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After the Affirmative Action decision, is Title IX ripe...
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for a long, overdue challenge?
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Re: After the Affirmative Action decision, is Title IX ripe...
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It’s not a fun subject for many when the media has tried to divide people at every turn!
What’s your position?
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There is a distinct group of people that lose their mind...
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over conference realignment, disparity in payouts, while proclaiming the end of all things they love is near. They'll likely be the first to turn on the TV or buy a ticket, enabling the very devices of their demise. It's funny.
People do that to themselves and if they're so encumbered by their own "fears" they allow "media" to shape, drive or herd them, then let natural selection have its way? It's business, there's no time for hand holding.
Title IX seems antiquated and as was similarly decided with Affirmative Action, Universities had to find another way to create diversity. Equality of opportunity because of the immense disparity in ROI might not be equal any longer?
Media pay-outs are clearly driven by Football[85%] & Men's Basketball[15%]. If under the current financial environment, neither[or just football] program needs Federal Financial Assistance, then it seems they could be immune to and outside the consideration of Title IX guarantees? Again, a question, not an argument to be decided later?
No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.
If disparate times demand desperate measures, then start with the profit soakers and pour those expenses back into the profit earners, helping to bridge any perceived and or real shortfalls?
Also, if biological men are allowed to play girl sports, then make tryouts for any sport co-ed and be done with the separatism which some say haunts society? If there's to be Baseball, then let girls try out, equal opportunity ensured?
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Re: There is a distinct group of people that lose their mind...
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Amen. Let ‘em tryout!
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emojis are the bane of human existence...
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there are others.
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Re: After the Affirmative Action decision, is Title IX ripe...
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I would like to see them count the number of sports for each gender vs the number of scholarships. The 85 football ships (which pays the bills) puts the other men’s sports at a disadvantage under the current system
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Re: After the Affirmative Action decision, is Title IX ripe...
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The media?!?!?! How about that greedy, immoral charlatan leading a party with lies, that only a mouth breather would believe? Blaming the media for anything is scapegoating. If you don't want to blame the people making decisions, blame the editorial shows that spew nonsense from 8 - 11 every night.
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Re: After the Affirmative Action decision, is Title IX ripe...
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One word answer “woke”
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Re: After the Affirmative Action decision, is Title IX ripe...
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Better than head in the sand or a sleep at the wheel lmao
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Re: After the Affirmative Action decision, is Title IX ripe...
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Woke is a compliment. My word to people who are not woke is "immoral", or to make up a word "un-Jesus-like". We all know where the big guy lands in these moral questions.
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Re: After the Affirmative Action decision, is Title IX ripe...
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Aug 4, 2023, 8:33 AM
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Please use proper pronouns too!
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Saving $$$ on Dawn Staley's salary would give the coots
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an unfair $$$ advantage over us
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Re: Saving $$$ on Dawn Staley's salary would give the coots
Aug 5, 2023, 7:21 AM
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Wimmens basketball is best athletic accomplishments in the history of Coots. When that team averages alwost double attendance is a good indicator!
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Had you posted this on the correct board I would have
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Engaged and let you know that your argument is not really on point. Part of Justice Robert’s ruling was that admissions at universities is a “zero sum” proposition; if you favor one group of students over another then that other group experience a negative impact. That argument could be extended and sited to support title IX. The intent of title IX was originally to tie the distribution of resources to the makeup of you student body. In this example fix the “zero sum” game so that your resources are divided between male and female students in the same ratio as enrollment. So if AA seeks to unfairly (as argued) skew the zero sum game in favor of a group that makes up a smaller portion of applicants; title IX seeks to level the distribution of resources and create equilibrium.
This isn’t an argument for title IX just a comment on your argument.
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"Antiquated" and reavaluation are the considerations...
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Aug 4, 2023, 9:13 AM
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Is it time to reconsider and/or challenge, no more, no less as was done with Affirmative Action?
And it's on the perfect board considering its direct impact on the money maker, the Golden Goose, football.
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Cool; you have strong opinions about women’s sports you’ve
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Aug 4, 2023, 9:19 AM
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Made that painfully clear to everyone on this board; even though no one asked. The point is, that no matter how you feel about it, the race in admissions decision does nothing to support a repeal of title IX.
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No, I've strong opinions about federally mandated losses...
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Aug 4, 2023, 9:28 AM
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and programs that drive those; Title IX would fall under it as would many other programs.
Clemson and collegiate sport is the basis for the board. It fits perfectly, whether you care for it or not.
You seem to have a real problem creating argument when none existed. Other than an antiquated system or program, as was Affirmative Action, mine was a question, not an argument. Those arguments will be left to the attorneys and far brighter people than you, should someone decide it is time to challenge it.
If you don't care for the question, that's OK, you've the right.
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You asked for serious response that’s what you got
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I have no emotional response to your argument. You asked for responses to your argument; my response is that it’s wrong. If all you want is for people to agree with what you say; then I’m sure you have a circle of people who think just like you.
Now for the dozens of late night misogynist posts about Clemson women’s sports teams you’ve made over the last few months, many of which got you banned, yeah I don’t love that. Maybe that opinion filtered into my last post; but, keep in mind you don’t post in a vacuum we remember those other comments you’ve made.
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No, it appears you knee jerked a response to an argument...
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that you contrived. There's nothing serious about making things up, that's what children do in playtime.
I made no such argument, I asked a question.
It's ok if you're too emotionally encumbered to answer a question, but fabricating arguments when none existed is the playground of liars and those with no integrity.
You can continue, but it's just more of the same from yesterday's UNITED conversation where you're manufacturing things that did not exist or offering answers when you apparently don't really understand the question? That's telling.
[And I got banned for dominating the boards, not the content. It was the number of separate posts, which is padding. If the conversation tweaks your heart strings, perhaps you should excuse yourself? It's ok, your fabrications won't be missed.]
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We’ll set aside your personal attack and get back to my
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Aug 4, 2023, 10:32 AM
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Original post that had absolutely no personal connotation.
“ Engaged and let you know that your argument is not really on point. Part of Justice Robert’s ruling was that admissions at universities is a “zero sum” proposition; if you favor one group of students over another then that other group experience a negative impact. That argument could be extended and sited to support title IX. The intent of title IX was originally to tie the distribution of resources to the makeup of you student body. In this example fix the “zero sum” game so that your resources are divided between male and female students in the same ratio as enrollment. So if AA seeks to unfairly (as argued) skew the zero sum game in favor of a group that makes up a smaller portion of applicants; title IX seeks to level the distribution of resources and create equilibrium.
This isn’t an argument for title IX just a comment on your argument. ”
What do you feel is inaccurate with respect to your original request for Sirius responses?
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I made no argument, you claimed I did and then offered
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a rebuttal to an argument that did not exist: "you know that your argument is not really on point..."
Two old programs one challenged and overturned, does the other old program, 1972, need to be as well? It's been stated and restated, to no avail, which is your shortcoming and no one elses.
So, which part of your fabrications don't you get? Creating an argument when none existed? I need to go no further.
If the answer is less coarse than say general stupidity, then it might be you're too emotionally encumbered to see clearly and/or be honest. That's ok, it happens to the best and more so to those that aren't.
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Again setting aside your personal attacks
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You said, “after the Affirmative Action decision, is Title IX ripe for a long overdue challenge.” I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you understood that just because a decision was old it didn’t mean there was justification for its removal. I understood your comment to mean that there was some specific element to the race in admissions decision that you thought would provide a basis to challenge Title IX. There is not; but in fact Justice Robert’s majority opinion actually provides more justification for title IX not less.
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Yes, AA an old, antiquated program was reassessed; is it...
Aug 4, 2023, 11:54 AM
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now time to reassess and challenge other older programs, in this case Title IX as today's norms and 1972's might not be the same?
I didn't need nor ask for any benefit, your assumptions an affront and creating arguments where none exist just more of the same.
What seems perspicuous is you did not understand the question. I don't need an apology, I've little use or respect for liars and fornicators of the truth.
This isn't your first time.
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You’re correct I should not have given you the benefit of
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The doubt, as unsolicited as it was, because clearly it was undeserved. Apparently your whole point, as illogical as that is, is that rulings warrant re-examination for no other reason than that they are old. Here are some other “antiquated” rulings:
1968 - laws that prohibit interracial marriages are unconstitutional
1968 - public employees are entitled to 1st amendment free speech rights even if that speech is critical of their employer
1973- the use of property tax to fund education is constitutionally allowed
1982 - members of the national guard qualify as soldiers
Under your one and only requirement of time since the ruling, should we also re-examine these SCOTUS judgements?
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If they directly impact Clemson's athletic deparment...
Aug 4, 2023, 1:13 PM
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it's budget, perceived and or real shortfalls, as they relate to the current events of disparity in money across ADs, and it makes sense to do so, then they might need be? I was interested in Title IX only.
If not, then there are likely other boards and forums more fitting to make your query.
Title IX, has long impacted ADs and continues to create federally driven deficits in those.
Most importantly, what I would not do is lie, fabricate or manufacture arguments that do not exist. If you don't like being called those things or labeled as such, then maybe don't do them. It should be fairly simple, even for you?
Really, your post seems nothing more than another attempt to deflect from a really straight forward question because you made a fool of yourself and then for some odd reason continued to do so.
Again, a you issue.
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I perused your response and didn’t see an answer to my
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Question. Which of those antiquated SCOTUS rulings do you want to repeal? Because if we’re now back to talking about the merits of title IX, and not just it’s age, I’ll refer you to my first post.
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Of that I've no doubt.***
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Re: I made no argument, you claimed I did and then offered
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a rebuttal to an argument that did not exist: "you know that your argument is not really on point..."
Two old programs one challenged and overturned, does the other old program, 1972, need to be as well? It's been stated and restated, to no avail, which is your shortcoming and no one elses.
So, which part of your fabrications don't you get? Creating an argument when none existed? I need to go no further.
If the answer is less coarse than say general stupidity, then it might be you're too emotionally encumbered to see clearly and/or be honest. That's ok, it happens to the best and more so to those that aren't.
Google search what projecting is. I hope you heal from whatever is hurting you. You’re a sad and weak person. Time to look inward and fix what is broken in you. For your sake as well as others
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Clemson tried to end Track & Field, of course nefarious...
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reasons were bandied about even though it was clearly financial with perhaps Title IX considerations as well?
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Re: Clemson tried to end Track & Field, of course nefarious...
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and cross country if I recall correctly
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Yeps, it was all a part of it. DRad balked, as did Clemson.***
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Are those under music and arts' purview/department?***
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Band operates at a revenue deficit that was his point
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About whichever women’s sport it was he was bashing this time. Sports programs and music programs are both student enrichment programs. People who care about the university, and not just its athletic teams, value both.
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This is sport related, can you not stay on subject at all?
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Or do you have to run off into the weeds because you really have nothing other than emotion to offer?
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what if someone challenges the fact of athletic ability
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being used for admission criteria kind of like legacy is now being challenged - will the courts decide that's not an appropriate criteria for admission to and educational institution???? just curious, I could see that challenge being brought- not that I necessarily think they'd win the argument but you never know... where would that leave football for many.....
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You're not the first to ask that question. It's not 1972...
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Title IX any longer, maybe it's a good time to ask those questions and more.
There's a lot of money being bandied about from NIL and other.
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hope so.***
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Re: hope so.***
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Affirmative Action has always been the exact definition of racism no matter how they want to paint it.
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Yes, and it was time to reassess it. 1972 & its socially...
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accepted norms are a long way from today.
Is it time to challenge and reassess Title IX as well?
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Winnens shouldn’t be allowed in college. They are very distracting …
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But in kind of a good way.
Now what were we talking about?
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Yes, in a good sort of way, especially the bumpy parts...***
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Re: Yes, in a good sort of way, especially the bumpy parts...***
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Yes….. them soft squishy parts!
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Ironic that Harvard and UNC challenged AA
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when UNC offered classes in minority studies that some students (mostly athletes) weren't required to attend in order to pass. Also ironic that race is no longer a factor in admissions when the football and basketball teams you mention have a much higher percentage of minorities than the general public.
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Other than AA being an old program whose "best days" have...
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long passed, that's another discussion.
Not to dismiss it, because it is important, but Title IX is the here and now, still federally mandating losses and driving over-arching decisions in an environment far from 1972.
I am glad these older programs are being reassessed and hope they don't stop there - see Title IX.
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I don't think much would change if Title 9 was overturned.***
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Re: After the Affirmative Action decision, is Title IX ripe...
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I can give you a fine example of the stupidity brought on by Title IX and the way it was enforced. I was making a sales call one day at a small town golf shop in Texas. The phone rings and the Golf Professional took a phone call from a nearby college whose coach was having to establish a Women's golf team because of Title IX. When he hung up the phone, the Pro told me it was the 3rd call he had received that week from Ladies Coaches with the same story. They were all wanting to know if the Pro had any girls at his club who played golf. They didn't care if they could break 90, they just needed warm bodies. I remember thinking at the time what a dumb idea. Taking money generated by the donors and the football program and spending it on a sport where the participants couldn't play a lick, just to say they were spending the money. Dumb idea!
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Re: After the Affirmative Action decision, is Title IX ripe...
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And the other side of it is the men's sports that were eliminated due to Title IX -- wrestling, men's gymnastics, etc.
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Re: After the Affirmative Action decision, is Title IX ripe...
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My thoughts exactly. Why create a problem if there isn't one. Furthermore, a newly formed team in any sport doesn't need, deserve, or shouldn't demand the same facilities as a long term money generating cash cow. Once the ball is rolling with respect to the new sport or failing sport for that matter, sure, invest more capital.
Furthermore, you 2 should get a room, and either get to fightin' or f@ckin'.
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