for justification when none of that will matter in the end. What will matter is where we finish in the league, will we make the NCAA, how will we perform in post-season tournaments(ACC and NCAA if applicable).
I still think we will be 3-3 in the league this time next week with 7 home and 7 away games left and I think the back of our schedule should be a tad easier but who knows. Teams get better and some get worse in the 2nd half of the season. Looking at the schedule preseason, I figured we’d drop 2-3 non conf and be anywhere from 0-4 to 2-2 in the ACC based on who we were playing and where(3 rd games in first 4). Had us 2-4 to 4-2 after the first 6. So I still anticipate us being right in the middle of that and ahead of where I thought overall. We do need to get Jack Clark back though. Not as concerned about Hemenway as kind of expected him to be hurt as usual.
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I wanted to shove Girard all night
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Jan 11, 2024, 6:09 PM
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Kid doesn’t play defense and makes boneheaded decisions on offense. Can’t blame Brad for basically saying, if you ain’t gonna listen to me, I’ll just move you myself.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 7:03 PM
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Interesting that Mouuntaineer and Judge don't respond to this post...
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
Jan 12, 2024, 1:51 PM
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Not a great look, but not worried about it. People are so soft around here
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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They were too busy trying to convince people
That Dabo isn’t good enough to coach at Alabama.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 7:13 PM
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Who does Brown-L think he is? Bobby Knight?
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If Dabo had done this everyone here would defend him
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Jan 11, 2024, 7:27 PM
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Since it's Brad it's unacceptable.
I get it, I'm getting sick of Brad too, but I don't think this is that big of a deal.
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Yes, if Dabo did it, he would be applauded for being old school
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and demanding excellence from his players.
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Re: Yes, if Dabo did it, he would be applauded for being old school
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Just couldn't waste your opportunity to take yet another shot at Dabo, huh? Lord you're pathetic.
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It's not a shot at Dabo at all, it's a shot at most of you who post here.
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You would react differently if it were Dabo, and you know it.
I don't have a problem with it, regardless of who does it.
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Righhhtttttttttttttt . . . . . lol. During play. And the player doesn't
Jan 12, 2024, 12:53 PM
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like it one bit. And you are good with it no matter who does it ? lol . . . . you are special.
I'm SURE you went all holier-than-thou when Dabo chewed out - BUT DIDN'T TOUCH - Andy Teasdale when he nearly cost us the ACC Championship Game several years ago.
I'm SURE you were VERY condemning.
But maybe you weren't the troll then that you are now ? We were winning a LITTLE bit more then than we are right now - so you probably weren't.
Plus you have refined your 'hole-ary a good bit, too, since then.
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The most unsettling aspect of this is the complete lack of
Jan 12, 2024, 12:50 PM
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situational awareness from our head coach there. Basketball is a tough, physical game, and there's no doubt that practices at this level are in that same vein. But losing your composure like that in the middle of a live play, where you enter the court and lay your hands on a player, any player, is a bad sign. Keep in mind that this is from a coach who has earned exactly ONE technical foul in his 13+ seasons at the helm, so it's not like he's ever been any kind of firebrand in that area or overly emotive.
With the noticeable rise in profanity and now this type of activity this season - he really seems to be losing his cool, and along with it his authoritative status.
At the 3+ minute mark of the UNC game Brad blew off Billy Donlon at the beginning of a timeout. Whatever Donlon's messaging was Brad didn't want to hear it. We continued our scoreless drought from there until the end of the game, including a PJ Hall who looked completely out of sync on two free throw attempts that had no chance of going in.
We've seen Brad flail during season-ending and game-ending stretches - it's part of his thing. Maybe we're simply seeing what it looks like when that happens at the culmination of a long and middling 13+ seasons.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 11, 2024, 7:28 PM
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I didn’t see this during the game either. Not a good look at all and really gives the impression that the players (maybe understandably) don’t have any respect for the coach. But the overreaction in some of these responses is gold. This is not “assault” nor is it “violence “. It is very poor judgement and coaching but that’s about the worst you can call it, IMO.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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This is horrible. Neff and Brownell should make a public apology.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
Jan 12, 2024, 11:09 AM
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It always helps your winning percentage when you fight with yourself. Dumb move and should have been technical.
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What would you do, besides fall down, if
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Brownlee did this to you?
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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I don’t think what he did is so unusual, but the combination of what he did and the reaction by Girard seems to show some underlying mutual respect issues. Gives me the impression that the locker room atmosphere is not good, and that is not a very positive indicator for the rest of the season.
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Brown-smell channelling his inner Bobby Knight...***
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Calm down people
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Girard was way out of position walking and stacked up. Imagine seeing that in football on a route. The coach got his attention by moving him. Perhaps that's against the rules but it wasn't called. I don't think anyone here is mad about a technical not being called, but that this is some sort of abuse and Girard's reaction confirms it.
Girard is watching the ball. If he took his focus away from bball to stare down Brownell, then we'd have a problem. He throw an OK back at coach and moved. Most good coaches are passionate.
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Re: Calm down people
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Jan 12, 2024, 1:53 PM
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I saw dabo once push a player on the field when we didnt have enough players. I was so frightened.
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Re: Calm down people
Jan 13, 2024, 9:08 AM
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Wow, someone sounds a tad soft.
To be clear, I mean you… you are soft.
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Re: Calm down people
Jan 13, 2024, 11:03 AM
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Re: Calm down people
Jan 13, 2024, 11:07 AM
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One thing, that’s very consistent ->, people who think they are smarter than others, consistently are not
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Re: Calm down people
Jan 13, 2024, 3:10 PM
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C’mon Mountain, if you’re gonna make a joke you gotta type in sarcasm…
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Re: Calm down people
Jan 13, 2024, 10:26 AM
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Have you ever seen him touch a player during a play? Or are you just going to continue making things up as you go along? That was a weak troll attempt, troll.
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Re: Calm down people
Jan 13, 2024, 11:02 AM
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Ok so your issue is not the push at all. It was the fact that brad somehow messed up a play?
A push is a push to me, but i guess you are arguing that depending on the scenario, a push could have varying degrees bad. Makes total sense
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Re: Calm down people
Jan 13, 2024, 11:17 AM
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Still laughing at this terrible take.
If you want a player to be somewhere they are not, it's completely ethical to push them IF they are not on the field of play.
If they are on the field of play when the push occurs, it is completely unethical. 10-4!
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
Jan 12, 2024, 11:49 AM
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It's almost as if Girard is telling Brownlee.....
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A thread about Dabo shoving a player and other negativity
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Jan 12, 2024, 12:22 PM
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wouldn't be allowed here, but since it's Brad it stays.
So that's B.S.
With that said, I don't think it's anything more than a coach being frustrated with his player and instinctively trying to get him to go to the right spot. I don't consider it abuse.
What bothers me most is the way Girard seemed to ignore him and even waved him off. That's concerning, but hopefully it was just two competitors who were caught up in the emotions of the moment. I'm sure they discussed it later and worked through it. It happens in sports.
Now, if an apparent rift continues moving forward, then we would have a problem.
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Re: A thread about Dabo shoving a player and other negativity
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Jan 12, 2024, 12:28 PM
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But you lost your mind when Dabo yelled at Kinards son... it was a najor issue! Now, just something that happens in "the heat of the moment" when its ol Brad! Typical JK
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No, I didn't lose my mind at all with the Dabo/Kinard situation.
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Jan 12, 2024, 12:35 PM
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In fact, I said that there are two sides to every story, and the truth was probably somewhere in the middle.
I don't mind Dabo (or any coach) coaching someone hard. They might even get upset. That's okay. What's not okay is verbally abusing a player. That goes for Dabo, Brad, or any other coach.
I wasn't at the practice in question where Dabo supposedly verbally abused Kinard. I'm assuming you weren't either. So we don't know exactly what happened.
What I do know is this:
1. Many of you rushed to the defense of Dabo, never even considering that Kinard might be telling the truth.
2. Many people here began attacking Kinard, calling him all sorts of names and wishing bad things to happen to him and his family.
3. Dabo doubled down when asked about it, and offered no evidence that he might have said things he shouldn't, nor did he express any sort of regret that a player he supposedly cares about might have been inadvertently hurt. Instead, Dabo suggested that Kinard and anyone else who had a problem with it might not be cut out for football.
I fully acknowledge that Dabo might've lost his temper, cursed, and even said over the top things to Kinard when he was coaching him. It happens. But when it does, it would be nice for it to be accompanied by an apology or at least a recognition that it came across too harsh. Dabo didn't do that.
My hope is that Brad and Girard have already talked about the situation, acknowledged the emotions they both felt in the moment, apologized as necessary, and decided to move forward. That's what adults do. Unfortunately, neither Dabo nor Kinard seemed to do that following their issue.
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Re: No, I didn't lose my mind at all with the Dabo/Kinard situation.
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Jan 12, 2024, 12:51 PM
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I haven’t defended Dabo or TK. I said that day that I wasn’t there so I cannot accurately form an opinion. That is completely a “he said, she said” situation for all of us that weren’t there. The basketball situation is different in that we all saw what happened. I have said that IMO it isn’t anywhere near assault or violence as some have described it. But it is fair to be critical of Coach Brownell because we all saw him at the very minimum violate a rule that could have resulted in a technical foul being called. And it obviously created a negative reaction from Girard. The reaction from Girard is very concerning but also pretty justifiable. I had a very tough HS basketball coach who grabbed my jersey and got right in my face, spitting and cussing, once in practice. My reaction was to play the way he wanted and never give him a reason to do that again. Had he done it in a game in public we would have had a problem. Bottom line, comparing the Dabo/TK situation to this one is apples and oranges.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 12, 2024, 1:10 PM
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Maybe this clip gives us an indication of why the team attitude has gone south tha past couple of weeks. Rot starts at the top.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
Jan 12, 2024, 1:23 PM
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Not exactly a Woody Hayes moment, but interesting. He clearly wanted him in the corner and was strongly making that point 
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 12, 2024, 1:48 PM
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No one puts Joey n the corner.
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That was weird. Was Girard supposed to be somewhere else? Strange***
Jan 12, 2024, 1:25 PM
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 12, 2024, 1:57 PM
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anyone that thinks there is anything at all to this is a complete moron and undoubtedly a biden voter. this happens all the time on the court. seen it many times. i know a lot of yall hate brownell but at least find something real to complain about. this aint it. that this is even a thread is laughable and should be removed by the mods but i know that will never happen here.
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
Jan 13, 2024, 1:11 PM
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WOW. Let’s make a bigger mountain out of this mole hill !
The Brownell hate that many of you have has become a terrible disease
Get a life. AND. Go Tigers
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Re: Brownell shoving Girard during play
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Jan 13, 2024, 9:55 AM
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If he can't handle that then get gone! And someone on the thread said that it was "assault ". Looool . The generations are getting softer and softer.
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