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So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
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Sounds like you want to fire Dabo and get a coach that will bring in players through the portal. Is this what the complainers really want?
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
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May 20, 2024, 8:31 AM
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No. They think should stay and use the portal as well. They like Dabo.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
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May 20, 2024, 8:33 AM
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It sure doesn’t sound like it.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
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May 20, 2024, 8:50 AM
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Ain't nobody calling for Dabo to be fired. Time will tell about portal.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
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May 20, 2024, 9:32 AM
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The UGA game will provide an early read on portal just as FSU, Duke, MIA and NCSU did last year.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
May 20, 2024, 9:49 AM
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Georgia has 8 players projected in the first two rounds of the draft next year by draft "experts". 5 in the first round. They recruited them. Can't go by that game.
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They also recruited 9 portal transfers including six 4-stars
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May 20, 2024, 11:48 AM
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Georgia has 8 players projected in the first two rounds of the draft next year by draft "experts". 5 in the first round. They recruited them. Can't go by that game.
UGA is managing and enhancing every facet of their football program. Fair to hate their lax monitoring of UGA player/drivers but not their management of their pro football team.
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GA pays the HIGHEST NIL for their players***
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Not according to this source.
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May 20, 2024, 9:51 PM
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They're 4th behind Texas, Ohio State, and LSU. We are 9th if I'm reading this correctly.
https://nil-ncaa.com/power5/
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
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May 20, 2024, 9:36 AM
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Dabo’s not going to change his philosophy on recruiting because it is what The Program is built on. He is a man of deep convictions, whether you agree with him or not, he is not going to change.
So knowing this, is it time to move on to someone who will use the portal to bring in players? If you truly don’t believe in his system then now is the time to make the change.
Personally I trust Dabo’s system and believe he will be back in the National Championship game soon. I also don’t think there is a better coach for Clemson than William Christopher Swinney.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
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May 20, 2024, 11:49 AM
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Results matter, time will tell. It is just a little hard to accept that he is the only one who has it right and every other program in the country is just flat out wrong. If that turns out to be the case then he will get the kudos (and results) he deserves.
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Fair statement and Clemson would be foolish to not keep Dabo for a long time
May 20, 2024, 11:55 AM
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Dabo’s not going to change his philosophy on recruiting because it is what The Program is built on. He is a man of deep convictions, whether you agree with him or not, he is not going to change.
So knowing this, is it time to move on to someone who will use the portal to bring in players? If you truly don’t believe in his system then now is the time to make the change.
Personally I trust Dabo’s system and believe he will be back in the National Championship game soon. I also don’t think there is a better coach for Clemson than William Christopher Swinney.
When Dabo decides to leaves, Clemson will likely hire a more Ford-like coach who will speak to character but is more focused on football including the transfer portal. At that point, Clemson's fan base will lose some of the "our players are higher character than yours" mentality, and like the new coach, focus on bringing in talent and winning.
Times change, but there are few Dabo's out there. Lightning in a bottle. Right time. Right coach.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
May 20, 2024, 10:19 PM
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Im sure theres still some rich a-holes associated with Clemson athletics, who pushed for Jack Leggett to be fired years ago. That set our baseball team back a decade. Never underestimate a "southern gentleman" being scorned
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Then you aren't paying attention
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May 20, 2024, 9:59 AM
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Every poster who's advocated for increased portal usage has gone out of their way to talk about how much better we are because Dabo is our coach. I'm able to have a great deal of respect and admiration for our coach even though I think he should do this one thing differently.
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Re: Then you aren't paying attention
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May 20, 2024, 6:36 PM
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“ Every poster ” is easily disproven, so everything that follows is meaningless.
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Cool; thanks for weighing in***
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
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May 20, 2024, 9:45 AM
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It is fear driven. Dabo's strategy is a huge gamble that alot of people do not think will pay off.
Have you seen the move U-571? Fans are like the young sailor that was shouting at the young gunner to shoot at a German reconnisance plane when Matthew McConehey's character as acting captain tells everyone to stand down. Shooting at an enemy before they shoot you is the obvious play to make, but the gamble was that the plane would see them as a friendly and not shoot. So the point being that we have a coach and he is in charge, we proably are not doing overal morale much good by shouting to shoot when his play is to do something else.
Do we think players and staff never make the mistake of reading our diatribes about how screwed Clemson is and how the coach is going to deep six the team if he does not use the portal? These comments go way beyond TNet. The media will play this as hard as they can because they want a train wreck. Train wrecks are exciting, more exciting than success stories.
We fans really ought to be fans and get on board because we are not the leader of the team and never will be. If you can't perhaps you should move to being a Coots fan. Who needs fans that who refuse to relax and back the team leaders play? I am as doubtful as anyone, but it is what it is. Stop bi_otching about the portal...its too negative at this point. The strategy is in play, the team is set...get on the ship or move on.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
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May 20, 2024, 9:47 AM
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The results speak for themselves don’t they? Duke became legit, FSU jumped us, and the last 3 of 4 national champions had Qb from the portal. No one is asking to fire Dabo. We’re asking that he uses the tools available. Imagine if we added Keon Coleman or any one of the legit 1000 yard receivers added through the portal. Dabo is refusing to use one of the stronger tools because he believes it can’t work. Results from everywhere else prove it does work. Instant senior leadership and a proven player passed just because he’s in the portal? How many former five stars turn out to be garbage in college? Far more than transfers who don’t work out. We have to keep the arms race going or we get further behind every day. Dabo’s playing checkers while everyone else is playing chess. The losses prove so.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
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May 20, 2024, 10:04 AM
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Remember that at some point we jumped FSU without the portal. The previous championship teams were built without the portal. You are like the Apostle Peter trying to walk on water...he looked at the wind and the waves and got scared. Dabo is not Jesus bby any means, but he did build a championship program and hung right up there at the top for alot of seasons. He swung and missed with a few coaches and players and that can drop a team down pretty quickly. It does not mean he can't get it back together without using hired guns. He's a proven winner...stop being so scared.
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There's no fear just frustration
May 20, 2024, 10:15 AM
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CFB is a fundamentally different sport now from the one that existed when Dabo built us into a power house. It's not a coincidence that big money programs like TX are finally "back" now that you can legally pay players.
Dabo is absolutely right, most of the players in the portal aren't good enough to play at Clemson; however, it's the 20 or 30 guys that would be an upgrade that make a difference. NFL franchises seek to turnover the bottom third of their rosters each year, now elite CFB teams are doing the same. We dont need to go that far but 2 or 3 upgrades would certainly make a difference. We won't win another natty unless something changes.
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No it's just a paper written by a college kid without any reference to the model
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May 20, 2024, 10:34 AM
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Statistics. But for the sake of argument here are the conclusions they make that apply most closely to our situation
"We found that transfer quarterbacks and interior offensive linemen significantly outperformed recruits"
"Our results suggest that coaches and recruiters should diligently use the portal for strategic acquisitions rather than as a replacement for traditional recruiting through high school and junior college,”
This is exactly what we've been saying no one wants us to become Colorado we're just looking for a little help
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Exactly. Most high school recruits arent good enough to play for us either
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May 20, 2024, 7:09 PM
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but that hasn’t stopped Dabo from recruiting high school players.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
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May 20, 2024, 12:10 PM
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We jumped FSU when the portal didn't exist and everyone was essentially competing on a level playing field for top HS talent, which is where we excelled. Now, the game is changed and others are using it to their advantage to improve their teams and competitiveness. The teams we lost to last year show how that gap is narrowing as they are able to grab talent from the portal that they missed in their HS recruiting. Again, we are talking about being selective and picky, not a wholesale change in what we do.
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Which teams win a natty without transfers since 2018?
May 20, 2024, 10:02 PM
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2019/20 - LSU had Joe Burrow and beat us.
2020/21 - Alabama had two stars transfer in...Jameson Eolis s and Henry To'o To'o.
2021/22 - Anyone remember Derion Kendrick?
Just examples of how key transfers can really help a good team be great...
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
May 20, 2024, 10:12 AM
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The results speak for themselves don’t they? Duke became legit, FSU jumped us, and the last 3 of 4 national champions had Qb from the portal. No one is asking to fire Dabo. We’re asking that he uses the tools available. Imagine if we added Keon Coleman or any one of the legit 1000 yard receivers added through the portal. Dabo is refusing to use one of the stronger tools because he believes it can’t work. Results from everywhere else prove it does work. Instant senior leadership and a proven player passed just because he’s in the portal? How many former five stars turn out to be garbage in college? Far more than transfers who don’t work out. We have to keep the arms race going or we get further behind every day. Dabo’s playing checkers while everyone else is playing chess. The losses prove so.
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Time will tell on the portal topic but the last 2-3 years were the result of several factors. A couple of bad coaching hires, trying to sell culture over skype does not work and a couple of 5* QBs who did not live up the billing. It issue has multiple variables so how can you assign the cause over one variable? the other point is Dabo is able to sell the lack of portal use on the recruiting trail so we are able to sign top classes without millions of NIL $ which I dont thing we have in the bank.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
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May 20, 2024, 11:01 AM
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The point I am trying to make is that Dabo is not going to change his philosophy. So, if you continue to believe that the only way to win another National Championship is through use of the portal then you should form a group to get Dabo fired.
I back Dabo because he has forgotten more about coaching football than I’ll ever know.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
May 20, 2024, 11:02 AM
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I've never seen any post on Tigernet that said Dabo
should be fired. Dabo is the best coach we have ever
and this is no slap to the late great Frank Howard
the legend because he was a very good coach but the
record and the championships and so on never lie.
Dabo will leave when Dabo thinks he should but not
because of his football record.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
May 20, 2024, 11:22 AM
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No, no one has the testicles to just say get rid of Dabo because he is going to lose to Georgia and other teams due to not using the portal.
But Dabo is never going to use the portal and all of you know that.
So if believe Clemson’s success is tied to the use of the portal then you should be calling for Dabo’s head. This thinking says the program is going backwards because of the lack of use of the portal.
Hear me this time, he is NEVER going to use the portal to bring in three starters. NEVER, either accept it or form a group to get him fired.
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I think you're onto something.
May 20, 2024, 12:10 PM
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When will the Clemson fanbase turn against Dabo in the main for his dogged refusal to modernize the football program competely? He still runs the program as if it's 2015. Will back-to-back 8 or 9-win seasons in the weakest Power 4 conference be the tipping point? Personally, I blame our decline on the pathetic, asinine coaching hires made from circa 2017-2022. To his credit, Dabo is trying to dig himself out of this self-induced hole, but arguably too slowly to stop the boat from taking in so much water that it sinks.
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Nope. I just want Dabo to occasionally bring in someone where we have a need.***
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
May 20, 2024, 11:59 AM
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I don't want Dabo to go anywhere. But I also want Dabo to start bringing in 4-5 transfers an off-season. I don't understand why we can't have both of those things. His refusal to use the portal puts us at a competitive disadvantage compared to the elite programs in the country. Will Dabo's strategy still result in 9-10 wins a season? I think so. He's recruiting the HS kids at a very high level and he's a great coach. I think the refusal to use the portal will put a cap on the programs potential to compete at the highest level.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
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May 20, 2024, 5:51 PM
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So you want to keep Dabo IF he does what you want him to do. I wonder how that would have worked 2016-2018.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
May 20, 2024, 10:15 PM
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No, I want him to stop being so stubborn and arrogant. Don’t put words in my mouth, #######.
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Evolve or get left behind...***
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Right now we're choosing the second option.
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Re: So much complaining about Dabo not using the transfer portal on this board.
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It will be interesting to see what the portal lovers have to say if and when our Tigers are in the top 2 at the end of the season.
I will expect the best and be surprised at the rest.
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No one wants to fire Dabo, but many of us are frustrated
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that he isn’t doing everything he can to make us better.
He has a $100 million contract. The expectation is high level success on and off the field. He is currently falling well short of that expectation, and it is partly due to horrible decisions he has made in recent years. His non-usage of the portal is one of them.
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