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Re: Ahem
May 25, 2021, 7:58 PM
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The Clintons? The Biden’s?
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Re: Ahem
May 25, 2021, 8:44 PM
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lol, Cohen and a scorned woman.
“Weisselberg was not available for comment. Her spokesperson Juda Engelmeyer said she had been ordered to evict her Upper West Side apartment on Wednesday after Allen stopped paying the rent.“
Here is my fav part from your scoop.
‘They said, ‘We want to pick up your stuff tonight, your evidence,’”
Who determined that these boxes of stuff are already evidence? The scorned woman? The TDS DA?
You know, if people thought Biden really crushed Trump in the election, they wouldn’t be trying so hard to get rid of him. The MSM is a fkn joke, every Trump hating liberal is a joke. 4 straight years of “bombshells” every five minutes that have led to nothing. Congress trying to make sure he can never run again. What are liberals scared of? Freedom? Enjoy your pssy administration while the squad, China, and Russia own us.
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Re: Ahem
May 25, 2021, 9:38 PM
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She actually has been feeding them that stuff...for months.
I think she had 23 meetings with the DA, if memory serves. She's been walking them through those documents for awhile, undoubtedly in exchange for immunity...and also as leverage against her husband for custody of her kids and as leverage in what's looking like a real nasty divorce battle.
Son Barry worked real hard at alienating her. In retrospect, seemingly not a great plan.
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Are you one of the Class A morons that Sidney Powell
May 26, 2021, 8:54 AM
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is saying in court that one must have to be in order to believe her and all of the election BS they spread? Or are you not one of those morons and just feel better about wholesale lying because it better serves your political aims?
I'll hang up and listen.
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Re: Ahem
May 25, 2021, 8:46 PM
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indictments are imminent
May 25, 2021, 9:16 PM
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did I do it right?
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Re: indictments are imminent
May 25, 2021, 9:58 PM
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Re: indictments are imminent
May 25, 2021, 10:22 PM
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I am just saying that the shoe is on the other foot, no need for a dissertation.
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Re: indictments are imminent
May 26, 2021, 7:14 AM
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Well, technically, they really should have, but Trump illuminated something that will haunt America a good long time: you can't get impeached if your own side won't hold you accountable, and here is where having "two medias" dealing out two sets of facts by two sets of talking heads is killing America. He was, sorry, to anybody with eyes blatantly and clearly compromised by Putin - and guess what: his campaign's direct collusion with Russian intelligence was actually proven just last month when - oddly - Treasury Department memos surfaced that indicated Manafort had indeed passed internal polling data to Constantine Kilimnnik, which is the definition of "collusion".
Where this report's been languishing and how somebody - undoubtedly Bill Barr - sat on it so long, nobody's quite sure right now:
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-paul-manafort-russia-campaigns-konstantin-kilimnik-d2fdefdb37077e28eba135e21fce6ebf US says Russia was given Trump campaign polling data in 2016 WASHINGTON (AP) — It was one of the more tantalizing, yet unresolved, questions of the investigation into possible connections between Russia and Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign: Why was a business associate of campaign chairman Paul Manafort given internal polling data — and what did he do with it...
Well, shee-it. That's anti-climactic. Years after the fact and long after it no longer matters, a smoking gun. Because unless the Senate votes to convict, you're not impeached. And if they aren't going to impeach for attempting an insurrection, they're certainly not going to go back and reconsider their first vote...so I think Trump's successfully beaten the rap.
But this whole "Russian collusion hoax" nonsense is pretty much straight BS, at this point. He colluded, point clearly proven, and small wonder he pardoned Paul Manafort. Fox News just convinced their viewers it didn't matter.
This is very different, though. Because he's not president...and he can't abuse his office to stop what's coming after him now. He has no more pardons to dole out to his collaborators...and no more friendly attorneys general to run interference for him, mischaracterize Mueller's reports, or bury damning memos and evidence on his behalf. And he doesn't have a friendly half of a Senate he can intimidate into not voting for impeachment.
This is just a legal proceeding, now. And he tends to do really badly, at those. He may still beat this rap as well because there's still the question of finding a jury that will actually convict him; all he's gotta do is find one guy who says Not Guilty on any case and the jury hangs, and there's no question he's got an acre of diehard followers out there...but that didn't seem to help any of his guys like Manafort in their cases. Those juries were all like: "He was just so obviously guilty we couldn't not convict." I think that'll be the case here when they go after Trump too.
I dunno. I personally think they just sort of grind him under. Sort of feels like this vast machine has him, now, and it's seriously peeved and motivated...and he played fast and loose way too long, and now that he's just Citizen Trump again, I think he's way out of his weight class, legally. I just think there's too many skeletons going to come shambling out of the closet when it's all said and done and there's not much he can do to stop it anymore. They hate him up in New York now, and he's got literally 50+ years worth of sins up there awaiting inquest...they're not going to stop.
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Ha!
May 26, 2021, 7:39 AM
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Trump may be in fact be guilty of some things but I guarantee you one thing. He is no more guilty than the Clintons, and a whole lot more time, money and effort has been spent on trying to dig something up on him.
"Um, yeah, he's probably a crook... but so are the Clintons! Why aren't they getting prosecuted with this criminal--I mean, my Lord and Savior Donald Trump!"
What an absurd argument. You have zero integrity.
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Re: Ha!
May 26, 2021, 2:03 PM
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Re: Ha!
May 26, 2021, 4:41 PM
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Everyone knows the Clintons are crooks. Sure, prosecute them. But your reaction to Trump's crookedness shouldn't be, "But... but.. what about the Clintons?!"
Trump is friends with the Clintons and just as liberal as them. Only fools don't know that.
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Really? A whole lot more time and money...
May 26, 2021, 2:29 PM
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than the Whitewater investigation?
In current $'s, I bet the Whitewarter/Starr investigations cost a heck of a lot more than the Mueller investigation and whatever else has been spent on investigating Trump.
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Re: Really? A whole lot more time and money...
May 26, 2021, 2:39 PM
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You're welcome, fact-hater***
May 26, 2021, 2:40 PM
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Re: You're welcome, fact-hater***
May 26, 2021, 2:41 PM
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I disgust you because I don't like Trump and didn't vote...
May 26, 2021, 2:54 PM
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for him. You don't realize how telling that is about your mentality.
What about me do you think is fake? I say what I think on here and can defend my positions. There are plenty of people on here that disagree with me, but I bet you can't find much support of your criticisms of me amongst them.
I've got more conservative cred and knowledge and, dang sure, consistency than you could ever dream of. You're just out of your league and I know that must be frustrating. You and your ilk are destroying the party and the conservative movement and you're too blind to realize it.
Now, it's your turn to accuse me of making things personal...you know...after you made things personal...and cry to the mods like the lil $#*! that you are.
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Re: I disgust you because I don't like Trump and didn't vote...
May 26, 2021, 2:58 PM
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Where did I "stick up for a dem" in this thread?....
May 26, 2021, 3:02 PM
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I pointed out that your statement regarding cost of investigating Trump v Clinton is likely wrong.
I can't freaking stand the Clintons...probably more than I can't stand Trump.
You can't really be this thick....can you?
You simply can't process facts versus some team politics game theory you have concocted in your head.
I think you might be right about state party leaders not wanting my involvement because I'm anti-Trump. That's part of the problem I alluded to.
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Re: Where did I "stick up for a dem" in this thread?....
May 26, 2021, 3:07 PM
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You mean people with conviction that put....
May 26, 2021, 3:16 PM
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country ahead of party? I'd be happy to be placed in their league.
Romney is about the most consistently conservative person we have in the Senate and this country and world would be in a lot better shape right now had he beaten Obama.
And again...where have I "stuck up for a dem" in this thread?
"What part of this isn’t about Trump do you not understand?"
I responded to your comment comparing Trump vs Clinton investigations.
Give me a few examples of me "defending Biden"? Note...that correcting you on misinformation about Biden's position is not defending his positions...it's wanting to have factual debate. We traded pages of posts before the election about Biden's tax plan, which is a plan I don't support.
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Re: You mean people with conviction that put....
May 26, 2021, 3:24 PM
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That's a long way to say "I got nothing"...
May 26, 2021, 3:50 PM
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Why do I care if we have factual debate? That's at the heart of why I don't like Trump. He's a liar. He lies...all the time, without impunity. And all of his supporters repeat his lies.
We need to debate based on truth and not based on BS...on all sides. Period. Full stop.
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And he's taught them lying is okay.
May 26, 2021, 4:49 PM
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It explains why T3 exhibits a lot of behavior like Trump. He taught them that such behavior is acceptable.
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It's why character matters in a President/leader
May 27, 2021, 12:34 PM
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The argument "I'm not voting for a pastor" is wrong. It matters.
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Re: So are the Clintons...
May 26, 2021, 4:46 PM
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Yes you do.
May 26, 2021, 4:48 PM
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It's not hypocrisy when the DA does his or her job. Prosecutors prosecute criminals. You think it's political because oh no, Dear Trump, how dare they. In reality, he's always been a crook.
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Re: You're welcome, fact-hater***
May 26, 2021, 3:24 PM
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Flow is a republican, buddy. At least from my years here, debating him, etc he is Republican.
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Re: You're welcome, fact-hater***
May 26, 2021, 3:28 PM
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Re: You're welcome, fact-hater***
May 26, 2021, 3:32 PM
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Yeah, since the stroke two years ago, I don't post as often.
But, flow and I have had some good debates.
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Re: You're welcome, fact-hater***
May 26, 2021, 3:43 PM
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What platform? The party didn't put up a platform...
May 26, 2021, 3:51 PM
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in the last election at the direction of Trump.
Why? He doesn't really stand for much of anything.
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Re: What platform? The party didn't put up a platform...
May 26, 2021, 4:09 PM
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I have no doubt I'm aligned more with the GOP...
May 26, 2021, 4:13 PM
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that's why I'm still a registered Republican. The point is that the party didn't/couldn't even put out a platform under Trump. Under any other circumstance, that would be astounding.
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Re: I have no doubt I'm aligned more with the GOP...
May 26, 2021, 4:16 PM
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No it was a better idea to vote for Biden...
May 26, 2021, 4:22 PM
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because Trump was a completely incompetent POTUS.
He was so gotdang incompetent he drug 2 GOP seats in the Senate from GA down with him.
To anyone paying attention, he showed clearly he put himself ahead of country AND party.
If he could have just backed off the Big Lie a little after the election...given the candidates a little room on the issue, the GOP would control the Senate right now. But nope...he eff'd us real good...right to the end.
I do not regret my vote for Biden over Trump one bit. Even with all of the BS going on right now...still better than it would have been with Trump in office...especially long-term.
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Since when...
May 26, 2021, 4:58 PM
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Does a party say, "Hey, no platform this year. Our platform is just... a guy."
You know why a party would do that? When they know that guy doesn't actually stand for their ideology but they desperately want to maintain control.
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Re: Since when...
May 26, 2021, 5:22 PM
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Ok...come on...there is no possible way you can believe that***
May 26, 2021, 7:06 PM
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That's absurd.
May 27, 2021, 8:08 AM
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First, they didn't attract "a lot of new and diverse voters".
Parties don't withhold a platform in a presidential election. Period. The fact that the GOP did it this year says all you need to know about Trumpism. They wanted to win again, but they knew this guy wasn't actually a Republican. But they were stuck with him.
Could they run on pro-life? Oops, no, Trump is pro-choice.
Could they run on small government and local control? Nope, Trump was an authoritarian who overstepped his authority.
Fiscal responsibility? Nope, Trump embraced government wasteful spending.
Pro-women? LOL
Immigration? No... even they knew Trump's immigration policies were disastrous.
Military? Nope, the Pentagon hated Trump.
But they did know Trump spoke to the ignoramuses of America with his troglodyte ways, and they hoped that would be enough to carry them.
That, or just make up some voter fraud BS after the election.
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This thread has been super enlightening. Correct me if I’m wrong-
May 26, 2021, 3:53 PM
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Politics is all about a team sport, and you fully support your team no matter what. And you only want people in the party to be sheep and follow the leader, and don’t want anyone who has free thought and might step out of line. You’ve been upfront about not having an objective viewpoint before, but this takes that to another level. I’m just paraphrasing what I took from your posts above, so correct me if I interpreted it wrong.
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Re: This thread has been super enlightening. Correct me if I’m wrong-
May 26, 2021, 4:04 PM
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You must not be familiar with Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema***
May 26, 2021, 4:17 PM
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Re: You must not be familiar with Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema***
May 26, 2021, 4:21 PM
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No excuse for what exactly?***
May 26, 2021, 4:23 PM
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C’mon man!
May 26, 2021, 4:29 PM
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Re: You said the Democrats vote in lock step.
May 26, 2021, 4:31 PM
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The other Democrats to vote against the amendment were
May 26, 2021, 4:33 PM
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Sens. Chris Coons, D-Del.; Tom Carper, D-Del.; Jon Tester, D-Mon.; Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H.; Maggie Hassan, D-N.H.; and Joe Manchin, W.V. Sen. Angus King of Maine, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, also voted against the minimum-wage amendment.
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Re: The other Democrats to vote against the amendment were
May 26, 2021, 5:23 PM
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Re: The other Democrats to vote against the amendment were
May 26, 2021, 7:20 PM
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Actually almost of those 'Pubs came from the Problem Solvers Caucus...28 of the 35, in fact. That coalition includes Manchin and Sinema in the Senate on the Dem side, ...and guess what, also has exactly 28 Democratic members in the House as well.
So basically you're talking a 56-member centrist bloc that pretty much spans both parties. It's not hard to figure out who they are on the Senate side either...Manchin, Sinema, and Jacky Rosen (Nevada) on the Democrat side, and on the GOP's side Susan Collins, Ron Johnson, and Bill Cassidy.
See any patterns there?
So actually there is a bloc of centrists who repeatedly and consistently tend to gunk up party-line votes, and you tend to hear their names over, and over, and over again, because they're the ones who actually do try to work both sides of the aisle and can actually be reasoned with, and their votes are generally anything but party-line.
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Re: The other Democrats to vote against the amendment were
May 26, 2021, 8:12 PM
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Re: And you would prefer your team does not have any
May 26, 2021, 4:37 PM
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I didn’t say anything about Dems or Republicans.
May 26, 2021, 4:39 PM
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I was asking you how you wanted people in your party to operate, since you criticized Romney etc for going against the party.
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Re: I didn’t say anything about Dems or Republicans.
May 26, 2021, 4:49 PM
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So you want sheep. Got it.***
May 26, 2021, 4:55 PM
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Re: So you want sheep. Got it.***
May 26, 2021, 8:17 PM
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"The other side is doing it"
May 27, 2021, 12:41 PM
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Here's where we are in politics. Let's not be better...we just have to join in the lowest denominator. And we complain about our politicians...we have chosen this.
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Gettin' nervous, huh?
May 26, 2021, 7:37 AM
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Man, that's going to be the ultimate "rub their noses in their mess" moment for all you Trump worshippers when he goes to prison.
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I don't even get a footnote for this one?
May 26, 2021, 7:40 AM
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No attribution whatsoever? Who are you, Joe Biden?
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Re: Gettin' nervous, huh?
May 26, 2021, 1:57 PM
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I think he's guilty as hell, but there is 0% chance we send an ex-president to prison.
America does not hold the rich and powerful to the same standards and certainly not rich/powerful politicians.
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Yep... Trump's got a 'little black book', too... DC Nasties.***
May 26, 2021, 2:21 PM
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^^this
May 26, 2021, 3:26 PM
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So no sense in anyone getting their panties in a wad and writing books about Trump going to prison. It isn't happening.
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Re: Gettin' nervous, huh?
May 26, 2021, 3:23 PM
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I despise Trump but I'll eat my #### live on fb if he ever spends a day behind prison bars.
Some of this is as bad as the Republicans claiming Hillary was going to prison. It's ########.
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Re: Gettin' nervous, huh?
May 26, 2021, 4:48 PM
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I despise Trump but I'll eat my #### live on fb if he ever spends a day behind prison bars.
####, dude... now I kinda don't want him to go to jail.
Kinda.
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Re: Gettin' nervous, huh?
May 27, 2021, 6:03 AM
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I kinda went overboard lol
But im that confident he doesn't go to prison.
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Re: Ahem
May 26, 2021, 8:14 AM
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Just like the NYT said about attacks on Israelis being a "gift to the right," if this goes anywhere, keeping Trump out of POTUS candidacy will also be "a gift to the right."
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Re: Ahem
May 26, 2021, 8:32 AM
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Maybe. And I'm just fine with that.
Keep Trump out of the presidency, and America becomes, if not sane again, then a whole lot saner. Most of our current batch of right-wing politicians play at being "Trumpy" but the reality is, they have their own personalities and once elected, they're going to do things their own way, and the reality is, Fox News is nothing but State TV that molds itself to the whims of Dear Leader and has its viewers duly parroting whatever he wants them to say regardless of how effing inconsistent it is with previous positions.
I mean, they literally sold the GOP on being anti-war, Pro-Russia, and free-spending, in like, five minutes flat.
A month after the GOP's next Dear Leader is elected, you Foxworlders won't even remember Trump even existed. And none of you will have actually ever liked him.
Whatever. The next Dear Leader is highly unlikely to be a complete sociopath who makes a go at upending Democracy, and will probably at least try to make a minimal effort to reach across the aisle. Keep in mind a GOP leader doesn't even have to hit 50% approval to stay elected; the Electoral College is stacked in the GOP's favor to such an extent 45% literally will do the trick, minimal courtesy and competence is all it takes. Trump's problem was he couldn't even manage that.
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Puh-leeze
May 26, 2021, 3:32 PM
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The moment there’s a new Republican leader the propaganda arm of the leftist establishment will have you calling them Hitler and pretending to like Trump. Just like all of a sudden you media led mongoloids looove W and Cheney. They’ll tell you what to think, you’ll follow with zero introspection, principle, or critical thought.
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Not going to happen.
May 26, 2021, 8:55 AM
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Good try though.
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Re: Ahem
May 26, 2021, 2:48 PM
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They are finally going to get him!!
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They're going to "investigate" until they find something***
May 26, 2021, 2:51 PM
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Re: They're going to "investigate" until they find something***
May 26, 2021, 3:16 PM
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Dude, Trump's taxes got leaked last year. They were a train wreck. Actually that comparison is probably unfair to train wrecks. "Finding" something looks like it's likely going to be the least of their problems.
There were so many obvious flashing red lights all over his taxes, the biggest problems were: where the heck do you start? The obvious tax fraud? The obvious insurance fraud? The greater hints at money laundering? Money guys were like: holy sh!tballs, Batman.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/three-interpretations-of-trumps-tax-records/616570/
There were some pretty obvious reasons he didn't want those abominations out. 'Cause, like, wow.
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They’ll fish until they get a bite.
May 26, 2021, 3:20 PM
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Doesn’t matter if he’s guilty or not. DA was upfront in her campaign that she would be going after Trump regardless of the facts.
I’m not surprised at this point that we have declined to the point of political show trials. I am saddened to see that people are so brainwashed by the narrative that they’re actually cheering the idea.
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Re: They’ll fish until they get a bite.
May 26, 2021, 4:47 PM
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There's nothing "show" about a criminal trial, particularly a white-collar trial where you've gotta first spend six months in front of a grand jury. You either have the goods as a prosecutor or you don't, and the burden of proof is overwhelmingly on the prosecution. You'd better be able to make your case.
My guess is they've got the goods, and there's ample badness there for them to find...but again, they're going to have to clear that hurdle before actual judges...some of whom are likely to be conservative appointees. And then they're going to have to make sure they prove their case before twelve jurors...again, not a slam-dunk, since some of them are going to be Trump supporters requiring a high burden of proof as well.
So forgive me if my "brainwashed" self - who has served on actual juries as an actual voter and American citizen and seen how the process works up close - is dubious of describing the process as a "political show trial".
If you're appreciably different than a QAnon supporter, I really have yet to see it.
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And I think it's kinda sad...
May 26, 2021, 4:56 PM
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That some people are so in love with Trump, they're not willing to entertain the idea that he may have committed crimes.
Shows what a cult of personality and con man he is.
But hey, whatever... even if it is a witchhunt, good. It's worth it to teach him and his loyalists a lesson.
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