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Being 8-3 with the loses being to three pretty decent teams
Dec 20, 2013, 12:16 AM
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away from Littlejohn in games where our play was actually very competitive seems pretty good to me.
Winning away from home is tough. Winning games at Auburn, at Arkansas,and on a neutral court to UMASS is not something that should just be expected of this team.
The games we've lost were games that were considered in the "L" column for anyone who had reasonable preseason expectations for this year.
This is a squad with no seniors, and a group of big men who have potential, but no experience ... and yet, we are winning the games we should win by big margins.
And we're playing very competitive basketball on the road in games we probably shouldn't expect to win.
I think this team has a great chance be an NCAA team in years to come, but not this year. To simply have a good enough record to compete in the NIT is plenty for this bunch.
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Re: Being 8-3 with the loses being to three pretty decent teams
Dec 20, 2013, 1:51 AM
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BS dude, UMASS was the only decent team, Auburn and Arkansas are horrible, we were a 6 point favorite for God sake against Auburn. BROWNLEE can't get it done in the close games, fire him and Leggett!!!!!
###### leadership means "L's"!!!!
F-ing ridiculous!!!!!
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^^^This guy^^^^
Dec 20, 2013, 6:47 AM
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does not get it...
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Re: Being 8-3 with the loses being to three pretty decent teams
Dec 20, 2013, 7:10 AM
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> BS dude, UMASS was the only decent team, Auburn and
> Arkansas are horrible, we were a 6 point favorite for
> God sake against Auburn. BROWNLEE can't get it done
> in the close games, fire him and Leggett!!!!!
> ###### leadership means "L's"!!!!
> F-ing ridiculous!!!!!
Why don't you go coach the team. You must be a great BB coach.
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Re: Being 8-3 with the loses being to three pretty decent teams
Dec 20, 2013, 5:17 AM
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I tend to agree but if this team is to have any shot
at the "Big Dance",it's games like last night that you have to win,regardless if it's on the road or not.
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Agree, but "The Big Dance" not realistic for this season ...
Dec 20, 2013, 9:55 AM
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I agree with you that not winning those games makes it tough to make the NCAAs, but I didn't think the NCAAs were within reach this season anyway. We're probably at least a year away at the moment.
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Auburn is an awful basketball team..........................
Dec 20, 2013, 5:21 AM
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Clemson does what Clemson basketball does looks great at home and awful on the road.......... This team has no inside game none at all.......... They also have very little outside shooting........ It will be another long season in the ACC...........
I was hoping I was wrong about this team, but I wasn't this team look great early because of the extra time in the fall. ........... They will still struggle with outside shooting and no post play, they will go four to five minutes without scoring and that will cost them several games.........
Please don't think this was a good loss Auburn is awful..................................... So Clemson is awful........... Our best two wins USC who very very bad and Davidson who is also bad....... Clemson will finish where expected in the ACC around 12 to 14..................
Also please don't blame Brownell this is a Clemson problem and will always be a Clemson problem until we take basketball seriously........... Right now we deserve the team we have and will continue to have a bad team until we start supporting basketball........
OP was a winner and we let him leave because we are cheap and treated him like crap............. Maybe Brownell will get it done........... But we should have never let OP leave.............. That is all on the Athletic Department............ Remember he had the third best record in the ACC the last three years at Clemson and took us to our second ACC title game in school history............ I know he didn't win a game in the big dance .................. We have sooooooooo many of those how dare him......................
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Re: Auburn is an awful basketball team..........................
Dec 20, 2013, 6:26 AM
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I agree with your statement re Auburn. They are a horrible BBall team!!!
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Re: Auburn is an awful basketball team..........................
Dec 20, 2013, 7:01 AM
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We didn't let OP leave OP left for 3 reasons....
1) he got caught cheating on his wife. This was the main one and the reason he left so abruptly with out having the balls to tell his team. (Nice leadership btw)
2) He had plateaued he could see it and so could everyone else. His "star" recruiting class was a bunch of busts and he started grabbing desperation players like BOBo who never fit his system.
3) DePaul was stupid enough to give him 7 Million.
Those are the FACTS of your heroes departure.
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Re: Auburn is an awful basketball team..........................
Dec 20, 2013, 7:13 AM
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> Clemson does what Clemson basketball does looks great
> at home and awful on the road.......... This team has
> no inside game none at all.......... They also have
> very little outside shooting........ It will be
> another long season in the ACC...........
>
> I was hoping I was wrong about this team, but I
> wasn't this team look great early because of the
> extra time in the fall. ........... They will still
> struggle with outside shooting and no post play, they
> will go four to five minutes without scoring and that
> will cost them several games.........
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> Please don't think this was a good loss Auburn is
> awful..................................... So Clemson
> is awful........... Our best two wins USC who very
> very bad and Davidson who is also bad....... Clemson
> will finish where expected in the ACC around 12 to
> 14..................
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>
> Also please don't blame Brownell this is a Clemson
> problem and will always be a Clemson problem until we
> take basketball seriously........... Right now we
> deserve the team we have and will continue to have a
> bad team until we start supporting
> basketball........
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> OP was a winner and we let him leave because we are
> cheap and treated him like crap............. Maybe
> Brownell will get it done........... But we should
> have never let OP leave.............. That is all on
> the Athletic Department............ Remember he had
> the third best record in the ACC the last three years
> at Clemson and took us to our second ACC title game
> in school history............ I know he didn't win a
> game in the big dance .................. We have
> sooooooooo many of those how dare
> him......................
OP was not a winner, look at therecord he has now. He had NO BB players on any of the CU teams, he also left the cupboard bare when he left.
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Re: Auburn is an awful basketball team..........................
Dec 20, 2013, 8:33 AM
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Last night was the first game we lost this year that we should have won. We need that one player who can create his own shot in a half court set like Auburn had down the stretch. KJ is great but still struggles some in this area. Hall has improved and I am impressed with his free throw shooting but still struggles a little when the shot clock is running down. Does anyone know why Coleman is getting very little playing time? He seems to be one of our players who has some offensive skill. Not sure if he is not good on the defensive end or what. Thinking we could have used him down the stretch last night when we were srtruggling for points.
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Re: Auburn is an awful basketball team..........................
Dec 20, 2013, 8:35 AM
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I UNDERSTAND COLEMANS problems are on the defensive side.
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Brad is in a really tough situation and it just got harder
Dec 20, 2013, 8:53 AM
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with the expansion of the ACC.....at one of the if not the worst basketball school in the conference....at a school that historically hasn't placed much emphasis/importance on the sport...the conference just added Louisville----a national champ from last yr......Notre Dame---a very solid program who makes the NCAA tournament most years......Syracuse---one of the top programs from the past 30 yrs....and Pitt---a solid program as well over the past 15 yrs.
You add that into the fact that NC and Duke get more McDonalds AA's in one year than we get in my lifetime. We simply just don't have the talent to compete with them right now. I'll be shocked if he turns this around. That's not a dig at Brad....simply the fact that it's going to take a decade of steady growth to get the program into the top eight of the ACC. Either Brad or the fans will run out of patience before that much time passes.
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You can see the true improvement Brownell has coached
Dec 20, 2013, 8:59 AM
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into our players, so I think he has the ability to get us to the mid-tier of the ACC.
And frankly, that's all Clemson will ever be for the foreseeable future, we will never be a top echelon basketball program.
The ACC royally screwed Clemson this year in scheduling too...
1/11: v. Duke
1/15: @ VT
1/18: v. Wake
1/21: @ Pitt
1/26: @ UNC
2/1: @ FSU
2/4: v. GT
2/9: @ Syracuse
2/11: @ Notre Dame
Honestly, that's 9 games in a row we will probably lose, 3-6 at absolute best.
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I agree there's no doubt we have improved
Dec 20, 2013, 9:03 AM
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but as we see in football if you want to compete with the top teams you need the 4 and 5 star players. There is only so much you can do when you're dealing from a talent deficit. You see it in football at GT----they've tried to go with a gimicky offense to make up for the talent deficit. They are a 7-5 team most years. Brad has definitely improved but when you're playing against future NBA players and you don't have ONE on your team that's a lot to ask.
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I don't understand the cop out of saying the school
Dec 20, 2013, 9:18 AM
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doesn't place much emphasis on the sport. What would people suggest Clemson do to plae more emphasis on the sport? The fans fill the arena when there is a decent product. The school pays big bucks to coaches. And why don't the coaches just not take the job if they think it is such an unwinnable situation?
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it's not a cop out....out of the original ACC schools we've
Dec 20, 2013, 9:40 AM
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had the least amount of success by far....we're the only original ACC school who's never made the final four...never won the ACC tournament. We care about football far more than basketball. We've spent much more money on football facilities and coaches than basketball. It's what we care about.
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But how does that equate to a lack of emphasis by the
Dec 20, 2013, 9:46 AM
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university now? What can the university do now to eliminate the excuse tha the school doesn't put emphasis on the sport.
As far back as 1975, they were paying big bucks to coaches, had a brand new 10,0000 seat arena, had a radio network that covered the state, etc.
What can the school do at this very point to prevent people from being able to use the excuse that the school doesn't put emphasis on the sport?
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a few things that may help or may not at this point
Dec 20, 2013, 9:59 AM
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if you look at our football facilities they are amongst the top facilities in the nation and we are continuing to invest in them. No one would say our basketball facilities are amongst the top 100. We are obviously planning for new facilities at this point but they are merely drawings to kids now and may or may not be done by the time they come and go.
We did have an arena in 75 but we were playing catch up as well at that point with the rest of the ACC. They made a commitment in the 50's when we didn't. We were 30 yrs behind them by the time we decided to try and win. Now there's essentially no way to catch Duke and NC on a consistent basis just like there's no real way for the bottom of the league in football to catch up with the top on a regular basis.
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No matter what we do, it won't happen over night ...
Dec 20, 2013, 10:12 AM
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Just suddenly "emphasizing" basketball is a hard thing to do.
We've always treated basketball like Duke treats football.
And our results in basketball have pretty much been like Duke's in football.
It's just not a top priority with fans or the administration and it never has been.
When Frank Howard as athletic director let Press Maravich slip away over a $2,000 a year raise, he more or less stated his case ... that Clemson doesn't care about keeping up with the ACC in basketball.
When we hired Tates Locke, we "got serious" ... but we also got serious NCAA sanctions that come with a school like Clemson trying to buy a place among the elite.
When we hired Rick Barnes, we got serious again, but Rick could see the writing on the wall and he skipped town for greener pastures (or whatever theory you ascribe to) which is likely to happen with any really good coach we land.
A great established coach won't come. A great potential coach won't stay.
Maybe the best we can hope for is the basketball equivalent of Cutcliffe ... but then again, we've probably already had that guy in Bill Foster.
I dunno ... there are no easy answers.
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for all the good Frank did for football he probably did as
Dec 20, 2013, 10:18 AM
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much harm/lack of help...whatever you want to call it....to basketball. Unless it's a priority for the fans it will never be for the school/administration. We show up when we win but outside of that we take a nap after the bowl game until spring.
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How is Auburn a pretty decent team? They lost to
Dec 20, 2013, 9:15 AM
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Northwestern State 111-92 and had a 500 record.
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Didn't North Carolina lose to Belmont College?
Dec 20, 2013, 10:14 AM
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Auburn IS a decent team.
I think Auburn is every bit as talented as Clemson this year and they were playing at home.
If we play Auburn in Littlejohn, we beat them.
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Re: Haven't seen your basketball play, nor SC either...
Dec 20, 2013, 10:51 AM
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but the only warning I would give is do not let your admin Darrin Horn your basketball program.
By this I mean do not let an AD become so protective over a hire that he sticks it to the basketball fans to a point that he drives them away for good, like SC did with the Darrin Horn fiasco.
It was perfectly obvious after Horn's third year that he was in way, way over his head, but I suspect the AD at SC got in a tizzy that he simply was not going to let the fans who wanted SC to hire Gregg Marshall instead of Horn to get their way even if it meant squandering the opening of the new beautiful arena.
So SC kept Horn for his fourth year....horrid season...SC fans made an uproar not to let the slide go lower but the AD kept Horn round again...SC fans responded by stayihg away in droves I think to get Horn gone....but apparently this made the AD even more determined to have his way, so he kept Horn around for another 5-20 season with the result that the program is so damaged for a decade or more.
So the AD let his ego in having made a horrible decision put him on a course to which he kept Darrin Horn around for 3 to 4 years after he should have been fired. Horn did so much damage to the program that it will take a decade or more to revive to being competitive even with the Davidson, CofC schools...much less with real college basketball.
Haven't watched a game in 4 years and when people ask why...my response is always the same....let me know when they get 3 players who can shoot and make a 15ft jump shot.
Somebody has forgotten to tell this current crop of coaches that the freaking goal of basketball is putting the ball in the basket.
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Brownell was hired by Terry Don Phillips ... new AD is not
Dec 20, 2013, 1:38 PM
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likely to be particularly protective of TDP's hire.
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