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Re: Trump continues to make up foreign policy as he goes along:
Oct 22, 2019, 11:59 AM
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Trump is an easy target because he has trouble forming complete thoughts, but if we're being honest, the US has been winging it in that part of the world for over 30 years.
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Yesterday, I particularly liked the part where he thought
Oct 22, 2019, 12:29 PM
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that the emoluments part of the Constitution was "phony". Any other phony parts of the Constitution we should be aware of?
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Re: Trump continues to make up foreign policy as he goes along:
Oct 22, 2019, 12:51 PM
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Funny this is that Tulsi Gabbard agrees with him on this, as I imagine Bernie would too. I mean at what point have we spent too much time and money financing other people's wars when that money can be spent here on domestic problems? The problem is trump just intends to give the money to the Saudis.
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The Saudi's are paying for their protection.
Oct 22, 2019, 12:59 PM
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Before you go all 'But Saudi oil and murdering a reporter...' chit, I'll remind you that while we are energy independent all of our NATO allies including the EU are not.
You guys spend a week now criticizing Trump for abandoning the Kurds and you're ready to let Iran reek havoc on Europe's economy by interrupting the flow of oil in the gulf.
Pick a position and stick with it, will ya?
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All-TigerNet [11138]
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You sure Saudi's are paying a 100% like Trump says?
Oct 22, 2019, 1:14 PM
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The WH or the Pentagon wouldn't talk about it. However the State Dept's statement was:
“While we will not comment on specific bilateral defense agreements, more broadly the United States encourages burden-sharing among partners in support of shared security interests, to include defense of the Arabian Gulf.”
That doesn't exactly sound like a done deal. At Prince Sultan Air Base in the 90s, the Saudi's agreed to build barracks and infrastructure, which was their property. They did not reimburse expenses for USAF, RAF, or French Air Force personnel.
Conclusion: Dirtbag Donny is lying again.
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Re: The Saudi's are paying for their protection.
Oct 22, 2019, 4:10 PM
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Good God you're obtuse.
The Kurds aren't about oil.
The Kurds are about our standing in the world. Stand with us, we say...and we'll be there for you. At least until the millisecond our president believes we don't need you anymore.
Who will help us, if we're that callous about standing by our allies? You abandon people to die and the next one, you know, isn't likely to trust you. ISIS is hardly likely to be the last bogeyman to ever stick up their head.
This is why even Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell - who I honestly thought stood for nothing beyond lining his own pockets - were beside themselves over this.
Europe's oil problems, as you yourself mention, are not really our concern...though Iranian nuclear proliferation is.
The problem is, we already blew the "WMD" card to play when W. erroneously used that casus belli in Iraq...which is going to haunt us pretty much forever as well. Nobody is going to back us if we go hunting for Iran's nukes even though they almost certainly have them now or will quite soon.
Stuff like this has consequences. Severe and long-term consequences.
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Your thoughts are shallow and superficial.
Oct 22, 2019, 5:25 PM
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We have a freaking military base in Turkey. We also have one in Saudi. Are we supposed to be in conflict with a country which houses our forces which put a check on Russia and China? Good gracious man. The kurd weren't fighting for us, they fought to have their own land.
We had a goal, confound Iran's efforts to build a caliphate. We did that. The land belongs to Syria, let them and the kurds work it out. We didn't sign on to allow the kurds to take land from Syria then keep Turkey from taking it from them. Our only interest was ISIS.
Should we have set up a US state in east Syria or should we have just continued to defend that land for eternity? When do we leave, when Kurds become Christian or what?
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Re: The Saudi's are paying for their protection.
Oct 22, 2019, 6:30 PM
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How did you like Obama's premature withdrawal from Iraq? How about Obama's own admitted mistake of destroying Libya? (I think he did it on purpose knowing full well it would open the floodgates for millions of African emigres and Islamic terrorists into Europe.) How about Obama's creation of Is, Isil in Syria? You're not as smart as you think you are
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Isil is the JV team.***
Oct 22, 2019, 6:38 PM
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Re: Isil is the JV team.***
Oct 23, 2019, 1:11 AM
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Got it. Somehow didn't spell out ISIS all the way preceding isil.
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Re: Isil is the JV team.***
Oct 23, 2019, 1:15 AM
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Got it. I Somehow didn't spell out ISIS all the way preceding isil.
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Oculus Spirit [93608]
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Woah,
Oct 22, 2019, 12:54 PM
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The writer notes the mistakes in Iran. Going in was perhaps a mistake and leaving as Obama left was definitely a mistake. So what's the right thing to do with Syria? There is no right thing to do. We can always look back and justify anything and we can always look back and regret.
Flitterflatter, Trump's foreign policy was set before he was elected. He said he would withdrawing our Troops from endless wars.
Can you lay out a foreign policy for the middle east for the next four years? Consider how often things change there before you start. Any foreign policy for that neck of the woods can be praised or condemned.
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The author just nails your pov on this...
Oct 22, 2019, 3:50 PM
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"Then, when criticism mounts, he and his defenders grab a sloppy paint pot of ideological buzzwords and campaign slogans in an attempt to camouflage the move as part of some grand theoretical framework or electoral mandate."
"Trump and the handful of surrogates willing to defend this grotesquerie are quite comfortable arguing about “endless wars” and “Trump’s mandate” as an abstract matter. I think they’re wrong in nearly every particular. But even engaging in debate on those terms is a gift to the president."
"Trump may indeed have campaigned on getting out of Syria. He didn’t campaign on potentially freeing thousands of Islamic State fighters, greenlighting ethnic cleansing, or empowering Syrian president Bashar al-Assad and Russian president Vladimir Putin."
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Oculus Spirit [93608]
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Uh, maybe he's just lucky or maybe, just maybe...
Oct 22, 2019, 5:18 PM
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he knew Turkey and Syria both hate ISIS. It's not as if Syria invited ISIS to take over Syrian soil and build an Iranian Caliphate.
I told you guys when this story broke how it would work. Russia and Turkey have a peace agreement which includes persecuting ISIS. All three of the countries now involved in that part of Syria will execute ISIS fighter.
Stevie Wonder could see that coming.
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Re: Trump continues to make up foreign policy as he goes along:
Oct 23, 2019, 7:18 AM
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Well, good for you, he can be voted out of office next year. Or he can be impeached for his high crimes and misdemeanors.
Isnt that awesome. We can do something about it. So how about moving forward on that, "do something about it thing" instead of crying everyday all day.
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