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All this bellyaching about a 31 point win reminds me of an
Sep 7, 2022, 8:34 AM
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article that was in Golf Digest years ago. They were talking about Lee Trevino, specifically about the critiques of his golf swing, which is pretty unique. It went something along the lines of
"He has this weird motion where he takes the club back way outside, and then has to radically reroute it at the start of the downswing, to approach the ball from the inside and make solid contact."
The point the author of the article was making was this: All the critics seemed to miss the fact that Trevino DID successfully reroute the club to the inside, EVERY SINGLE TIME, and was one of the solidest ball strikers ever to play on Tour.
That's the Parable. A THIRTY ONE POINT WIN, is a thirty one point win, every single time. It may not look like you want it to look, but if it's a thirty one point win, every single time, that would be something to be deliriously happy about at the end of the season.
Also remember: We wait with great anticipation all offseason for these chances to see our team perform a mere 12 times a year during the regular season. Don't waste this precious time while the season IS HERE complaining about every little thing. There's plenty of TV personalities being paid already to do that exact thing.
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Re: All this bellyaching about a 31 point win reminds me of an
Sep 7, 2022, 8:38 AM
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Reminds me of the reaction to the USuck game in 2018.
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Re: All this bellyaching about a 31 point win reminds me of an
Sep 7, 2022, 8:44 AM
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What seems to be lost on you is that without Cades 3 minute TD it would have been a 24 point win and failed to come close to covering the spread. A number 4 team with this much talent should have been 50+ of that GT squad.
Secondly, in recent years when Dabo puts the backups in they so often fail to score. We not only scored but did so masterfully.
You seem to forget that all we needed was a single TD to advance in the playoffs last year over Georgia. Couldn’t get it done. We’ve seen this show before and no sane Tiger lover wishes for a repeat of that.
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The spread was 24 1/2
Sep 7, 2022, 8:49 AM
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how is 24 not close?
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Re: The spread was 24 1/2
Sep 7, 2022, 8:52 AM
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The spread would have been higher IF. . .
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Re: All this bellyaching about a 31 point win reminds me of an
Sep 7, 2022, 8:49 AM
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No belly aching but stronger competition on the horizon and a lot of folks had higher expectations than the 14 first half points. I guess that’s on us fans or at least myself. I was thinking that game would be over by half.
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I don’t think anything is lost on anybody.
Sep 7, 2022, 9:00 AM
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We’ve all lived through a lot of lean years as Clemson fans. Regardless of how you feel right now these are not lean years. We have a lot to be proud of. If the staff missed on some players, if they make some bad calls, etc. Dabo has earned the right to do that and has a lot more grace in the eyes of any reasonable person than say a coach who has a conference record below .500. I felt like the job they did last year with all the holes in the roster and lack of experience was phenomenal. They found a way to win in spite of one of the most if not the most inept offense I’ve ever seen at Clemson. The offense did look somewhat improved and I believe it’s only a matter of time before Cade steps in. Complaining about Monday night’s win would be a waste of time for me because I’ve seen a lot of other Clemson teams in multiple sports fold in similar situations. I’m enjoying the ride as long as it lasts. You should too. Little ol Clemson is one of the top 20 D1 programs of all time and Swinney has had a lot to do with that. We should be thankful and at the same time be realistic that the level he has achieved cannot be maintained forever.
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Re: All this bellyaching about a 31 point win reminds me of an
Sep 7, 2022, 9:06 AM
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Great point. Had we not won by 31 we might have won by a number less than 31 so we should be unhappy. Hopefully our AD is deep into a search for Dabo’s replacement who will look at these “victories” this way and understand Clemson fans are entitled to better.
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Very, very true
Sep 7, 2022, 8:48 AM
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I've also found that people who complain incessantly, and most of the time, hold others to standards they themselves never hold themselves to, are generally miserable.
In regards to this game. The same people who know special teams are a huge part of the game. Who whine about our punters, missed FG's, lack of returns, choose to be miserable about the offense when special teams make it easy for the O.
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Re: All this bellyaching about a 31 point win reminds me of an
Sep 7, 2022, 8:52 AM
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We all know that we cant win it all with that offense. Thats why. They will get better though. What did the Tigers score? 27 offensive pts?
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Legend [19697]
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The offense scored all 41
Sep 7, 2022, 9:04 AM
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it was easier due to special teams. But I guess we'd prefer going 99 yards every drive rather than 6
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Re: All this bellyaching about a 31 point win reminds me of an
Sep 7, 2022, 9:08 AM
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76er I do understand your point. It’s all about expectations. I like to hear different views from fans and critiquing is part of it when justified. Not talking about the few that are disgruntled about most everything.
I love Clemson and the players and will pull for them regardless. My biggest issue right now is QB mobility and how this offense will look against better defenses that stack the box. Just observations!
BTW Trevino was one heck of a ball striker!
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So we're Gary Player and Arnold Palmer
Sep 7, 2022, 9:13 AM
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with highly unorthodox swings
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Re: So we're Gary Player and Arnold Palmer
Sep 7, 2022, 9:38 AM
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Yes they do not teach those swings!
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A different view
Sep 7, 2022, 9:22 AM
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I don’t think the analogy holds. Had Trevino nog won tournaments against the best competition, his swing would have just been adequate at best, but not capable of high level success. I am not dismissing the 31 point win. But you can’t think that the quality of QB play is going to change much from the past year. That’s his comparable weird swing and it will not win against top talent. Furman - yes. La Tech - yes. NC Stare - likely not. Miami - likely not. Bama, UGA - no way.
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Re: A different view
Sep 7, 2022, 9:27 AM
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I will give The coaches a thumbs up in promoting DJ. Dabo and Streeter are really pushing him . Why, I don’t know. I am convinced this team cannot win a championship with him …also, why aren’t we under center for a fourth and one situation????
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Sixer...this might be the 1st of many times I will say this during the course of the season...
Sep 7, 2022, 9:29 AM
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But of those coming onto tigernet to €\+># and moan during the games that we're not doing well..
Are posters that come up out of their holes after "hibernating" in the off-season..
Then they dissappear like farts in the wind afterwards...
Wash.....rinse......repeat every game.. every year....
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It's Truly The Bias of Social Media Culture
Sep 7, 2022, 9:38 AM
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It's created a platform where everyone believes it is their right to have a POV. I don't deny anyone the right to express their opinion, but there is a presumption because of the ubiquity of social media that makes these opiners believe that they also have a right to have the owner of their opinion agree with and take action on their POV.
If you want to make CFB decisions, go become a coach, otherwise understand you are a fan.
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That is pretty much the heart of the debate. Some of the
Sep 7, 2022, 9:53 AM
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"Armchair Coaches" truly believe in their minds that they are more lucid than the real thing, and THEY should be making that 9 million bucks a year. I'll go with the guy who has PROVEN he can win National Championships, having done it twice already.
Cade Klubnick's time to start will come, maybe sooner than later. It just could be, maybe, that Coach Swinney remembers that Deshaun Watson missed significant time his freshman year due to getting injured. He was bigger than Cade is now. I hope Cade is hitting the weights as hard as he can, to put on the needed muscle to survive the rigors of a college football season. He will need them.
Carry on, but please, don't CARRY ON!
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it's a freakin' internet message board - pretty sure
Sep 7, 2022, 11:58 AM
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no one has a direct line to Dabo. This is a place to debate coaches decisions, players play, etc. If we can't do that, then lets shut it down b/c it becomes nothing more than an echo chamber.
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Re: All this bellyaching about a 31 point win reminds me of an
Sep 7, 2022, 9:50 AM
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IMO the issue was the first half performance from the offense… all of those 3 and outs resembled the offense from last year.
If GT didn’t suck so bad or had our opener been against a ranked opponent the outcome could’ve been much different.
I think the criticism is justified since we had a 12 game sample of this last year and we know poor offense won’t get it done against better teams on our schedule.
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Re: All this bellyaching about a 31 point win reminds me of an
Sep 7, 2022, 11:32 AM
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The goal is to win national championships (especially with this defense).
Beating Ga Tech (which had 3 wins last year) isn't the goal...
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Winning game 1 is a goal every year***
Sep 7, 2022, 11:36 AM
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The Fans who do that: don't respect The Oppnent
Sep 7, 2022, 1:00 PM
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76er - i agree one hundred percent.
The problem is the fans who are novices at best; don't fully understand what Dabo means when he says, "it's hard to win"!
These bellyaching fans only see, "ACC school or GT" and think Clemson is higher caliber thus it should mean we absolutely DESTROY the opponent. If not, in their minds, "it was a failure"!
The problem is; that though ACC teams may lose to SEC teams, they themselves don't always blow out ACC teams! Sometimes in fact, they lose!
But, all of this goes back to a lack of respect for the opponent. Had we beaten Ohio State by 31 ( see what I did there for the recent football historians) people would be more impressed. But, those who get it like yourself understand the value in winning no matter the opponent - especially by 31 in what was essentially a home game for the opponent.
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Arnold swung like a truck driver
Sep 7, 2022, 1:21 PM
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but, he was pretty good at it.
The concern is that 14 of the points were basically gimmies which likely won't happen again.
GT is a pretty bad team. FSU, Nancy State, Miami, etc aren't bad teams. And def not UA and UGA.
The frustration for all of us is we're mesmerized by DJU's arm potential, but unfortunately his lack of mobility compromises his arm. Dabo is determined to help DJU out and get him into the NFL, but he also recognizes his QB2 is better than his QB1. "Best is the standard" is much easier said than done. Dabo doesn't strictly adhere to that. It is more aspirational than reality.
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