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All-TigerNet [10183]
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Bad situation
Nov 5, 2012, 7:07 PM
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Lockheed Martin is laying off 123,000 workers just weeks before Christmas, Lockheed is going to lay off the defense workers due to Obama's downsizing of the military and then there are the other smaller contractors who will be laying off. The worst part of this is Obama wants to use tax payer money to get them to delay the announcement until after the election! The President is trying to hold off any announcement until after the election because this will make a significant increase to the questionable 7.8 % unemployment number. The law requires Lockheed to give 60-day notice to all to-be-fired employees, that drop dead date would be November 1st. Since this would be devastating for his reelection, Obama has promised that our government would cover all Lockheed severance packages to fired employees if Lockheed would not release the names and locations of those losing their jobs until after the election! Do you have any idea how many millions that will cost the taxpayer? Thank you Obama!!
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Heisman Winner [112162]
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Really?
Nov 5, 2012, 7:23 PM
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Didn't 80 billion if our taxes go to Lockhead for the utter failure called the F22? Now you are going to #### and moan that the funding got cut?
You guys are unavailable. Somehow we are supposed to feel bad for a failure? When does Lockheed take accountability for this?
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Team Captain [458]
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Tigerbalm, do you really want to talk about failures?******
Nov 5, 2012, 7:37 PM
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CU Guru [1319]
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Documentation on the failure of the F22?
Nov 5, 2012, 7:37 PM
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Curious minds want to know what secret/top secret information you have.
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CU Guru [1319]
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Really, equivalent dogfight = failure?
Nov 5, 2012, 8:00 PM
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Clearly you have missed the past 30 years of air combat and the purpose of the F22.
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Heisman Winner [112162]
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Re: Really, equivalent dogfight = failure?
Nov 5, 2012, 8:07 PM
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when you can't fly it in the rain, 1 hour of flight=30 hours of maintenance, and 1 critical failure every 1.7 hours of flight time, and can't communicate with other aircraft, I would classify that as a failure. oh, and there is the price tag, it cost each tax payer in this county 500$ each.
I can go on if you like.
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Rock Defender [54]
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It was not designed as a dog fighter. The F-16 with a good
Nov 5, 2012, 8:17 PM
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pilot will beat anything in the air. Including the F-22. The F-22 was designed as a long range stealth fighter to engage multiple targets before in other planes and pilots radar & eyesight.
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Oculus Spirit [97939]
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Yep. No need to take a dog to a gunfight.***
Nov 5, 2012, 8:43 PM
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All-TigerNet [14751]
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No, don't think that is right, the F22 was designed to
Nov 5, 2012, 9:02 PM
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replace the F15 with the function of Air Superiority and was to and is a nasty dog fighter. Supposedly it could take out 5 F15s.
I mean we could probably both do a lot of research on the topic and compare the various dog fighting capabilities and I'm sure it had multi-functional rolls (these days you have to).
I'm not Air Force expert and I agree with you guys on the larger issue that the F22 is not a failure by any means.
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Team Captain [458]
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Photoshop us a picture of what 20 TRILLION
Nov 5, 2012, 7:39 PM
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bucks looks like.
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Rock Defender [54]
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The F-22 is in no way a failure, but like other military
Nov 5, 2012, 8:13 PM
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equipment & platforms of the past, it simply was not seen as needed at this time from a cost perspective. The reality is this, technology has gotten to the point where the planes have performance capabilities beyond that which the human body can handle. The future is smaller, faster, stealthier fighters controlled via satellite and remote control. The most valuable part of the equation is the pilot, but our incredible pilots will soon be surpassed by kids with incredible video game skills. That's the future.
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Re: The F-22 is in no way a failure, but like other military
Nov 5, 2012, 8:16 PM
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it has never been flown in Iraq or Afghanistan, John McCain campaigned on cancelling it too, but then again this is clearly Obama's fault.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Yes, based on money and need, but not failure. We simply
Nov 5, 2012, 8:18 PM
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do not need it, esp at such high unit cost.
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Heisman Winner [112162]
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Re: Yes, based on money and need, but not failure. We simply
Nov 5, 2012, 8:22 PM
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it had issues, that is why it has never once been flown in combat. it was an 80 billion dollar mistake intended for a foe that does not exist.
the reason I call it a disaster is that it was proof that our military can spend billions on something everyone knew we did not need.
but don;t tell ignorant miscreants like phock and RMT would would sooner launch a personal attack then do a simple google search.
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CU Guru [1319]
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Ignorant miscreant?
Nov 5, 2012, 9:10 PM
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You sir can go #### yourself.
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F22 a failure? What on Earth are you talking about?
Nov 5, 2012, 8:45 PM
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You clearly don't understand all the factors in why or how it would be used, its purpose, or why we are going another route. We have a lot of them in inventory, the aren't being retired, we simply reduced the total order.
We are going to the more affordable and more versatile Joint Strike Fighter in large part. You site the F22 no being used, well its main function is air superiority. We have absolutely no issue in conflicts like Iraq and Afghan with air superiority, it wouldn't be used there. It is a counter measure to a major conflict, like with China for example.
You really need to get a clue. Advanced weapons programs always have "problems" and get worked out over time. This is a highly advanced program that IS IN USE and serves an important function to our military.
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Heisman Winner [138357]
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link?***
Nov 5, 2012, 8:04 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83205]
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LOL***
Nov 5, 2012, 8:23 PM
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Orange Blooded [3396]
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Where did you hear this?
Nov 5, 2012, 8:42 PM
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Just curious about your source. Someone on the board of directors, I presume?
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