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Hey Carl...moar liberal anger
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Hey Carl...moar liberal anger


Feb 28, 2019, 8:19 AM

Rashida Tlaib is totally unhinged! She finally apologized to Meadows but not to Ms Patton. Evidently some liberals like to call others rassists without cause....

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/02/27/politics/tlaib-meadows-black-woman-prop-racist/index.html


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Re: Hey Carl...moar liberal anger


Feb 28, 2019, 8:21 AM

Nothing more dangerous to lIberals than a highly educated conservative black woman

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Re: Hey Carl...moar liberal anger


Feb 28, 2019, 9:22 AM

Hard for me to say this is the dumbest thing you have ever posted since you have repeatedly claimed that the moon landing was fake. I look forward to more stupid shit from you.

thanks

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And nothing is dumber than using token blacks


Feb 28, 2019, 10:19 AM [ in reply to Re: Hey Carl...moar liberal anger ]

as props against racism.

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Re: And nothing is dumber than using token blacks


Feb 28, 2019, 1:09 PM

I did not realize assisting someone through years of substance abuse, financially assisting that person, and helping them find and maintain a career path over a few decades was considered using someone as a "token".

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What should black people who don't agree do?


Feb 28, 2019, 2:50 PM [ in reply to And nothing is dumber than using token blacks ]

It almost seems like you're saying that black people shouldn't speak up unless they agree with the majority of other black people.

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How incredibly silly...


Feb 28, 2019, 8:37 AM

In a Congressional hearing, two government leaders bickering over who is more offended. "I can't believe you did that racist thing!" "I can't believe you just called me racist! That's racist!"
"No, you're racist!" Good grief.

Meadows did bring the woman in as a political prop. Cohen was brought in as a political prop. The whole thing was a bunch of political props!

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It was Patton’s idea to attend as she did


Feb 28, 2019, 8:39 AM

Not Meadow’s

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Semantics...Meadows maybe didn't "bring her in"...


Feb 28, 2019, 8:44 AM

But he did invoke her presence, and have her stand up during his speaking time. Silly and ridiculous, to me. Same as these poor people the Presidents bring in as political props during the State of the Union addresses. "Here's a woman who has suffered a terrible tragedy, and I have brought her here to today to tell you that you people are stupid and wrong."

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Scratch that, Meadows literally said "I asked Lynne to come" ***


Feb 28, 2019, 8:47 AM



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Re: Semantics...Meadows maybe didn't "bring her in"...


Feb 28, 2019, 1:12 PM [ in reply to Semantics...Meadows maybe didn't "bring her in"... ]

Yes, because its so morbidly shocking that someone who the President's family went out of their way to care for during years of substance abuse and other issues, and helped mentor into a successful career path, would want to attend a hearing held by people who have devoted themselves to smearing and destroying the life of said President despite having no evidence worthy of doing so.

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Meadows literally said "I asked Lynne to come"


Feb 28, 2019, 1:40 PM

Are you calling Mark Meadows a liar?

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I also think you're mischaracterizing what I was saying


Feb 28, 2019, 1:44 PM

No where did I claim that the lady did not want to be there. Meadows made a conscious decision to use her as a political tool, whether he asked her to be there or not (He did ask her to be there, though.). That's not my opinion...that's just a fact. She could have attended, and Meadows never mentioned her presence. Meadows chose to do this, and I don't personally like it. I like Meadows, in general, and would vote for him if I were in his district.

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How would you have handled the situation?


Feb 28, 2019, 2:56 PM

If you know of somebody who can refute the idea that Trump operates as a racist, who, being black, would have a special sensitivity to that (and thus special credibility), how would you present their counter-evidence? Do they deserve to be treated with the disrespect Tlaib treated her with?

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I would completely ignore Cohen's dumb ad hominem


Feb 28, 2019, 3:36 PM

remarks.

I don't believe Tlaib treated her with disrespect...I believe Meadows did.

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I don't get this at all***


Feb 28, 2019, 4:19 PM



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That lays aside the fact that one person saying


Feb 28, 2019, 3:41 PM [ in reply to How would you have handled the situation? ]

Trump is not racist is no more counter-evidence to racism, than Cohen saying Trump was racist, was evidence of racism.


(Hope you can follow that swirl of words)

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For the record, I stop short of saying the President


Feb 28, 2019, 3:45 PM

is an outright racist, but his general disrespect for other people combined with strong nationalism, often leads to racially insensitive comments.

I make this judgment not based on what Cohen says, or Omarosa, or Patton, but only on the words and actions I have directly observed from the President.

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Re: For the record, I stop short of saying the President


Feb 28, 2019, 4:57 PM

Its called having a "character witness".


Talib has made many, many comments about how racist she believes the President to be. She already set a precedent with her agenda by saying "we are gunna impeach the ############!".


She has made it very clear that she is going to do everything she can to remove Trump from office, evidence, facts, and laws be ######.

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OK.


Feb 28, 2019, 6:11 PM

Was that intended as a counter to something I was saying? because I don't see how it is. I don't disagree with anything you just posted...just don't see how it fits the conversation we are having.

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There's no doubt she wanted to be there.


Feb 28, 2019, 9:59 AM [ in reply to It was Patton’s idea to attend as she did ]

It's probably in the job description as director of the National Diversity Coalition for Trump...

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...which was co-founded by, you guessed it, Michael Cohen.

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Re: How incredibly silly...


Feb 28, 2019, 8:42 AM [ in reply to How incredibly silly... ]

Lol. Are you seriously defending "I have one black friend"?

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I believe you responded to the wrong person?***


Feb 28, 2019, 8:44 AM



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Re: I believe you responded to the wrong person?***


Feb 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

Nope. You're equating Meadows's racist crap with hearing from a witness who has evidence that a sitting President broke the law. It was a ridiculous post.

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OK...just for clarification...


Feb 28, 2019, 9:14 AM

I do not defend "my one black friend" kind of thinking, and did not come close to doing so in a previous post.

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But let's say somebody was accusing you of racism...


Feb 28, 2019, 2:58 PM

and your black friends wanted to stick up for you. Would that make them somehow tokens, or props?

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I would defend myself against any such accusations.


Feb 28, 2019, 3:38 PM

If they are unfounded, I would ignore those accusations and move on with my life. I would never ask someone else to defend me. If they did unsolicited, that would be kind of them.

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Re: I believe you responded to the wrong person?***


Feb 28, 2019, 1:13 PM [ in reply to Re: I believe you responded to the wrong person?*** ]

Please produce this evidence.

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Re: I believe you responded to the wrong person?***


Feb 28, 2019, 4:21 PM

Evidence of what?

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Re: I believe you responded to the wrong person?***


Feb 28, 2019, 5:06 PM

You said evidence exists proving the sitting President broke the law. Please show us this evidence.

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Re: Hey Carl...moar liberal anger


Feb 28, 2019, 9:37 AM

What's funny is you align yourself with the most hate filled Americans. How easy would it be for me to find story after story of white supremacists conservatives or neo nazis hating. Come on man. You're on the wrong side of what is right and wrong. You spend your hate filled time on libs. You're kind of a loser for your age. Go drink that good wine you bought and chill.

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Like Jussie Smollett?


Feb 28, 2019, 9:41 AM

Oops....he’s a liberal, too!

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Re: Like Jussie Smollett?


Feb 28, 2019, 9:45 AM

No idea what you are rambling about my unhinged friend. Does Jussie have you fired up today? He is on your mind. You are safe where you are. Jussie can't get you.

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Smollet was the best thing to ever happen to you


Feb 28, 2019, 9:52 AM [ in reply to Like Jussie Smollett? ]

Now you can throw that out anytime there is a real hate crime to claim it's not real. When in reality to ratio of real to fake ones is 20:1 or more.
(Saw a stat that said in last 3 years police stations reported about 45 fake ones vs over 1,000 real ones)

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Re: Smollet was the best thing to ever happen to you


Feb 28, 2019, 9:58 AM

Well he is kind of an idiot, so there you go.

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There's a lot of other ones he can throw out, too***


Feb 28, 2019, 10:00 AM [ in reply to Smollet was the best thing to ever happen to you ]



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Re: Smollet was the best thing to ever happen to you


Feb 28, 2019, 10:27 AM [ in reply to Smollet was the best thing to ever happen to you ]

Tawana brawley
VA rape case
Duke Lax rape case
Nikki Joly
Covington Catholic kids
Jazmine Barnes
Adwoa Lewis
Clemson bananas

I could keep going. The right didn’t really “need” the Smollett case....

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Re: Smollet was the best thing to ever happen to you


Feb 28, 2019, 10:30 AM

7175 reported hate crimes in 2018, minus 8. good work Obed.

we can keep chipping away at this as you find more fake incidents. But so far, for those keeping score, you are woefully behind.

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Re: Smollet was the best thing to ever happen to you


Mar 1, 2019, 11:36 AM

You're saying racist things!

Now there are 7176 reported hate crimes.


See how that works?

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Re: Smollet was the best thing to ever happen to you


Feb 28, 2019, 10:33 AM [ in reply to Re: Smollet was the best thing to ever happen to you ]

On the other hand, there can be thousands of cases attributed to the scum on the right that are real that can be shown here. Pretty much the biggest dirt bags are on the right and that is why these hoaxes even have credibility for a bit. The reason why these lefty nuts do it is because of conservative history. I think that is fading and I am glad these hoaxes are busted, but the stem from conservative history.

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the reason they do it is because it is perceived to get them


Feb 28, 2019, 11:06 AM

Ahead of where they were before the crime

The reason for that is the stupid classification of “hate crimes” in the first place. It’s a ridiculous and unnecessary classification. Most every serious crime stems from someone harboring hate (or worse, complete indifference) towards their victim.

I know of very few murders or assaults that were committed as joy crimes.

If you’re murdered, assaulted, whatever, your victimhood status exists regardless of why the perpetrator did it, and they should be charged for the crime committed.

If a white person assaults a black person for their race, are they more despicable than a black person assaulting a white person for wearing a MAGA hat? Were both of them not spurned by irrational hatred? They’re both a-holes who are detrimental to society and should be charged with assault to the fullest extent possible, yet for some reason here in 2019 we need to go ahead and make one a super-duper extra bad assault.

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Re: the reason they do it is because it is perceived to get them


Feb 28, 2019, 4:37 PM

Good off topic ramble. It was good though.

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Re: Hey Carl...moar liberal anger


Feb 28, 2019, 1:23 PM [ in reply to Re: Hey Carl...moar liberal anger ]

The difference is, Neo Nazis and White Supremacists are not part of the Republican party, or any majority political group affiliated on the right. They are barely even right wing, and the core fundamentals of their extremist ideology rests entirely in identity politics, which has always been the core socioeconomic component of the Democrat party.


Republicans and Conservatives outright reject these types of extremists as well. Not only are their views totally unhinged, but they in no was reflect the views of the Right wing at large. No current politician, outside of some high profile Democrats, has any history of sympathizing with these groups, especially the Nazi party.

However, Democrats and Liberals OPENLY embrace the extremist groups and viewpoints within the Left wing. Not only that, they praise these extremist views (like socialism), and push them to the forefront of their political platforms. They polish up the message and make it trendy, but this is what they do.


Socialism has been the cause for more genocide and human rights violations (with cases numbering in the hundreds of millions) than any extremist right wing group (cases numbering in the thousands).


To suggest that any segment of the American Right, being it Republican, Conservative, Neo-Cons, Right leaning Libertarians, etc. are affiliated with the Nazis is intellectually dishonest. It also shows you have a blatant disrespect for the people who were victims of REAL Nazis, it cheapens and dilutes history, and slanders people who are nothing like actual Nazis. Meanwhile, you praise a party that has openly and lovingly promoted Socialism, which is even more heinous than Nazism.

Associating the "Right" with Nazis simply does not make any sense, because there is not even a slight similarity or association with that extremist ideology.

In recent years, during this Trump era, the only high profile politicians that have been associated with this type of extremism, such as white supremacy and the KKK, have been Democrats. The majority of widespread political violence, has been instigated by angry people affiliated with Left wing groups, and Democrat officials encourage it to boot.


Not only are your claims extremely disrespectful, they are also intellectually dishonest, and show a vast ignorance of current politics and historical events.

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Re: Hey Carl...moar liberal anger


Feb 28, 2019, 2:21 PM

Couple of things here.

One, Neo Nazis and White Supremacists vote Republican all the time as the rights views more align with their own. That doesn’t mean every conservative is a NAZI sympathizer or agrees with their views but if you find someone who is a Neo Nazi, they are going to be on the right side of the spectrum.

Two, I see way too many people confusing communism and socialism. They are DIFFERENT things and wanting to expand or add a social program (which is what the overwhelming majority on the left are pushing) does not mean turning into a Socialist government.

In terms of socialism itself, please name ONE modern successful country that does not have some elements of socialism? You can’t. Germany, France, UK, North Korea, Japan Australia, hell, even Saudi Arabia (if you want to count them as successful). All of them do, every last one. Including us. The real issue is and has always been what mixture of socialist type programs/ideas work best for the country in question. That answer is going to vary from country to country and is worth discussing.

Three, claiming socialism is worse than Fascism and has been the leading cause for genocide and human rights violations is just wrong. You are either woefully unaware of history and modern everts or are being dishonest on purpose. Territory disputes and religion take the lead here by leaps and bounds and to suggest otherwise is just wrong.

Finally, you claim others comments are disrespectful yet you do the exact same thing just from your side of the fence. If you want a real discourse (P&R joking aside) there are many that would like to have that. If you just want to fling #### back and forth, then that is what you will get.

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This isn't correct either.


Feb 28, 2019, 3:22 PM

1. You really have no idea where neo-nazis and white supremacists stand on the American political spectrum, and neither do I. All we can really talk about is their ideology, and it's ambiguous. Many of them think of themselves as rightists, but their version of the political spectrum is more like the Europe of 1930 than it is American today (or, really, ever). Most of them believe in a big state, if not the state as a god. Their only real affinity with the actual American right is opposition to left-wing identity politics.

2. When people talk about "socialism," they don't mean a limited welfare state. They also aren't just referring an economic doctrine- there is a "social" socialism just like there's a "social" conservatism that's connected to an over-arching attitude about politics. This social side of socialism involves using the government to enforce "equality" among various interest groups. At this point in time, "social socialism" has a lot of power within the Democratic Party, while "fiscal socialism" is gaining power as the party moves further and further to the left. There are now multiple elected Democrats who are open supporters of socialism.

As far as the difference between socialism and communism goes, socialism is a stage on the way to communism in Marx's theory. It's what's supposed to replace the inequality of capitalism. You're using communism (which is actually a form of anarchy that hasn't really existed in a national government) as a shorthand for a totalitarian version of socialism, and it's just not that simple. Further, the attitude that the government should be the first resort when addressing a problem because of its ability to equalize outcomes is a socialistic attitude.

3. You're simply wrong on your history. Left-wing totalitarian governments, all of which were socialist, killed tens of millions of their own citizens in the 20th century because they believed it was the only way they could achieve equality through social justice. I guess we could also throw the right-wing socialists into the casualty count if we're just talking about socialist governments. "Territory disputes" that led to wars can't really be compared to an ideological government killing its own citizens, and "religion" can't claim anything like the death toll that modern socialist governments are responsible for.


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Re: This isn't correct either.


Feb 28, 2019, 3:27 PM

you are incorrect.

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No, I'm correct and you're wrong


Feb 28, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Re: This isn't correct either.


Feb 28, 2019, 5:02 PM [ in reply to This isn't correct either. ]

1. Yes, we do. The KKK, Neo Nazis and other white supremacy groups all publicly supported our current president when he was running. As I mentioned, that doesn’t mean they represent the rights overall values just like a few nut jobs on the left don’t mean everyone on the left wants the country to turn into a communist dictatorship.

2. I disagree here, admittedly based on my own experience. I am sure that is what you believe but most conversations I have with those on the right always end up pointing at third rate countries with dictators that they use as an example of what will happen to us if we allow any socialism to exist.

I just don’t buy the fear-mongering/slippery slope argument.

As for socialism being a stop on the way to communism, sure, on a political spectrum Communism is on the far left just as Fascism is on the far right. That doesn't mean I assume someone who wants right leaning policies wants us to become 1930-1940s era Germany.

3. I was speaking more about world history and not just the 20th century onward but if we are looking at just the 20th:
- Rwanda – Civil war and ethnic cleansing.
- WWII holocaust – Ethnic Cleansing.
- Russian Famine – Dictator seeking to punish those who were seeking independence.
- Rape of Nanking – Japanese view of ethnic superiority over Chinese.

I am sure I am missing a lot more but those alone count for over 14 million dead and none are something I would put on political system. It was all either believing in one’s ethnic superiority or actions of a single twisted dictator.

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Re: This isn't correct either.


Feb 28, 2019, 5:31 PM

Fascism is not far-right. Fascism is, and always will be, a Left wing construct. Socialism always devolves to Fascism.

Socialism does not take into account human nature and the natural comparative advantage that exists among individuals in society. As socialism perpetuates, it assumes higher costs and higher deviations from its market planned economy, and resorts to more brutal methods of maintaining its Keynesian system. Fascism is always the end result.

Right wing politics have never led to Fascism. Lay out all of the characteristics of Fascism and compare them to the positions of the American Right Wing. They are totally opposite.

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Re: Hey Carl...moar liberal anger


Feb 28, 2019, 3:25 PM [ in reply to Re: Hey Carl...moar liberal anger ]

very nice post. You must realize, most of these idiots are going by what their uneducated family has told them for generations. It is sad but changing. This will not bean issue in 10 years.

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What are you even talking about?***


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Re: Hey Carl...moar liberal anger


Feb 28, 2019, 5:25 PM [ in reply to Re: Hey Carl...moar liberal anger ]

One, Neo Nazis and White Supremacists vote Republican all the time as the rights views more align with their own. That doesn’t mean every conservative is a NAZI sympathizer or agrees with their views but if you find someone who is a Neo Nazi, they are going to be on the right side of the spectrum.
Some do, but many do not. Don't forget, the KKK endorsed Hillary in 2016, and donated $20,000 to her 2016 campaign.

Two, I see way too many people confusing communism and socialism. They are DIFFERENT things and wanting to expand or add a social program (which is what the overwhelming majority on the left are pushing) does not mean turning into a Socialist government.
Socialism leads to communism. They are not the same, but very similar. One is the redistribution of wealth and property, the other is the abolition of it by collective ownership. Both schools of thought are economically flawed, have always failed in practice, reject the fundamentals of human behavior, and the establishment and maintenance of either requires numerous violations of human rights

In terms of socialism itself, please name ONE modern successful country that does not have some elements of socialism? You can’t. Germany, France, UK, North Korea, Japan Australia, hell, even Saudi Arabia (if you want to count them as successful). All of them do, every last one. Including us. The real issue is and has always been what mixture of socialist type programs/ideas work best for the country in question. That answer is going to vary from country to country and is worth discussing.
Big government and bureaucratic social programs do not equate to socialism, although they are the first steps towards major socialism. Government mandates which force private industry and markets to adhere to regulations that are costly and expensive, and are paid for by exorbitant taxes (requiring private citizens and organizations to foot the bill for the rest), also is not socialism. Its simply big government, police state, welfare state, bureaucratic authoritarianism. But hey, at least you didn't mention Norway or Sweden, because then you would REALLY be incorrect. Nevertheless, we do not have socialism int he US, but many Democrats and leftists idolize socialism and WANT it to be installed here.

Three, claiming socialism is worse than Fascism and has been the leading cause for genocide and human rights violations is just wrong. You are either woefully unaware of history and modern everts or are being dishonest on purpose. Territory disputes and religion take the lead here by leaps and bounds and to suggest otherwise is just wrong.
Territory disputes you say? Such as what happened in WW2, The USSR, and China over the last century or so? Also, please show me the last religious global-scale conflict involving formal countries, mass genocide of hundreds of millions, and invasions solely on the basis of religious belief? You'll have to go back a millennia or so. Also, Fascism and Socialism are married to each other. Every Fascist regime in history, since the dawn of Fascism around the 1890s and 1900's, has ALWAYS been Socialist. The entire premise of Fascism is that the "state is god", and that all efforts must be patriotic and protect the state, thus the state will protect you. Its a very militarized, nationalistic form of socialism that is usually adopted through a democratic process. If you research Fascism in depth, you will see that the economic and social welfare policies of Fascism closely align with Liberalism. In fact, the early Liberals and Progressives in America, such as Woodrow Wilson and Melvil Dewey, openly claimed to be proud Fascists and stated that the American Progressive/Liberal movement was the American version of Fascism. Fun fact!

Finally, you claim others comments are disrespectful yet you do the exact same thing just from your side of the fence. If you want a real discourse (P&R joking aside) there are many that would like to have that. If you just want to fling #### back and forth, then that is what you will get.
I dont equate Barack Obama or any political leaders of the Democrat party, or their supporters, to a group of evil individuals who waged war across Europe and eagerly engaged in the genocide of 6 million people. And before you say "buut you called Liberals Fascists!", yes, I did. Because the core fundamentals of Liberalism are Fascism. But, Fascism does not equate to Nazism. Although the Nazi party was fascist, not all fascists are Nazis. There have been dozens of examples of fascism over the past century that were non-violent. It doesnt change the fact that it is a socialism system which destroys prosperity.

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Re: Hey Carl...moar liberal anger


Mar 1, 2019, 1:22 PM

Ok, there are a few things that I disagree with here.

Let’s start from the top.

The Klan never donated to Hilary, one person CLAIMING to be from the Klan did and refused to provide proof when pushed on the matter by investigators. It then spread on social media as fact when it has been shown repeatedly to not be credible.

Here are a couple of actual facts.
- KKK official newspaper endorses Trump
- David Dukes out in public supporting Trump
- KKK planning victory marches after Trumps win all over the country

Sounds like they support Trump. You can try and twist and turn all you want but one highly suspect claim from a single guy who refuses to provide proof versus actual interviews with Klan and ex Klan as well as videos and articles just doesn’t cut it.

In Trumps defense, he did tell them he wouldn’t accept their endorsement, albeit after some delay.

You also claim that many idolize socialism and want it to be installed. I’m sure there are a few on the far end that want that but to act like it is anything more than a fraction of a percent is just wrong. What the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY want are SOME social programs implemented that make sense. Think FDR, not Stalin. People want things like Medicare for all (which polling shows most Americans support). If we try them and they don’t work, fix them. If we can’t fix them, kill it and try something else.

Regarding the comments on wars and death. As I said in my original post on this, over the course of human history many more people have died in the name of religion and territory disputes than anything else. Nothing you have said disproves that.

Next, you mention that Fascism and Socialism are married. There is a left and a right version of extreme Socialism. Fascism is the right version that is also called National Socialism. The left version is Communism. They are not even remotely the same thing so to claim the left version leads to Fascism is incorrect.

Finally, that brings me to your assertion that all Fascist nations were Socialist first. That is wrong and I’ll use the quick and easy example. Pre-WWII era Germany was a parliamentary democracy before the Fascist party took control.

Overall, I would venture to guess that the vast majority of US citizens, no matter the side, don’t want a communist, fascist or authoritarian government of any type. So, if we all keep that in mind when listening to someone, what they are saying may make more sense.

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She's a total SJW nut-job


Feb 28, 2019, 2:47 PM

The Democratic leadership are going to really hate her soon, if they don't already. You also have to laugh at her, as an Arab, trying to claim that she's a "person of color."


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