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I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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yet about our offensive woes. It was this: They (Herbstreit and another guy as video guests) said that Garrett Riley had to come in and learn THE CLEMSON OFFENSE, versus installing what he ran at SMU and TCU. I have a really hard time believing that Dabo would be that foolish, but what we saw against Duke certainly resembled in a big way what we saw the last couple of years.
Have we really purchased a Ferrari and put low grade recap tires on it? If so, it makes no sense whatsoever that Dabo canned Streeter.
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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Don't believe that for one second...***
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Re: Don't believe that for one second...***
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That's what Dabo said to Mullen and the two other guests on the show pregame. It was odd but I'd like to hear one of our reporters to ask he or Riley to clarify. I don't think, imo, he meant it like it came out.
Riley stated when he came that he wanted to simplify our offense.
Btw @spud posted a breakdown link this morning That's well worth the listen.
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There is no way you would hire a guy to come run YOUR
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offense, WHEN YOUR OFFENSE HAS BEEN TERRIBLE. Annnnnnnnd, no way RILEY, who could have taken any job that was open, would take such an offer. At least in my humble opinion......
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It's partly true.
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Sep 7, 2023, 6:13 PM
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You can't install a new offense in one season. We are in a year of transition. I hope and believe we will be where we are going toward the middle of the season.
As far as Riley having to learn the system, only a fool wouldn't take advantage of what the players are familiar with.
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WHAT???
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Sep 7, 2023, 6:33 PM
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Clemson 2010 and Clemson 2011.
Don’t just say anything.
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And yet 2nd string TCU QB Max Duggan picked up Riley Offense
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You can't install a new offense in one season. We are in a year of transition. I hope and believe we will be where we are going toward the middle of the season.
As far as Riley having to learn the system, only a fool wouldn't take advantage of what the players are familiar with.
in Riley's first season at TCU and went on to make the playoffs and the natl championship game. Additionally, Duggan finished second in Heisman voting. Interesting ClemsonTiger1988®.
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Re: It's partly true.
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The players didn’t look very familiar with anything Monday night.
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Re: It's partly true.
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Yeah you can if Dabo allows it. But he’s not. That was the same #### show we saw for the last 3 years so Dabo needs quit thinking he knows offense coz he don’t.
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Re: It's partly true.
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You can absolutely install a new offense in one season…in the 90’s clemson had 4 different OC’s in 4 years. Do you think they all used the same offense? Nope. The only reason a new coordinator would us the same offense would be if that is what the head coach has insisted on. Chad morris, Tony Elliott and Brandon streeter ran the “clemson offense” because that is what they were told to do. And as with every other program the head coach can call plays anytime he wants…some coaches let the coordinators do their thing, some develop the game plan themselves and call all the plays…even though another coach holds the title of OC. Dabo falls on the middle, sometimes calls plays, sometimes doesn’t. Just depends on the game.
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Re: It's partly true.
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That’s nonsense
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Re: It's partly true.
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I’ve played organize team sports, and you can install a new offense in three practices. But it can take you half of season to get good at it.
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Disagree.
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Why bring in a new guy and give him all year to install his offense just to fall back on your old crappy plays that haven't worked in 2 years?
I mean, it looked like the same crappy offense but I am more hopeful that I don't know what I am seeing and it's just taking the team a while to adjust to the new RILEY offense.
As bad as our OL is, they did have some masterful pass blocking plays upon a second look.
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Re: It's partly true.
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Riley literally installed both the SMU and TCU offenses in one season. That's very typical for an elite coordinator. It's not as complicated as you're acting. If anything, Riley's offense is easier to learn for the newbies. It takes more seasons to get your kind of players into a system, but that's different.
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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There must be some glimmer of truth to it. The offense is not revolutionary yet, but I appreciated the creativity out of the 2 back set
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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We did the two back set last year too....
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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If I hadn't seen the game Monday night, I would have said that is total BS, but the plays run did look pretty much like the same plays that was run last season....
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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I think some ppl are forgetting how young cade is as a qb… he is going to be fantastic with time I fully believe… but he’s gotta have help at wr. I have a hard time we missed on this many ranked guys at the position which leads me to believe they aren’t being developed. I think some ppl thought cade was gonna be DW or TL and that happens very rarely and we were spoiled with it twice. Cade has that gunslinger mentality where he will throw picks and I’m fine with that if we are throwing it deep and throwing for 350 a game but not when we mostly rely on the run now and have long drives. If I’m really mad about anything is the scheduling… why are we goin on the road to open up seasons so often now when we were the face of the acc. If we would have gotten two cupcakes like 85% of the rest of college football a lot of these kinks would have been worked out and I bet anything if we played duke game 3/4 it’s completely diff
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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I agree with that. Cade may have gotten in 10 games as reported but imo only 4 last year were meaningful. Ga tech, cuse, unc, and UT. ND was one series, much like the other 6.
I really wish he'd have had a lot more meaningful snaps with the ones last year. We also need to keep in mind, Cade didn't have a couple of our wr in spring because of injuries. But Cade did make some headscratcher reads. Kinda like hunter Johnson had when he was back-up
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AS LONG AS DABO IS TOTING AROUND A PLAY SHEET AND
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DICTATING PLAYS, NOTHING WILL CHANGE. WE HAVE S U C K E D ON OFFENSE EVER SINCE HE THOUGHT HE COULD CALL PLAYS.
YES, I KNOW THIS LOOKS LIKE A DEROBERTS POAST.
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YES, YES IT DOES.
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In other related news, even Bimbo Fisher finally admitted this year that it is better to have somebody else calling plays other than the Head Coach. So, he hired Bobby ("Find me a volleyballer and a motorcycle, and all is right with the world") Petrino to call plays for him.
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LOL....Nice to be acknowledged, right?***
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How could he, if he is dictating the offense?
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Why would Riley sign on for that?***
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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Dabo said it himself. Riley was considered to run an air raid offense. Dabo told him he wasn’t interested in running a true Air raid. Riley had to know that before coming.
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I think Dabo knew we didn't have the talent at WR to go full Air Raid. We need some studs on the outside to make it work.
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You have to play the card you're dealt.
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Think about that guy who followed the triple option at GT. All the returners were seasoned vets of the triple option. To not have taken advantage of that would have been stupid. He had to replace all those guys and get talent suitable for his preferred offense.
If Riley stays we'll be doing the same. You don't run a rally car at Le Mans.
I'm not excusing the horrible play we saw Monday but I can see Clemson continuing in what the players are doing well, relatively speaking, and not that they set the woods on fire Monday. Actually, Imo, they set the dumpster on fire.
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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Dabo has also had an “us” and a “we” mindset. I highly doubt Dabo meant this as “Riley is just here to run plays.” OP neglected to mention what Herbstreit said in his response which is that Clemson is not focused on one guy. It’s about us as a program. It’s not about Cade, Riley, Shipley, etc.
You people think Dabo has fallen off his rocker. Also, to all those claiming Swinney ran the offense, you missed David hood saying the play calling was entirely Riley. The offense nor the defense is a single led unit. Everything goes through the other coaches, hence why Dabo said play calling is a collaborative effort. This does not mean the coordinators don’t have a say, I would imagine more often than not, the coordinators get most of the calls they want.
Nobody seems to think Dabo is calling defensive plays, yet the defense apparently still has the same issues as last year.
I get Dabo has some things he’s not willing to let go of, but if you think he’s not willing to do whatever it takes to get to a national championship again, you are lost.
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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I don't think anyone is saying he is dumb or senile, but we do question if being stubborn is keeping him from exploring all of his options.
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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I don’t think Dabo has fallen off his rocker at all. Sadly, I think he’s very clear on what he wants and thinks is right. But re: whatever it takes to win a title… please. With all due respect, Coach Swinney has said and repeatedly shown there are things he’s not willing to do in the new world of college football, pull scholarships, oversign, use NIL to attract and find talent in the portal, etc. It’s simply not accurate to say he’ll do whatever it takes to win a national title. He does what he thinks is right. His way. For better and worse. But by no means is it whatever it takes.
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
Sep 7, 2023, 8:48 PM
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How do you know for certain that he won’t change his stance if he sees that he cannot win doing it his way?
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Fair question and tbh none of us know that for certain. But the saying too little too late is cliche for a reason. Based on what I’ve seen the past few seasons, I personally believe the rate at which college football is changing, albeit for the worse, outpaces the rate at which Dabo makes changes. There’s evidence of that. Even something like changing the offense / OC- how much time do we have to integrate air raid with what Clemson does? A transition season? Another year behind recruiting at WR where we desperately need upgrades? We’ll see what happens in the next few weeks. Maybe we play that much better vs FSU and it’s something to build on. I just look at how we’re losing games the past 2 seasons and imo, the rate at which we have gone from beating elite teams (15-18) to competing with elite teams (19-20) to recently losing bad (ND, Tenn) and losing games we flat out shouldn’t be losing (S Carolina, Duke) makes me question what it will take for him to change his stance on some of these tenets of the program he holds dearly. The game is that different now. If we slowly change doing what Clemson does, it’s going to get increasingly harder to get back to national titles.
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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My interpretation. There is no Riley offense. There is no Dabo offense.
Whatever offense they run it's the Clemson offense.
He was making it clear it is a team effort.
In other words the success or failure is on Clemson
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
Sep 7, 2023, 6:23 PM
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This is exactly what it means. Herbstreit even said this.
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I dont want to believe it either but the first half looked
Sep 7, 2023, 6:23 PM
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Almost identical to last years. Who doesn’t know that Shipley is going to run it on first down?
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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I just went back and listened to the McAfee show and this is NOT how I heard it. The confusion is around how Dabo described the offense on the pregame show which I thought was a strange explanation at the time. Here it is for anyone that is interested. need to go to about the 5 minute mark if you don't want to listen to the whole thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfkRZipbw-M
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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I believe Riley is calling plays according to the capabilities of the talent with which he has to work. In other words, I don’t think we have players that can run his offense. I hope I’m wrong.
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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That is a scary thought which would mean TCU had more talent last year than we currently do.
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
Sep 7, 2023, 7:32 PM
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Hopefully we see Cade improve each week. While this year could slightly resemble 2014, I don’t think we have the overall development to talent ratio to match that team. In 2014 you could see the building blocks, now they come here and do not improve.
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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Accurate. The recent NFL draft tells the tale
TCU had the second overall WR selected in the first round trailing
only an OhioSt WR ( shocker ). They also had a 4th rounder.
At Clemson currently there are no NFL caliber WRs.
Dabo will claim Beaux Collins is an NFL WR
Maybe he is , maybe he isn't. I haven't seen it
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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Offense stays basic until Cade gets broke in and when we play a team with a pulse.
Problem is we are 0-1 against one of those teams.
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Theres no way that can be true
Sep 7, 2023, 10:51 PM
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Someone smart that way should be able to compare Monday’s plays to last season’s.
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Re: I just heard the most disturbing take on the Pat McAfee show
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Yeah exactly! But Dabo still running the show making how many million. I’m sick of his yada yada yada & nothing ever gets any better. He’s loving the salary but our team looks like dodo.
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Pure insanity if true.***
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If you continue listening...
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Herbie spun it into Dabo meaning "we are a team, we don't have Riley's offense or Goodwin's defense, we have a Clemson offense and defense". Basically meaning that everyone from the GA that washes the jock straps up to Dabo himself has input into what they run.
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