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ACC Football in 2019
Oct 15, 2019, 6:04 AM
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The only reason the ACC is getting a bad rap is because the sports media started with that narrative before the first game was ever played this season in order to marginalize Clemson's success. Reality of the season to date tells a different story. Three losses standout as showing there are a few weak schools: BC to Kansas, GT to Citadel and Syracuse's blowout to Maryland. Other than that, you can't find much to show the ACC is not doing well against the competition but that would ruin the media's story line that Clemson plays weak competition.
It's been pointed out that multiple schools in the SEC have dropped games to some really pathetic programs which paint the picture of a conference that has a few top heavy teams with many little sisters of the poor. The ACC suffers from not having more than one dominant program right now but it doesn't mean the competition is still not good. Keep in mind that Florida's toughest game, after LSU, was against Miami. Losses by UNC to App State and FSU to Boise State show losses to two undefeated schools! Nothing to be ashamed of there.
The media bias has the conference starting from way behind the eight ball before the season begins with few ranked teams. When one of the unranked ACC schools beats a ranked one, it pushes the ranked school way down in the rankings and often out of the Top 25. In the SEC when an upset like that happens it is because competition is tough and the lower ranked school had already been artificially elevated to being much better than what they are.
The CFP Committee seems to take this ridiculous bias into account when doing their rankings. Clemson has no reason for concern. Win and we're in!
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Re: ACC Football in 2019
Oct 15, 2019, 6:17 AM
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The problem in the ACC isn’t the bottom or middle of the pack, it’s the top. Clemson is the only team that can compete nationally.
No one will argue other conferences have bottom feeders. Tenn, Arky, Vandy, Miss St, Ole Miss, Nebraska, Kansas, and many more are just as bad as GT, BC, and the rest of the ACC.
We just don’t have any other top teams. B1G has Ohio St, Wisconsin, and Penn St. Next tier Michigan and Mich St. You know SEC top teams.
ACC has Clemson. Next tier is Clemson’s back ups and maybe UNC. Next tier is Clemson’s third string.
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Re: ACC Football in 2019
Oct 15, 2019, 6:49 AM
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Agree. The cuse game set the tone right out the gate. They were actually getting a little bit of respect and then wham not only lose, but 63 points... peeps gave a break on the Duke/bama but expected duke to keep it a little closer or at least score a few points. Then fla did all they could to lose to Miami but Miami couldn’t stand prosperity.
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Cuse loss to Maryland can be explained by three things.
Oct 15, 2019, 6:52 AM
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1. Maryland's game plan and new head coach was unknown except for the Howard game.
2. Cuse had been preparing for Clemson the following week.
3. Cuse sucks.
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And reverse is true in SEC
Oct 15, 2019, 7:06 AM
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Circular logic props them up
LSU has beat Texas and Florida. Texas has beaten no one, but is the highest ranked 2-loss team in the country, because of who their losses are to (OK and LSU). OK has beaten no one. Florida beat Auburn, but what has Auburn done? They beat Oregon, who has also beaten no one. Notre Dame, Florida, Georgia and Auburn are the 4 highest ranked one loss teams, because they lost to SEC teams and they were highly ranked preseason.
All of those teams are considered “big” wins or “good” losses because of their ridiculously high preseason rankings. Look at the SEC West record vs the SEC Least - 3 head to head losses last week. Look at the SEC vs the Mountain West - 3 head to head losses this season. At least half of the SEC teams are hot garbage.
I am not worried about it...it will all take care of itself on the field, but it does get tiring. Eventually, all of the frauds will be exposed. I hope TAMU does some of the exposing.
OP is right. None of the Power 5 conferences look that different from the ACC. B10, tOSU and everybody else. B12, OK and everybody else. SEC, Bama and everybody else. Penn St stole one away and UGA stole one away, but other than that, who has won those conferences? PAC has not been represented in the CFP because the look like the other Power 5 conferences, but without a consistent dominant team.
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Re: And reverse is true in SEC
Oct 15, 2019, 7:29 AM
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Agree with everything but the last paragraph. That is the biggest difference among conferences is it’s not everyone else.
SEC has Bama, LSU, and to a lesser degree UGA, Florida, and Auburn. That second tier would finish second in the ACC.
B1G has Ohio St, Penn St, Wisconsin, and to a lesser degree Michigan and Michigan St. Those top teams would finish second and possibly the next tier too.
BIG12 has Oklahoma and Texas. Next tier Baylor.
Pac12 sucks.
ACC is Clemson. Clemson’s second string also wins the conference.
Reality is bottom of the conferences are all similar but the tops are not. ACC second best team (not Clemson second string) couldn’t compete for the top of any other conference.
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Re: ACC Football in 2019
Oct 15, 2019, 8:14 AM
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The ACC sucks this year and people are just being objective. There is 1 good team in the ACC.
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I agree that the SEC isn't what the media makes it out to be
Oct 15, 2019, 8:16 AM
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but I'm not about to defend the ACC as it's been an absolute embarrassment outside of Clemson. Even the schools that we think could put some meat on our schedule toward the end of the year in Wake & UVA fall flat on their face just when they start to gain a little respect to louisville & Miami. I also can't call a loss to undefeated Boise & App State "respectable", not when you're a P5 conference.
Now I believe that if we're 13-0 there's a 99.9% chance we're in the playoffs, but don't think for ONE SECOND that you won't hear the "crappy ACC" argument/narrative to keep us out if the following happens.
Clemson win out 13-0
UGA/Florida win out 12-1, beating undefeated bama (laughable right now, but you never know)
Bama 12-1 SECCG runner up
Ohio State win out 13-0
Oklahoma win out 13-0
ND win out 11-1 (they're out IMO, but you'll hear the lobbying from the committee)
as long as Ohio State or Oklahoma has 1 loss and/or UGA/UF has 2+ we're in at 13-0
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There are a lot more than 3 results hurting the ACC
Oct 15, 2019, 8:19 AM
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Sluggish wins against FCS teams and bad FBS teams can hurt the perception of the league as much as losses.
Week 1 was pretty good for the ACC, but after that there are a lot of bad results.
Some ugly stuff begins to happen in Week 2:
Maryland 63 - Cuse 20 (WOOF!)
VT 31 - ODU 17
FSU 45 - ULM 44
Week 3 is an absolute disaster for the ACC:
Kansas 48 - BC 24 (WOOF!)
WVU 44 - NC State 27 (WVU had been horrible up to this point)
VT 24 - Furman 17 (VT has now struggled to put away lesser teams in back-to-back weeks)
Citadel 27 - GT 24 (GT is even worse than everyone expected them to be)
Week 4 - Nobody wants to be the 2nd best ACC team:
UVA 28 - ODU 17
App St 34 - UNC 31
Miami 17 - Central Mich. 12
Week 5 - I include ND/UVA not because the result is a surprise, but because it shows where the ACC is when the conference's supposed 2nd best team loses by 15 at ND and nobody bats an eye)
Pitt 17 - Delaware 14
Temple 24 - GT 2 (Is this a real score line??)
ND 35 - UVA 20
Really though, all of the conferences have bad teams at the bottom. Kentucky, Vandy, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Miss St are all garbage. Rutgers, Illinois, Northwestern, and Purdue are all garbage and Nebraska is a disappointment as well. But the SEC and Big Ten both have a lot of good teams at the top and the ACC just has Clemson.
The ACC is just like it was in the 90s except it's now Clemson and the 13 dwarves instead of FSU and the eight dwarves.
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