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A lot has changed in 5 years.
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In 2018, we beat FSU 59-10. That year, we finished 15-0, culminating in a 44-16 drubbing of Alabama to win our second national championship in 3 years.
In 2019, we also dominated FSU, beating them 45-14. We made the playoffs again that year, but lost to LSU in the national championship by 17 points. We had already started slipping ever so slightly.
In 2020, we did not play FSU due to COVID. We made the playoffs again but lost to Ohio State 49-28. We continued slipping some, but it was subtle.
In 2021, we beat FSU 30-20. They were competitive against us for the first time in a while. We continued our slide, missing the playoffs for the first time in many years.
In 2022, we beat FSU 34-28 in a close game. We missed the playoffs for the second year in a row.
In 2023, we lost to FSU 34-27. We are now 2-2 and will miss the playoffs for the third year in a row, while FSU is 4-0 and ranked in the top 5.
We’ve fallen a lot since that 59-10 drubbing of FSU five years ago. It’s sad to see.
Meanwhile, FSU has improved considerably in those five years. Our games against them exemplify their improvement and our regression.
I hope Dabo can figure it out, but I believe it’s going to take a significant overhaul of his coaching staff. We need better and more qualified coaches. We also need to be willing to use the transfer portal to address needs.
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One thing is the same - Brown L still sucks
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Re: One thing is the same - Brown L still sucks
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
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I'm with you on that. But I think it's too little too late. I've been saying it for over 2 years. But most on this board hated on me. Do you know how long it takes to be so good that 80% of the teams in the country are afraid of you and they have already lost the game before the first kickoff? We were being spoken of as a dynasty just 3 or 4 years ago. It was us and Alabama then there was everybody else behind us. Not anymore. Dabo was to slow to make changes. And still hasn't changed in the transfer portal. Florida State had a better QB, and at least one better receiver. And we got outcoached in parts of the game. Mainly the crucial parts.
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The lack of player development is our biggest problem.
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We still recruit really well, but are getting much worse results from that talent compared to our playoff years.
I don’t think we are evaluating recruits poorly. We have multiple 5 star recruits on our team, as well as many high 4 stars. We are more talented than almost everyone we play, but we don’t perform like it. That speaks to poor player development.
We used to be great at developing players, but now we are bad at it.
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Re: The lack of player development in men's basketball is our biggest problem.
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FIFY
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Re: The lack of player development is our biggest problem.
Sep 23, 2023, 10:33 PM
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No. The problem is that we aren't getting the talent we used to get at two positions: quarterback and receiver. The reason we aren't is primarily because more of the Big boys (Alabama, Ohio St., Georgia, etc.) are switching to more pass-oriented offenses. That means we have more competition for elite quarterbacks/receivers than we did 5 or 6 years ago.
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Disagree
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DJ and Klubnik were both 5 star recruits; problem is we keep hoping Trevor Lawrence comes thru the door which ain’t happening. The Chad Morris HUNH was still prevalent in 2016, after DW4 left the offense changed. The slower pace helped the D but the offense didn’t click again until 16 took over for KB. Once 16 went pro, this team has had ZERO offense identity.
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Re: Disagree
Sep 24, 2023, 2:51 PM
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You can't just go by stars. You have to go by the specific ability needed for your team. Uiagalelei is a good example. If he played for Georgia, where they have an elite offensive line and he can sit back in the pocket, he probably would be great. When he has to play behind a line built for a running quarterback, he doesn't have that ability. If we had Brice Young or CJ Stroud, it would have been a different story.
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Cade was a 5 star recruit, widely considered the top QB in his class.
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Sep 24, 2023, 10:14 AM
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We have had some very highly touted pass catchers in recent years as well. Per 247Sports:
-Jake Briningstool was the #3 tight end in his class
-Antonio Williams was the #6 receiver in his class
-Joe Ngata was the #6 receiver in his class
-Derion Kendrick was the #6 receiver in his class
-Frank Ladson was the #9 receiver in his class
-EJ Williams was the #13 receiver in his class
-Justyn Ross was the #16 receiver in his class
-Adam Randall was the #17 receiver in his class
-Beaux Collins was the #26 receiver in his class
The talent is there, they just aren’t being developed.
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Re: Cade was a 5 star recruit, widely considered the top QB in his class.
Sep 24, 2023, 2:46 PM
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No, the talent is not there you can't develop speed. You can't vertical ability.
We have complementary players. These guys are good for what they do, but that's not what we need. We don't have anyone one the team with the vertical ability of Mike Williams. We don't have anyone with the speed of Amari Rodgers. We don't have anyone wirh the size or arm of Trevor Lawrence. You can't "develop" that.
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
Sep 24, 2023, 2:19 PM
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Saying that FSU had a better QB is a bit of an unfair comparison. Travis is a 6th year senior starting his 31st game. Klubnik is a 2nd year sophomore starting his 5th game. They should be better at QB. And both had similar stats for the game.
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
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In 2018, we beat FSU 59-10. That year, we finished 15-0, culminating in a 44-16 drubbing of Alabama to win our second national championship in 3 years.
In 2019, we also dominated FSU, beating them 45-14. We made the playoffs again that year, but lost to LSU in the national championship by 17 points. We had already started slipping ever so slightly.
In 2020, we did not play FSU due to COVID. We made the playoffs again but lost to Ohio State 49-28. We continued slipping some, but it was subtle.
In 2021, we beat FSU 30-20. They were competitive against us for the first time in a while. We continued our slide, missing the playoffs for the first time in many years.
In 2022, we beat FSU 34-28 in a close game. We missed the playoffs for the second year in a row.
In 2023, we lost to FSU 34-27. We are now 2-2 and will miss the playoffs for the third year in a row, while FSU is 4-0 and ranked in the top 5.
We’ve fallen a lot since that 59-10 drubbing of FSU five years ago. It’s sad to see.
Meanwhile, FSU has improved considerably in those five years. Our games against them exemplify their improvement and our regression.
I hope Dabo can figure it out, but I believe it’s going to take a significant overhaul of his coaching staff. We need better and more qualified coaches. We also need to be willing to use the transfer portal to address needs.
You just couldn't wait could you?...
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
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2017–18 25–10 11–7 T-3rd NCAA Sweet 16
2018–19 20–14 9–9 T-8th NIT Second Round
2019–20 16–15 9–11 8th
2020–21 16–8 10–6 T–5th NCAA first round
2021–22 17–16 8–12 10th NIT First Round
2022–23 23–11 14–6 T-3rd
Since 2018 we have 2 winning records in ACC play and 1-3 in post season play out of 100 teams
In another sport:
Since 2018 we have 2 ACC championships and 1-2 in CFP play out of 4 teams
Can you name the 2 sports?
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
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SMH.
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Our decline is sad, isnt it?***
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Re: Our decline is sad, isnt it?***
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Your smugness and pleasure in our losses is what’s sad.
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Yes, I grew up a Clemson fan, graduated from Clemson, and joined TNet 20 years ago
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all because I enjoy watching Clemson lose.
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Re: Yes, I grew up a Clemson fan, graduated from Clemson, and joined TNet 20 years ago
Sep 24, 2023, 2:44 PM
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Failed attempt at witty sarcasm aside, your resume is overshadowed by your comments on here. Every comment on the football program is dripping with disdain and contempt.
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Re: Our decline is sad, isnt it?***
Sep 24, 2023, 7:27 AM
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Your trolling is. You ignore any constructive discussion on the issue.
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I am all for constructive discussion.
Sep 24, 2023, 1:05 PM
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The problem is, some of you aren’t. You make excuses and talk about how successful Dabo was in the past, conveniently ignoring the issues we have now.
Sadly, several of us here have tried to warn the rest of you for the last few years that we were trending the wrong direction, but you didn’t want to hear it.
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
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I have to give credit where it is due. Congratulations on the loss today Judge.
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
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It’s simple really. We have became complacent. (Getting more money than most on this board will ever make in a lifetime x5 will do that to you) and lost the competitive edge to hire the best coaches and recruit the best players. It’s been that way for a while, but just now starting to show
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
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who is the ex-roommate of Dabo who is the co-defensive coordinator again?
My God I want to cry that I can't even remember his name. How did this happen?
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Mickey Conn.***
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Thats right, thanks.***
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For a co-DC, its amazing how little he is mentioned.
Sep 24, 2023, 1:07 PM
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I rarely hear Dabo mention him. He’s almost never interviewed. It’s odd.
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If Dabo can keep it up at this rate youll be on here defending him in no time***
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
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Those are ALOT of words...too bad I didn't read them👍
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You probably shouldnt read it.
Sep 23, 2023, 4:45 PM
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I’m not sure your ego can handle it.
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Re: You probably shouldnt read it.
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Ooooooooooooooh
ABSOLUTELY devastating 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Re: You probably shouldnt read it.
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Judge Keller you are the WORST Brownell boot-licking A$$hole on the board. You are sooo happy to see FSU win today and get on the board to gloat. You are a sorry POS and you don't love Jesus.
WT
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Re: You probably shouldnt read it.
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I endorse this reply 👍😊
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
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I’d say it’s more about their improvement. This is still a top 10 football program.
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How are we still a top 10 football program?
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We didn’t finish in the top 10 in 2021 or 2022, and won’t in 2023 either.
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Re: How are we still a top 10 football program?
Sep 23, 2023, 4:56 PM
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It depends on what you measure. Last 3 years... No Last 10 years... Yes
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If we have to cite the last 10 years to overcome the last 3
Sep 24, 2023, 1:08 PM
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then we aren’t a top 10 program.
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Re: How are we still a top 10 football program?
Sep 23, 2023, 5:10 PM
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Overall taking into account all factors, name 10 programs that are ahead of clemson right now.
We are still the top program in the ACC. Hell FSU had not beaten us in SEVEN years.
You sound like a #### fan.
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What factors do you want to include?
Sep 24, 2023, 1:11 PM
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I’m going by success on the field, and there is not really a case to be made that we are a top 10 program today.
Again, we haven’t finished in the top 10 since 2020. In 2021 and 2022, we finished outside the top 10. We won’t finish in the top 10 this year either.
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
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You sure about that, you might want to take the glasses off. It was but it’s currently not.
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
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I rarely agree with you but this assessment is dead on.
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Its incredible how sensitive most TNET members are to the truth.
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Delusion follows them in many facets of their lives it seems.
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Lol @ we.***
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Bahahahahha
Sep 23, 2023, 5:49 PM
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Nobody believes you hope Dabo “figures it out.”
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Cycling out
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
Sep 24, 2023, 7:33 AM
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You should stop talking...everybody hates you
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
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Everything you said is true.
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Well, theyre called 'mountaintops' for a reason
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And youve charted the slide from the mountaintop well thru the FSU lense.
Dabo's had a great run at Clemson. Mack
Brown had a similar run -- and slide -- at Texas but when it started slipping in year 16**, Mack hung em up.
I wouldnt fire Dabo because firing him strips the program down to the studs.
It'd almost be like giving it the death penalty, given how far behind they are in portal development and NIL programming.
Thats because Dabo built the thing, and only Dabo can sell it to recruits. Aint nobody got his charisma.
So you've got a Tiger (no pun) by the tail here.
Either y'all let Dabo decide when Dabo goes -- and watch the slide continue indefinitely while he grooms a replacement -- which I believe is Riley.
Or, ask him to step down and admit to the world the party's over. And watch donors gallop off in droves.
Either way, the days of CFPs and landing a passel of 4/5* kids out of high school are over after yesterday. FSU bodied this team. ND will too. And I think USC and maybe Miami will, too.
Therefore, given Clemson's position as the second (or maybe third or fourth) best program in the dying ACC, how long before they get back to the mountaintop will be measured in decades, if ever.
If I was Neff, I'd be looking at what USC is doing with portal/NIL and following suit.
Meanwhile, Dabo'll
keep greeting top recruits with an aw shucks handshake and a trip down the slide instead of sitting them down and going over a life-changing NIL package.
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Good post. I guess telling it like it is
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…is not too great for the ole pulse rating.
There are people on here still calling us a “top 10” team. W.T.F?
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I just have the benefit of having lived thru
Sep 24, 2023, 5:16 PM
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Texas's rise and fall under Mack Brown who is shockingly like Dabo.
It's also just football. It aint real life.
Those who make it more than that prolly have much bigger problems going on in the background.
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
Sep 24, 2023, 8:20 AM
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Why does TNet tolerate this #######?
I’m out and I’m taking my money with me.
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You have a problem with TNet tolerating the truth?!?***
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
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In 2018, we beat FSU 59-10. That year, we finished 15-0, culminating in a 44-16 drubbing of Alabama to win our second national championship in 3 years.
In 2019, we also dominated FSU, beating them 45-14. We made the playoffs again that year, but lost to LSU in the national championship by 17 points. We had already started slipping ever so slightly.
In 2020, we did not play FSU due to COVID. We made the playoffs again but lost to Ohio State 49-28. We continued slipping some, but it was subtle.
In 2021, we beat FSU 30-20. They were competitive against us for the first time in a while. We continued our slide, missing the playoffs for the first time in many years.
In 2022, we beat FSU 34-28 in a close game. We missed the playoffs for the second year in a row.
In 2023, we lost to FSU 34-27. We are now 2-2 and will miss the playoffs for the third year in a row, while FSU is 4-0 and ranked in the top 5.
We’ve fallen a lot since that 59-10 drubbing of FSU five years ago. It’s sad to see.
Meanwhile, FSU has improved considerably in those five years. Our games against them exemplify their improvement and our regression.
I hope Dabo can figure it out, but I believe it’s going to take a significant overhaul of his coaching staff. We need better and more qualified coaches. We also need to be willing to use the transfer portal to address needs.
He won’t figure it out because he’s not willing to change his ideologies to match modern football.
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Im concerned that youre right.***
Sep 24, 2023, 1:18 PM
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Typical post by you
Sep 24, 2023, 8:45 AM
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First, when you win 2 natties in 3 years - and have 2 of the best QBs to ever play college football - you just might take a step back. Lol.
Add portal taking talent from poor teams and moving them to flawed but talented teams and now you have parity. Bama, Ohio state, Clemson - the big 3 for years - none have taken on more than a couple transfers in the past few years (combined). Why do you think that is? They recruit solid across the board. Teams like FSU with massive gaps had holes to fill. They were horrible, now they are not. You think transfers will continue if their depth chart fills up? Nope.
We understand your motives by your post. You are simply crying about Brads failures. Transparent post.
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
Sep 24, 2023, 8:57 AM
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So what coaching changes do you suggest? We just got the Broyles award winner from last year as our offensive coordinator. I question whether Goodwin can do it next year when the talent falls off, but the defense only gave up 17 in regulation to what is supposed to be one of the best offenses in college football.
The position coaches are important but I don't know if that would be considered a major overhaul. Austin and Spiller are fairly new and both position groups seem to be moving in the right direction. It is tough for me to see any position coach on the defense being a major problem. So is changing Grisham out a major overhaul?
We have had such a problem with injuries, that I do think we need to investigate if there is some conditioning issue, but it could also just be bad luck.
The thing that you don't address is that when we beat Alabama, the only direction to go is down. Yes we have slipped but there is not a big gap between this team and the 2018 National Championship team. We outplayed the #4 team in the country yesterday and lost because of a few poor plays. I do think that the coaches are largely responsible for several of the poor plays, but you do your best to learn from the mistakes and move ahead.
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Other than Garrett Riley, Mike Reed, and possibly Nick Eason
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Sep 24, 2023, 1:58 PM
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our assistant coaches are unqualified for their current roles.
Dabo never should have put the likes of Goodwin, Conn, or Grisham in their positions. It’s ludicrous that a program of our caliber would do that. Replacing them is the next logical move.
I agree that injuries should be examined more closely, including our S&C methods.
It’s not that we didn’t maintain our last national championship performance. It’s that we have fallen off precipitously since then. And it’s also how we’ve fallen; much of it could’ve been prevented with better decisions regarding coaching hires/promotions, being faster to adapt our approach, utilizing the portal, etc.
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You might have a point
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Sep 24, 2023, 8:07 PM
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if you were smart enough to make a point.
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The difference is weve had what 4 QBs since that 2018 title
Sep 24, 2023, 9:12 AM
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Fla St. has the same guy. And over 6 years he got a little bit better until they finally won. They will have their year then fall off for another 4-5.
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We need a combination of recruiting AND portal players.
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Sep 24, 2023, 9:23 AM
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They need to us the portal to fill in the gaps. Maybe we find a decent 6'5" WR or a Tackle that can help to bolster the offensive line. Maybe even a decent kicker! Either way, we should be using all of the tools at our disposal including the portal. I understand Dabo wanting "Clemson guys" on the team. We need to keep doing that but think bigger and bring in a few guys every year off the portal to improve the overall performance of the team. Just my $.02.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
Sep 24, 2023, 1:09 PM
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What’s your opinion on Lemensaki Hall Judge?
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This Doesn't Make Brad Look Any Better***
Sep 24, 2023, 1:12 PM
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This has nothing to do with basketball.***
Sep 24, 2023, 2:05 PM
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
Sep 24, 2023, 1:26 PM
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While it may true that Clemson has slipped some from possibly one of the best college football teams ever that destroyed Alabama in the title game. It is good that FSU and some of the other ACC teams have improved considerably. It is better to have completive games than to go out winning ever single game by 30+ points. We have not slipped as much as other teams have improved. Give them a little credit.
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We have slipped a lot.
Sep 24, 2023, 2:06 PM
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It’s not because other teams got better.
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
Sep 24, 2023, 2:23 PM
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FSU was in the doldrums then like we would be if Dabo left. They were terrible losing to Everyone. Why? Their Administration made some bad mistakes. If not for pay to play they would not be where they are today. Money has changed the sport and you have not seen anything yet.
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Re: A lot has changed in 5 years.
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