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Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 18, 2022, 10:39 PM
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on them to get separation and win the “50/50” ball? It appears we don’t have any interest in using the middle of the field. Very little imagination. Some will say it’s because we’re saving stuff for later, but that would be stupid. Using the entire field should be a standard part of the offense. The play callong should be helping the WRs gain separation.
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Dabo could’ve hired just about anyone he wanted to
Sep 18, 2022, 10:45 PM
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but he hired Streeter. I don’t even think he considered anyone else. There were no news reports about him interviewing anyone else. I don’t even think Streeter had a formal interview.
It’s maddening for a program with the success we have had over the last decade that we simply promoted a guy whose only offensive coordinator experience was years ago at Liberty and Richmond.
As I’ve said before, look at the qualifications of the OCs at Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State. The difference in those guys compared to Streeter is significant.
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Re: Dabo could’ve hired just about anyone he wanted to
Sep 18, 2022, 10:48 PM
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Shocking that he would promote the very person he intended to promote. Further shocking that he didn’t ask your opinion about it. Cry more.
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Re: Dabo could’ve hired just about anyone he wanted to
Sep 18, 2022, 10:55 PM
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He has a point. Streeter has a lot to prove, his resume is not typical of an OC of a top 5 program. Hope he proves Dabo right.
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Re: Dabo could’ve hired just about anyone he wanted to
Sep 18, 2022, 11:09 PM
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It was Dabo’s hire to make. He hired the person he wanted. Do you think he wasn’t aware that he could have hired outside his staff? Do you think he’s unaware that he could have spent more? JK is saying that he thinks he knows how to run, not just any college football program, Dabo’s football program better than Dabo. And the coordinator in question is 4-0 in the role. Before we try to bury the best head coach we’ve ever had why don’t we A) see how it works out B) see how he adapts if necessary?
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Dabo clearly isn't infallible
Sep 19, 2022, 8:31 AM
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It's fine to question whether he's made a mistake. He's done it before, and he's certainly capable of doing it now.
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Re: Dabo clearly isn't infallible
Sep 19, 2022, 8:55 AM
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Did I say he was infallible? That’s a strawman argument. He’s the coach and they’re his mistakes to make. On balance I’d say he’s done pretty good. Why so many are so eager to tear him down when a) he’s the best coach we’ve had b) he’s the second best active coach in football and c) even if a and b weren’t true we’re married to the guy for the next decade. So it seems like a real low reward proposition to to be sowing discord about our football program.
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Re: Dabo clearly isn't infallible
Sep 19, 2022, 10:54 AM
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Who the hell is tearing Dabo down? Hyperbole much? Don't understand why discussing if he made a mistake with a hire is blasphemy to some. Our offense sucked last year and we made the next guy up the OC. I'm pretty sure that anything I type on a message board is not going to sow discord with the football program.
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Mrs. Brownell makes a concerted effort to tear down
Sep 19, 2022, 11:07 AM
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everything related to football. It's obvious she does this in a twisted way to try and despressurize her husband's barely mediocre body of work, and she's comically ignorant when desperately trying to do so. That's one for sure.
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No one is tearing down the football program.
Sep 19, 2022, 1:52 PM
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Forgive some of us for caring about a program we have followed for decades, that represents our alma mater in the sports world, and not wanting to see it continue on the slide it's been on the last couple of years.
This has nothing to do with basketball, and you know it. The only people bringing up basketball in a football thread are those of you who are insecure about our football program. Maybe you should deal with that rather than continuing to attack me.
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Re: No one is tearing down the football program.
Sep 19, 2022, 2:24 PM
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You would complain about anything. We are 3-0 and getting better each game. This will be a great year.
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I hope it is a great year.
Sep 19, 2022, 2:31 PM
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I just don't see it, especially relative to our expectations for being an elite program.
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Have you and hubby spoke to a real estate agent yet?
Sep 19, 2022, 2:51 PM
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I know a couple in the Clemson area. Let me know and I'll hook you up because NOBODY "sees it".. especially after 12 years with one respectable season, 3 tournaments, and a lowly TWO tournament wins. Yet he's paid among the top 40 in America.
Your phony concern about the undefeated and best sports program in the history of Clemson University is misplaced.. but on purpose.
Good luck house-hunting, Mrs Brownell! We like your husband, we really do, but he's not worthy of coaching in the ACC with the 37th highest salary in the country. Be more concerned about things you actually have some knowledge about. Thanks.
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At least a several times per week and sometimes several times a day
Sep 19, 2022, 2:46 PM
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you make ignorant (lack of knowledge) attempts to drag the football program down to your husband's program level.
You're fooling some people Mrs B, but let's keep in mind that the majority board voted to have you and your petty ignorance removed.
Deep down you're a juvenile troll. It's obvious. You can blow all the smoke you want, but you can't change this simple fact.
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Funny, because I've never received any reprimand or warning
Sep 20, 2022, 11:09 AM
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from any of the board moderators here.
You, on the other hand, should be concerned because you regularly name call and insult others, namely me. That's against TigerNet's terms of service which you agreed to when you registered your account.
Since you seem to care so much about this board, and want me gone, perhaps you should do a better job of abiding by the rules here. You might also want to consider joining as a paying member too. The site owners would appreciate that.
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Speaking of Rules
Sep 20, 2022, 11:41 AM
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You break Rules 1,2,5,6,12,14, and Personal Attacks(as defined in TNet rules) consistently.
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Relax, no one is tearing him down.
Sep 19, 2022, 1:50 PM
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We all want to see continued success from our football program, and we want these new hires to be part of that success.
Honestly though, on paper Conn, Goodwin, and Streeter are unqualified to be coordinators for a program of our current stature.
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Re: Relax, no one is tearing him down.
Sep 19, 2022, 1:53 PM
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Virtually no one believes you are well intended anymore. It took a long time but you’re basically a villain on these boards now.
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Well, I'm here to discuss Clemson sports
Sep 19, 2022, 1:55 PM
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not win a popularity contest.
It's a shame that people like you get so caught up in personal vendettas against people's opinions you don't like.
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Re: Well, I'm here to discuss Clemson sports
Sep 19, 2022, 2:04 PM
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It’s more about you being of so low character that you use race baiting and misogynistic threads to try and make Clemson fans. That and your refusal to acknowledge that you lied about the Virginia and ran away when the video was posted. It’s still there. The ACC Network condensed game video. It’s actually quite funny. They comment on both the “sellout” raucous atmosphere and pan the crowd to show it is, in fact, a full house. So you have an obvious vendetta against Clemson and it’s fans.
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Re: Well, I'm here to discuss Clemson sports
Sep 19, 2022, 2:10 PM
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Can you give examples of race baiting and misogyny? Not saying it didn't happen, but I haven't seen them.
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Thank you.***
Sep 19, 2022, 2:13 PM
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Re: Well, I'm here to discuss Clemson sports
Sep 19, 2022, 2:18 PM
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When he trolled the board trying to start a discussion of why “blacks can’t coach” and his ridiculing of female kickers are two that come immediately to mind. The former being especially egregious and should have earned him a ban.
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See, you're trying to turn this into a personal attack
Sep 19, 2022, 2:22 PM
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because you don't like my opinions.
Please stop making things up.
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Wow, is that real?
Sep 19, 2022, 8:53 PM
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Only an overly sensitive, self entitled, know it all twat with a god complex would say something like that.
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Re: Wow, is that real?
Sep 19, 2022, 9:12 PM
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It’s very real, and it was double/triple downer after this. Not just quarantined, completely scrubbed.
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Again
Sep 19, 2022, 2:12 PM
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bringing up basketball in a football thread. That shows your inability to discuss something that makes you uncomfortable (which, predictably, is anyone questioning anything regarding Clemson football).
No wonder our fan base has a reputation for being insecure.
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Re: Again
Sep 19, 2022, 2:19 PM
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The response was appropriate to the comment it was replying to - which was personal and had nothing to do with football. A very weak attempt at deflection.
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No, it wasn't appropriate.
Sep 19, 2022, 2:27 PM
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You don't like my opinions, therefore you attack me.
Including in this thread.
Do better.
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Re: No, it wasn't appropriate.
Sep 19, 2022, 2:36 PM
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It’s not your opinions - it’s your behavior.
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Wow, you still won't admit that you were lying....
Sep 19, 2022, 4:16 PM
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Just proves your character.
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Calling you ignorant and jealous of football isn't a
Sep 19, 2022, 2:54 PM
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personal issue at all, Mrs B. You're confused and letting those lady-emotions cloud your thoughts .. as BS driven as they are.
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"for a program of our current stature"
Sep 19, 2022, 4:18 PM
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I'm confused, haven't you consistently argued that we aren't an elite program anymore?
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It's absolutely WAY TOO EARLY to question it.
Sep 19, 2022, 10:58 AM
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The play-calling is fine. What I see with my own eyes is a QB who has only marginally improved and still has a very long way to go if we want to be CFP material, I see an OL who is still working on coming together, and of course we're still seeing some drops.
CFP caliber QB play, blocking, and catching... get those things together and the offense will hum.
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Of course he's not perfect, but
Sep 19, 2022, 11:30 AM
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can you name two coaches who have made better decisions and done better since Dabo took over in 2009?
There's exactly ONE program with more wins and accomplishments since 2009.
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Look at who Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State
Sep 19, 2022, 1:54 PM
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have as their offensive coordinators, and compare them to ours.
You'll see a significant difference in their qualifications.
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It's scary how many people here seem to think
Sep 19, 2022, 1:48 PM
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that Dabo has never made a mistake and can never be questioned.
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Is today 9/26/2022?
Sep 19, 2022, 11:16 AM
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Street was the OC in the bowl game.
Sep 19, 2022, 11:25 AM
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He's 4-0
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Re: Street was the OC in the bowl game.
Sep 19, 2022, 1:30 PM
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Gotcha.
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Re: Dabo could’ve hired just about anyone he wanted to
Sep 19, 2022, 12:32 PM
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Dabo is building Clemson Football in his image. As viztiz® states, it's Dabo's call. Dabo has earned it. Saban runs a big business. Dabo values family and runs a mom-and-pop store. Saban hires Kiffin and Sark as OC. Dabo hires Streeter after Elliott. Kiffin and Sark are not the type of coaches that Dabo is seeking. But they have demonstrated they can out-perform Streeter, Elliott and Dabo on the offensive side of the ball almost any Saturday. It's the family and values side of the ball that Dabo focuses on, and there is also no chance of an Elliott or Streeter eclipsing Swinney as the center of attention, another side effect of hiring from within.
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Re: Dabo could’ve hired just about anyone he wanted to
Sep 19, 2022, 12:47 PM
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$115M ain't mom-and-pop store money. That's CEO money and the CEO won't hesitate to jettison anyone who can't deliver the results the CEO is getting paid to bring.
Dabo will *never* never be Nick Saban and I'm glad for that. Loathe Saban's vile sideline rants and sourpuss expression and industrialized brand of football. But he's got Saban's will to win and he won't settle for less. He'll get rid of them that can't bring the goods.
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Re: Dabo could’ve hired just about anyone he wanted to
Sep 19, 2022, 2:17 PM
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We're not paying him $115 million for him to look for coaches with family values who, as you admit, will get outcoached any Saturday. We pay him to win. Streeter seems like a good man. I remember he saved that woman in the car crash last year. I'd be happy to be his neighbor and go get a beer with him. He should not be anywhere near a coordinator position.
I hate this line of reasoning. Football is a billion dollar business. This is a man who is paid from the state treasury, 90 times more money than Henry McMaster. You're brought into a business to create value. There is no value derived by hiring inferior coaches (whom you admit are inferior) who are your buddies. It's the same argument people make for DJ, when they say he's put in the time and "earned" the position. You earn the position by being the best for the position.
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So in your world, no one can have an opinion about
Sep 19, 2022, 1:46 PM
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Dabo or the decisions he makes?
Of course we will be patient and see how it works out. In the meantime, I think we could've hired better and more qualified coordinators on both sides of the ball.
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Re: So in your world, no one can have an opinion about
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Sure you can. And I can point out you’re an idiot if you think you have better insight on how Dabo Swinney should run his program than he does. And, how many times do you find it necessary to express such an opinion. Maybe once or twice would indicate an honest attempt at simply having a discussion. But to spam the board with your negative opinions of the man who has already delivered us two national championships seems like an agenda not just having an opinion.
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So anyone who disagrees with Dabo = idiot?
Sep 19, 2022, 1:59 PM
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Wow.
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Re: So anyone who disagrees with Dabo = idiot?
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Not what I said but okay. I’ve disagreed with many things he’s done yet the results are speaking for themselves. The problem is you’re trying to portray us as in the midst of some major collapse. If winning ten games is so pedestrian how is that we are in the midst of the 2nd longest run in college football history? We’ve missed the CFP once in seven years. Instead of treating the 6 in a row as a landmark accomplishment you sh*t on it and act like it’s something due to us. We went decades without an ACC title and now finishing 4th in the country in 2020 and 2nd in 2019 deserves to have shade thrown.
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Re: Dabo could’ve hired just about anyone he wanted to
Sep 19, 2022, 2:21 AM
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another take might be that DJ often throws INTs in practice when trying throws to the middle of the field, so they avoid it in games.
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This is a valid point ... chances of an interception
Sep 19, 2022, 9:11 AM
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increase in the middle of the field.
Recent history suggests that both DJs lack accuracy and our receivers ability to hold on to the ball make throwing over the middle a risky proposition.
We seem to be weighing the risk/reward involved and choosing the safer options ... at least for now.
Our entire offensive game plan this year appears to revolve around giving DJ the best chance to succeed.
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What's shocking is that Dabo didn't interview anyone else
Sep 19, 2022, 1:45 PM
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from outside the program for these key positions on the coaching staff.
For most corporations, especially one where the CEO makes around 8 figures a year, hiring for positions paying well into the 6 figures if not into the 7 figures requires protocols to be in place to ensure a valid and transparent search.
Given the fact that Clemson is a public institution, with a high profile football program, it's shocking that Dabo didn't do a thorough search. It's also surprising that his bosses didn't require him to do so, for optics if nothing else.
You seem okay having a dictatorship for our football program, with a leader doing whatever he pleases, and everyone is supposed to go along with it and not question anything.
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Re: What's shocking is that Dabo didn't interview anyone else
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Well we can guess who isn’t an MBA. Your assertion is false. In fact, the larger the corporation the higher the likelihood of an internal succession plan. Seems like organizationally Clemson is much larger than when Dabo took over and he is actually following a successful corporate model. Hiring outside when the organization is smaller and building a succession plan as it grew. Smaller firms tend to go outside for hires. So, since you don’t know what you’re talking about what are the chances you’ll quit saying it? I’m guessing zero.
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You don't know as much as you think you know.
Sep 19, 2022, 2:09 PM
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I'll help you out.
Most larger corporations have policies regarding how positions are filled. This is especially true with regard to executive-level and upper management positions. While you are correct that they are often filled internally, there are typically policies in place requiring that the job be posted and that a certain number of candidates (including outside candidates) be interviewed. This is the case even when the person doing the hiring knows that they want to promote from within.
Of course, plenty of large corporations purposely don't hire from within, because they see the value in outside ideas and experiences.
It's clear that you are going to agree with Dabo regardless of what he does, and that's your right. But it shows a real weakness on your part to personally attack people who disagree or have concerns.
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Re: You don't know as much as you think you know.
Sep 19, 2022, 2:28 PM
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Lol - spinning like a top. You’re an excellent troll. You’re dedicated to disagreeing with Dabo. Again, there is plenty of precedent for hiring internally. The protocols you’re referring to don’t necessarily mean a nationwide search and multiple interviews of outsiders which is what you are clamoring for. I’m sure Clemson had “protocols” that were followed. Dabo didn’t just write their contracts on a napkin. The larger the corporation and the greater the success/stability the higher the likelihood of direct internal promotion. This is simply a fact. And both circumstances would apply to Clemson.
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Re: What's shocking is that Dabo didn't interview anyone else
Sep 19, 2022, 2:27 PM
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This is just wrong. My guess is you didn't get an MBA from a very good school? Everyone in business knows you're just flushing money down the toilet getting an MBA from anything other than an M7. While it's true that promoting from within does occur, for managerial positions (CEO, CFO, etc.), large corporations almost always consider other options.
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Re: What's shocking is that Dabo didn't interview anyone else
Sep 19, 2022, 2:33 PM
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Never said I had one - that JK obviously didn’t. JK is acting like internal promotion like Dabo did is unheard of in the corporate world. That’s patently untrue. I pointed out the odds of promoting internally increase with the size and stability of the organization. This is a simple fact.
This is all dumb because a coaching staff has very little in common with a corporate board. JK was simply trying to draw a comparison with the sole purpose of tearing down this coach and his staff. The analogy he made to corporate boards was overstated and I called him out for it.
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Now you're twisting my words.
Sep 20, 2022, 11:20 AM
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I never said that internal promotions are unheard of in the corporate world. I also never said that Dabo doesn't have the right to promote from within.
What I said is this:
For most corporations, especially one where the CEO makes around 8 figures a year, hiring for positions paying well into the 6 figures if not into the 7 figures requires protocols to be in place to ensure a valid and transparent search.
Given the fact that Clemson is a public institution, with a high profile football program, it's shocking that Dabo didn't do a thorough search. It's also surprising that his bosses didn't require him to do so, for optics if nothing else.
The point is that Dabo didn't consider anyone else. He didn't interview anyone else. He just decided who he was going to hire from within, and he did it. He did it for the offensive coordinator and the co-defensive coordinators. That seems irresponsible. Even if the hires work out, the way Dabo went about it certainly looks irresponsible.
In case you or someone else asks, here is an article outlining Dabo's comments on the process. No, he didn't do a thorough search:
https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/sports/college/clemson/2021/12/14/clemson-coach-dabo-swinney-promoting-coordinator-jobs-within/6506553001/
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Why is it irresponsible? Have you ever run an organization?
Sep 20, 2022, 11:33 AM
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I do and cross training, succession planning, and promoting from within is paramount to the culture and core values of my company, my organization, and myself. If I have an internal candidate that I know and trust and have been molding/preparing for their next step, why would I hire an unknown from the outside?
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You're full of crap.
Sep 19, 2022, 11:03 AM
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Alabama has the Heisman winning QB, OSU has a Heisman candidate at QB, and Georgia has a very solid and consistent QB who led them to a national title. It has nothing to do with the way they call plays.
Please stick to basketball and your excuses for not letting people RIGHTFULLY criticize your husband.
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So now we are supposed to feel sorry for our coaches
Sep 19, 2022, 1:36 PM
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for not having enough talent to work with?
Is that what you're saying?
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how much experience did Jeff Scott or Tony Elliott have?
Sep 19, 2022, 12:02 PM
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and what good comes from having a guy who is looking for the next gig. Occasionally you may need to go outside and hire an OC if your struggling. One 10-3 season (losing to ACC champs with NFL QB, National Champs neutral site, and one 1pt lose on road) is not struggling.
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We struggled a lot last year on offense.
Sep 19, 2022, 2:01 PM
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It was significantly worse than our offense in previous seasons.
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Re: Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 18, 2022, 10:54 PM
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I hear you loud and clear, but lets just hope that they have been doing just enough to win, and have kept the play book closed. Hopefully when the time comes, Streeter will open up a new play book that will have a bunch of whip A$$ plays in it that will open things up for playing serious Clemson FB. Yes I have been thinking/hoping that our coaches have been playing with vanilla play calling, and keeping the play book closed until we really need to show what they have been working on in the off season. Streeter has been around long enough to have learned the plays we needed to get rid of, and it has looked like those were the plays being used to get us past the cup cake schedule without showing our hand, that's what I have been hoping was going on bc, the plays that we have been using, have looked like those dead plays that Tony used a lot!!!
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Re: Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 18, 2022, 10:57 PM
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My concern is Tony wasn’t using the middle of the field. I think he got spoiled with exceptional WR and QB arm talent.
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Re: Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 18, 2022, 11:10 PM
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Exactly.
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Re: Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 19, 2022, 12:35 PM
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DW4 and TL16 had much more to do with winning championships than Elliott. But Elliott did a good job of managing the process and supporting the stars and team. It takes both.
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Re: Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 19, 2022, 1:31 PM
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yes, his shortcomings in play calling showed up without DW and TL
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Re: Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 19, 2022, 2:12 PM
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We are who we are. Ever time they show Dabo when we are on offense, he is calling plays or talking and I’m assuming he is running the show. It is hard to be on OC when someone else helps you. There are guys that are open sometime, but we are only focused on the one guy, not on the whole field and seeing the open guy. We are predictable in what plays we call and run from the different formations/personnel. Other teams are too for your information. It’s still the execution or 11 on 11 every play. Sometimes you are the bug and sometimes you are the windshield. Execution, execution and execution.
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Re: Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 18, 2022, 11:10 PM
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We haven’t been executing this current, basic playbook very well. That doesn’t give me much confidence that will be able to execute a more complex playbook with much success.
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Re: Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 18, 2022, 11:08 PM
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Nothing has changed in the receiver route running patterns with the current Offensive staff.
They are running the same type of routes they always have. The difference between last year, this year, and years before is that in years past we had two things that we don’t have today.
One, we had extremely mobile quarterbacks who could put pressure on the defense resulting in wide receivers able to get open.
Two, we were stacked with NFL caliber wide receiver talent. We don’t seem to have that today.
The problem you’re seeing is that we have offensive play designs that are unimaginative and so basic that our receivers are unable to get open.
It’s very frustrating because I watch a lot of college football, like I’m sure you do too; and I constantly see other teams have wide receivers running open, making catches and getting huge yard after the couch. When Clemson receivers do catch the ball, they rarely get yards after the catch; it’s almost always a 50-50 ball.
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Re: Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 19, 2022, 7:00 AM
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Stltiger. That's what I've been thinking the last few years. Almost every pass is contested, nothing never looks easy.
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Re: Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 18, 2022, 11:16 PM
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When we've run slants in 2021 and thus far in 2022, the WRs arms transform into alligator arms.
They slow down on the route when they sense someone coming from the opposite direction.
After this happens a few dozen times (remember the pik-6 that UGA had against us last year; there was another noteworthy 'alligator arms' situation yesterday on a slant type route), then the middle type WR routes gets de-emphasized in the playbook.
The only middle routes that might have success are curl pattern type stuff, or the occasional pass to the TE (where our TEs are not afraid to go over the middle).
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We can't completely abandon it because WRs mess up
Sep 19, 2022, 8:15 AM
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just bench their a$$es until they want to man up and catch the ball imo.
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Looking @ snap count, it appears that this may be happening
Sep 19, 2022, 10:37 AM
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Antonio Williams has already surpassed Brannon Spector, and watch for Adam Randall to begin displacing Joseph Ngata soon. Only Beaux Collins is currently doing the job as starter.
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Re: Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 19, 2022, 1:11 AM
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he hired the guy who would run the Clemson offense. It is almost impossible to hire a new coordinator and not see at least some subtle changes in the play calling, routes ran, etc etc. (see Goodwin vs B.V.). However that’s what has occurred, which can only mean this is Clemson’s (Dabo’s) offense, just a new name in the box upstairs.
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Re: Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 19, 2022, 6:27 AM
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Patience. No need to open the playbook the 1st 3 games and now that Randall is playing there will be a difference.
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The not wanting to open up the playbook thing is
Sep 19, 2022, 8:38 AM
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the lamest excuse. In previous years we've scored 70 on GT, 77 on Lville, 63 on Wake, etc without running anything special.
We might have a few special wrinkles are holding back, but, aside from that, what you've been watching IS the playback and it has been for years now.
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Re: The not wanting to open up the playbook thing is
Sep 19, 2022, 9:37 AM
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There's no reason not to run our offense. If middle of the field plays are protected, then I don't think they are really a feature of our offense.
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We run a lot of difficult, timing based routes on the out-
Sep 19, 2022, 8:16 AM
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side. We have a QB who often throws the ball late, after having stared at the receiver for the duration of his route. Coverage looks tight when the ball gets there, for obvious reasons.
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Re: We run a lot of difficult, timing based routes on the out-
Sep 19, 2022, 9:36 AM
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This right here ^^
Please everyone stop with the “We’re not opening up the playbook yet.” That’s bull crap.
DJ has improved, but he still stares down his intended receiver. He still doesn’t have the ability to look down field and see who’s open. I believe Streeter and Dabo have dumbed down the play calling because DJ and our WRs are not capable/reliable enough to execute the big plays we were so used to with TL, DW and their NFL caliber receivers.
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DJ had no problem making those throws in 2020
Sep 19, 2022, 10:39 AM
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when he filled in for Trevor against Boston College and Notre Dame.
The difference then was that he had really good receivers to throw to. Our WR group now is not as good.
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Or, maybe the difference
Sep 19, 2022, 10:53 AM
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is that he's had 3 years with QB coaching that tends to see fundamentals regress while they are in college...
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sshhh...don't say that too loudly
Sep 19, 2022, 10:57 AM
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We'll all heard Dilfer's assessment that TL regressed while at Clemson and there's some evidence that DJU has too given his awesome performance as a true freshman.
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Very possible.
Sep 19, 2022, 11:26 AM
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As I've posted before, the QB development here hasn't exactly been impressive when you look at the numbers. And that's with mostly elite, 5-star talent.
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Re: Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 19, 2022, 10:20 AM
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People are making all kinds of excuses for our coaches, but it is clear that our route tree is predictable. The simplifications that Streeter and Richardson talked about in the off-season appear to have made our passing game even more predictable. Combine predictable plays with WRs who can’t get separation in one-on-one situations and a QB who still often stares down his primary read and, yeah, nobody’s open.
I got to watch the game in person for the first time in a while and having the “all 22“ view made it even more obvious than what I had been seeing on television. Louisiana tech knew exactly where our receivers were going probably 80% of the time.
We’ve gotten by on superior talent for the first 3 games. Fortunately, no one on our schedule can completely match us in talent, but some teams can match up well enough that we will drop one or two games unless our coaches inject some creativity into our offense.
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This x1000.***
Sep 19, 2022, 10:40 AM
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It's totally on the
Sep 19, 2022, 11:14 AM
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WR's. We missed on evaluations. But didn't miss on Williams or Randall
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No, it's not.
Sep 19, 2022, 4:34 PM
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That's the point of contrasting how our WRs are rarely open with lots of other teams who have WRs running open. There's simply no way that our staff AND recruiting rankings missed so badly in evaluating receivers that GT, Furman, and La Tech all have better WRs, not to mention lots of other non-elite teams that can be viewed on Saturdays with open WRs.
They don't have to get open on every play. But when everyone is closely covered on 80% of passing plays, you have a system problem, not a people problem.
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We've had the same scheme for years
Sep 20, 2022, 7:15 AM
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Tee, Amari, Hunter, et al, got open. Not the scheme
Agree to disagree.
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Re: We've had the same scheme for years
Sep 20, 2022, 8:40 AM
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So I think you both are right. Our WRs aren't as good as in the past but our system isn't good at scheming WRs open. We got away with it with the great WRs/QB talent we had. Sarkisian was a master at scheming - sure Bama had great WRs, but he also ran routes that complement each other helping them get open.
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Re: Are we calling plays to get our WRs open or just depending
Sep 19, 2022, 11:39 AM
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I, too, initially questioned the Streeter promotion. Until someone smarter than me, in a discussion on this very topic, reminded me about 2 national championships we won with Scott/Elliott combo OCs....which I also questioned post-Chad. So, I'm giving Dabo the benefit of the doubt...for now. I still have questions about Grisham as WR coach. I didn't initially. He was one of my all-time favorite players, had a successful post-Clemson career. But WR getting no separation, so many drops, running wrong routes...its making me doubt my heartfelt love for the guy. Hopefully that turns around too.
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