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Some data points to consider for the “Clemson should admit more in-state students”
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Some data points to consider for the “Clemson should admit more in-state students”


Feb 14, 2018, 11:05 AM

Clemson has not increased its out of state percentage over the past two decades, hovering around 2/3 instate students.

That means that 2/3rds of a highly regarded university enrollment is targeted for the senior class of a state with a population of 5 million and that USNWR ranks as the poorest education system in the country. The remaining 1/3 of spots are offered to the 318 million Americans or 7.5 billion in the world.

That has been the case for 20 years, despite the state government reducing its allocation from 23.6% ($163M) in 2009 to 14% ($124M) in 2017. The 2009 budget was about the same total $ amount as it was in 1997, which would mean the percentage at that point was even higher in 1997 given the way the university has increased in size and given inflation.

Clemson’s Out of State ratio is lower than:
USC Columbia
The Citadel
The College of Charleston
Coastal Carolina

Those who complain that Clemson doesn’t do enough for the state, I say the state doesn’t do enough for Clemson.

As I say every year, nothing to see here. Clemson goes above and beyond to fulfill any perceived duty as a public state school.

And a quick word on the Bridge Program. I graduated from Clemson in 1998. I have met a lot of Clemson grads in my life. Not once did I or anyone I know ever ask “okay you graduated from Clemson...but did you start in the Bridge program?”

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Depends on your definition of roughly. Is 59%/41% roughly 66%/33% ?


Feb 14, 2018, 11:11 AM

Doesn't really matter. Your kids will hey in or they won't. Posting on Tnet won't change it and I doubt uniformed justifications on Tnet will make the rejected feel any better.

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That depends on where you're getting the 59/41 number from.***


Feb 14, 2018, 12:23 PM



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Odd you didn't question where 66/33 came from


Feb 14, 2018, 12:28 PM

But any way.. it is like 3 posts down..from clemson
https://www.tigernet.com/forum/thread/Clemson-Briefing-on-Admissions-1783413

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Geville Tiger on Clemson football , "Dabo's only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


Fair point. To be clear, I should have written that Clemson


Feb 14, 2018, 12:44 PM

seeks to have about 2/3 in-state. Most years that’s where it lands. The data in your link support this. Clemson accepted11,483 applicants, 31.5% of which were from out of state. So less than the 1/3rd I mentioned. The question is, why did only 27% of instate acceptees enroll while 42% of out of state acceptees did? That’s not within the control of Clemson.

I stand by my comment - Clemson goes above and beyond to support the home state - a state with only 5 million people and one of the worst educational systems in the country. It does so at a time when out of state students are apparently desperate to spend $10s of thousands of dollars more to go to Clemson.

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Re: Fair point. To be clear, I should have written that Clemson


Feb 14, 2018, 1:33 PM

Based on what I have observed over the last couple of years with my daughter, a senior this year, a LOT of SC high school students seem to apply to Clemson with no intentions of ever attending just to prove that they can get in. I was skeptical of this but based on what I have observed with local students who were accepted last year and didn't attend, ones that were accepted this year and have no plans to attend and the fact that only 27% of accepted in state students enrolled it seems to be accurate.

The Bridge seems to be where many legacies end up, it would be interesting to know what percentage of Bridge offers are accepted.

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Re: Some data points to consider for the “Clemson should admit more in-state students”


Feb 14, 2018, 11:24 AM

As a father I can understand the emotion of seeing your child rejected. However, it's hard for me to understand those who blame it on Clemson. One of the biggest South Carolina fans I know grew up a Clemson fan, but changed sides and HATES Clemson because she got rejected. The world is a competitive place, and I fully understand disappointment. I just don't understand the anger and blame placement.

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I think you'll find out that is why most scar grads hate clemson***


Feb 14, 2018, 11:35 AM



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^^^ GREAT POST ^^^


Feb 14, 2018, 11:34 AM

And great quote:

Those who complain that Clemson doesn’t do enough for the state, I say the state doesn’t do enough for Clemson.

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Re: ^^^ GREAT POST ^^^


Feb 14, 2018, 11:45 AM

Exactly


Ask not what you can do for the state, ask what the state can do for you

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Socialism?***


Feb 14, 2018, 12:29 PM



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Great post***


Feb 14, 2018, 11:53 AM



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Don't confuse us with facts.***


Feb 14, 2018, 11:59 AM



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Posting on Tnet makes it a fact?***


Feb 14, 2018, 12:30 PM



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Re: Some data points to consider for the “Clemson should admit more in-state students”


Feb 14, 2018, 12:00 PM

I was bridge before it called bridge, in all honesty I wish we had bridge back then. I was a TCTC transfer into Clemson and picked up 2 AAS degrees along the way in broadcasting and university transfer. From what I understand bridge allows students to have a clearer pathway to finishing Clemson with some of the perks enjoyed by other Clemson Students. Bridge students are allowed to participate in Band, and other clubs and activities where as before bridge you waiting until after transfer to enjoy those aspects of college life.

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Re: Some data points to consider for the “Clemson should admit more in-state students”


Feb 14, 2018, 12:32 PM

Your percentage is wrong - it’s 59/41. And South Carolina’s percentage is almost exactly the same. So two of your “facts” are completely wrong.

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See my post above. Why are only 27% of SC students accepting


Feb 14, 2018, 12:46 PM

their Clemson offer but 42% of our of state students are? My guess is that that’s an anomaly that they did not account for. Only 31.5% of Clemson’s accepted students are from out of state.

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Re: See my post above. Why are only 27% of SC students accepting


Feb 14, 2018, 4:09 PM

Cost. That's why. Clemson is expensive for an in-state public school.

And unfortuantely, Clemson's financial aid department is one of the worst, most abhorrent and borderline abusive/negligent financial aid departments in the entire nation. Its sad how poorly our student financial aid and payment/cost structure is.

Did you know that Clemson does not allow full scholarships? The only full rides to Clemson are ONLY available to "big" sports like football and basketball. Students that are not athletes are not permitted to have full rides.

Even if your student has enough 3rd party scholarships to cover full cost tuition at Clemson, Clemson financial aid requires a large percentage of your tuition payments to be cold hard cash from your bank account or via student loans.

That's a huge reason why in-state kids dont go to Clemson and it is one of the most underrated and undisclosed issues at Clemson. After getting a first hand experience as to how Clemson Financial Aid operates, I would not be surprised if people went to jail based on how that department is operated.

And this is coming from someone who had very little experience with CU Financial Aid. I can't imagine what its like for kids who seriously need it.

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Clemson Fact book is your friend..68% in state for undergrad


Feb 14, 2018, 12:58 PM [ in reply to Re: Some data points to consider for the “Clemson should admit more in-state students” ]

enrollment. Between 68-70% for the last 4 or 5 years. I'll leave it to you to check others to try and prove your point.

https://www.clemson.edu/oirweb1/FB/factbook/minifactbook.cgi

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62.5% for total enrollment (which is really not anyone here


Feb 14, 2018, 1:00 PM

cares about). Either way, where did you pull 59/41%.

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nm..I see your post above. Still, I've never seen actual


Feb 14, 2018, 1:02 PM

ug enrollment with less than 65% in state...if even that low.

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Re: Some data points to consider for the “Clemson should admit more in-state students”


Feb 14, 2018, 12:32 PM

Your percentage is wrong - it’s 59/41. And South Carolina’s percentage is almost exactly the same. So two of your “facts” are completely wrong.

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Re: Some data points to consider for the “Clemson should admit more in-state students”


Feb 14, 2018, 2:54 PM

That was enrollment percentage for Fall 2017, Clemson accepted 68% in-state applications, after that they can't force the in-state kids to go there.

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