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California "Fair Pay Act" Thoughts?
Sep 18, 2019, 1:06 PM
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I haven't been on the board in a few weeks, but what is everyone's opinion on this matter? I know D. Swinney is against paying the players anything beyond scholarship. I also read where South Carolina representatives are looking into passing a similar bill.
I am personally in favor of the players being able to sell autographs and t-shirts with their names and likeness on them.
Thoughts?
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Orange Blooded [2025]
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Re: California "Fair Pay Act" Thoughts?
Sep 18, 2019, 1:19 PM
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The word “Fair” makes it sound justified, but if approved this will result in an UNFAIR advantage for large/wealthy schools.
The NCAA has rules in effect that try to make college football a FSIR, level playing field. All teams are limited to 85 scholarships, limited to certain number of days for practicing, restrictions around benefits for players, etc. We know there have been documented instances of schools and boosters going around these rules, and some have paid a high price for breaking the rules, and of course not everybody gets caught. However, the rules do exist, and are enforced the best they can but the NCAA with a focus on keeping a FAIR, level playing field.
Allowing players to make money off their likeness and image and so forth, opens up a Pandora’s box of boosters and fans funneling huge sums of money to players, which over time, will great an “UNFAIR” playing field. Larger schools, (Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc.) with huge alumni bases would be in a position to fork out tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to their players for their “likenesses and images.
Overtime recruits will want to go to schools who’s fans and alumni “pay the most”, resulting in an UNFAIR advantage.
That is why I am against this new proposal.
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Orange Blooded [2371]
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What is "fair"?
Sep 18, 2019, 1:30 PM
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Dad always taught me that "fair" was a place you went to ride the rides and eat cotton candy.
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Re: California "Fair Pay Act" Thoughts?
Sep 18, 2019, 5:21 PM
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I respect your opinion. At the same time, shouldn't we let the free-market decide the valuation of these players?
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Legend [15907]
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I'm 40yo, still have about $10k in student loans
Sep 19, 2019, 9:50 AM
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from Clemson, and I've paid monthly for 15yrs. I see the value in free tuition, food, lodging, books, fees, tutors, trainers, and other incidentals.
If kids are taking money, let them pay their way.
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Re: California "Fair Pay Act" Thoughts?
Sep 18, 2019, 1:22 PM
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There is a long thread about it below with tons of responses.
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Re: California "Fair Pay Act" Thoughts?
Sep 18, 2019, 1:24 PM
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The states can make all the laws they want...they don’t control the NCAA. If players in Cali are getting paid for autographs then the NCAA can still sanction them with probation, etc.
The people who want players to be paid should petition the NFL and NBA to start a minor league system. Then athletes wouldn’t be “forced”!to go to school anymore. This is not an NCAA problem. It’s a professional sports problem.
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Re: California "Fair Pay Act" Thoughts?
Sep 18, 2019, 1:29 PM
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It’s coming out of California. That’s all one needs to know
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Not true, he has said he supports a stipend.
Sep 18, 2019, 1:31 PM
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But he is against what this bill would entail, as am I. thats my opinion.
We go down this route, it will spell the end.
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Re: Not true, he has said he supports a stipend.
Sep 18, 2019, 5:59 PM
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I do think it will completely shake up college athletics.
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there's a simple fix to the "paying players" matter.........
Sep 18, 2019, 1:48 PM
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as it would also be the END of college football as we know it, BUT if they're so insistent on getting players paid...........just adopt what Major league baseball does.
get a minor league for NFL and NBA.............players can opt to forgo college and sign a minor league contract (just like MLB). If the player's a supestar they'll get a multimillion dollar signing bonus and work his tail off to get through the minors while footing the bill for housing, food, entertainment, etc....on a "minor league salary" (which is NOT much) with the possibility of making it to the big leagues one day...............If the player's good but not great they'll sign for $100k signing bonus and work his tail off to get through the minors still footing the bill for housing, food, entertainment, etc with the possibility of making it to the big leagues one day.....
you give the players that for a couple years and they'd be BEGGING to go to college where they get a stipend, FREE TUITION (gift that gives the rest of your life regardless of athletic talent), free food, free housing, training, medical, nutrition, etc...
keep in mind this is all still THEIR CHOICE to play college football.............if you wanna get paid then quit football, focus on studies, and pay for college..........OR drop out and get a job........the grass is not greener than what they have now.
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The NBA has such a league...
Sep 18, 2019, 1:54 PM
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and has for nearly 20 years.
The league offers select contracts to players who are not yet eligible to enter the NBA Draft.
The new Select Contract is to be an alternative for players who do not want to or cannot attend a college. The contract is worth up to $125,000 per season.
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yes, and yet the majority of "the best" come through college
Sep 18, 2019, 1:58 PM
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the great ones are still one and done, but through college nonetheless.
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Let's be honest...
Sep 18, 2019, 2:47 PM
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that's because schools like Kansas, Kentucky, Duke and UNCheat pay a lot better than the $125,000 annually these guys would receive through the developmental league. Just ask Zion's mother.
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college player promoting alone trumps anything........
Sep 18, 2019, 2:01 PM
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the D-League has to offer.
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I just dont see how it will work...
Sep 18, 2019, 1:55 PM
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wont be long for the womens field hockey player files a suit bc the star football or basketball player is getting big money from endorsements. Also, the policing of this would be a disaster:
1) the NCAA would have to be ok with it and while players could receive the endorsements in certain states, no way would the NCAA allow them to be eligible.
2) not sure how you even track this. Im guessing guys would have to submit monthly reports and have every letter of every deal scrutinized
There is a lot to it and doubtful it ever gets anywhere...at least not for now.
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Sounds like a disaster
Sep 18, 2019, 2:20 PM
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The fact that this originated from California should make it a "red flag" issue for the NCAA.
This would get completely out of control in a hurry, and the "law of unintended consequences" would be so crushing that college football/athletics as we know it will be over.
I'm not in favor of this. Then again, I'm better than most at identifying long-term consequences and predicting outcomes. Unfortunately, the people who propose this kind of legislation rarely possess the kind foresight that enables them to see long-term consequences.
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That's the goal, not an unintended consequence.
Sep 18, 2019, 5:30 PM
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Leftists see the money that goes into athletics as money that would otherwise go to the liberal indoctrination...er, 'academic' side of universities, and they want it. This is their latest attempt to kill college athletics.
Of course, that money would largely dry up since nobody is paying $100/seat to sit and watch a math competition, but hey, they aren't really known for their foresight.
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Why is it a bad idea because it comes from California?
Sep 18, 2019, 5:30 PM
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Without states like California, the federal government wouldn't have enough tax revenue to support leeches like South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, etc....state's that take in more federal aid than they contribute to the economy.
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Re: Why is it a bad idea because it comes from California?
Sep 18, 2019, 5:39 PM
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The future of college sports will be really interesting to watch as there are pressures coming in from all angles. The internet allowing for kids to self-promote, boosters who pay players under the table, the impending living diagnosis of CTE (and subsequent lawsuits), anti-trust lawsuits, and now Bills in three states (South Carolina, California, and New York) to help compensate the players. What a wild ride this is going to be and a headache to manage for Athletic Departments.
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Re: Why is it a bad idea because it comes from California?
Sep 18, 2019, 5:51 PM
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A lot more Federal $ from the entire population goes to California than received by their taxes due to the enormous welfare rolls of criminal illegal aliens. Sanctuary Cities, homeless encampments and Medieval Diseases are the main things coming out of California!
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Re: Why is it a bad idea because it comes from California?
Sep 18, 2019, 6:23 PM
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This is absolutely false. California, on its own, has an economy the size of many medium-sized developed countries.
They could sustain themselves without federal aid. The same cannot be said for states like South Carolina, who can barely pretend to TRY and maintain its state's roads and infrastructure.
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Re: Why is it a bad idea because it comes from California?
Sep 18, 2019, 9:07 PM
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No. It’s not False. Just because California has 50 Million People and something like the 6th largest economy in the World does not make it devoid of horrific problems! Since you are so “Pro California”, I hope you live there. Additionally, many Southern States have problems, but, at least they are not COMPLETELY INFESTED with Socialists! How much does a Gallon of Gas cost in your Beloved California? I’ll give you a hint — too D—n much!
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Re: Why is it a bad idea because it comes from California?
Sep 19, 2019, 9:40 AM
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It's amazing how many people on this board will talk about how patriotic they are and insist we should all stand for the National Anthem but then turn around and absolutely trash one of the 50 states that are part of this country. It's one thing to disagree with the policies of a particular place (which is perfectly fine) but the way ya'll speak about a part of America with such contempt is just sad.
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When did scholarships,
Sep 18, 2019, 5:35 PM
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Room and board and a stipend become worthless? With the possible exception of 5-star players...who would know the names of most players.
Flipside, since ESPN and Rivals are raking in subscriptions by using names and pics of HS and 'to soon be' collegiate players, what do they kick into the kitty?
The ONLY winners in this whole debate are the politicos proposing this k-rud for attention and votes. That's it. P.E.R.I.O.D. Actions have consequences...and the unintended ones, which really aren't as many of us can see, will strip any positives totally bare.
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Re: California "Fair Pay Act" Thoughts?
Sep 18, 2019, 5:49 PM
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It is probably a reason this is getting pushed in California. Everyone is concerned about boosters but kids will probably start looking at how big the advertising market is near the school. UCLA would actually become relevant again. If the NCAA allowed it, it would be a disaster.
As for South Carolina, the extent of the support is small, and it would not have a chance at passing right now.
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Re: California
Sep 18, 2019, 7:02 PM
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It’s a bleeding-heart reaction by liberal politicians. It’s 100% emotional. Liberals FEAST on emotion. That’s what makes them so dangerous...they use no common sense at all.
“Oh those poor football players...they get nothing while Coach SoAndSo is making millions. They don’t appreciate their education, so let’s give those poor hard-working guys something they WILL appreciate.”
Liberals say they hate entitlement, but that’s exactly what they’re breeding by taking this stance. They say they hate the gap between the “haves” and the “have nots,” but all they’re doing is widening that gap.
I wish I had an opportunity when I was a Clemson student for a free education and free opportunities that would potentially make me a gazillionaire as a professional without having to spend a penny on any of it.
Like I’ve said the whole time about this issue....the problem isn’t that the players don’t receive enough. The problem is that the players don’t appreciate what they’re given.
If politicians really wanted to help, they would look for ways to increase players’ appreciation for being given the best of everything for free, not enabling the very entitlements they claim to hate.
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Re: California "Fair Pay Act" Thoughts?
Sep 18, 2019, 9:37 PM
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I think there’d be plenty of able bodied players willing to accept the lowly scholarship $, housing, meal plan, nutritionists, etc., and a chance to use the indoor slide in exchange to play college sports. So those individuals who need to get paid for their athletic services can just get a job and pay for said benefits and see how that works out.
That would solve a lot of entitlement issues in college athletics.
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