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question for the free health care for all libs
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question for the free health care for all libs


Apr 16, 2019, 10:33 AM

As a side note, notice how the conversation changed from health care for all, to Medicare for all.

Anyway, say the government pays all our health care bills. This makes all doctors government employees with the government running everything pretty much. May not start that way from the beginning, but will get there over time.

Most that want free healthcare, in my mind, assume that means our quality of care will stay the same. Once the gov take over, that will change for the worse.

Dont want to get into a HC debate, and free HC debate, but wanted to know if you are ok with a totally gov run HC. Meaning from payments to taking over everything HC?

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Re: question for the free health care for all libs


Apr 16, 2019, 10:37 AM

I'm not worried about Medicare for all. I'm not really impressed by that, but I'm good with the debate. I want universal healthcare.

And how strong can your point be if you have to include assumptions you pulled out of your butt? Our quality of healthcare would probably go up if other countries are any indication.

No, I'm not ok with government run healthcare. That's what Republicans want. I am open to government run primary health insurance.

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You do understand that "government run primary health


Apr 16, 2019, 11:09 AM

insurance" would basically dictate "government run primary health care", correct?

Of course you don't.

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Re: You do understand that "government run primary health


Apr 16, 2019, 11:32 AM

I'll bite, because I want you to dig your hole...

Why would it be different than what is already dictated by private insurance companies?

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How many private insurance companies are there?


Apr 16, 2019, 12:38 PM

More than one, maybe? Do you think they all of them reimburse providers at the same amount?

Are you really this frustratingly dense, or do you just pretend to be on here for comedic affect?

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Re: How many private insurance companies are there?


Apr 16, 2019, 1:28 PM

Just from a cost comparison stand point, does having insurance companies drive up costs from overhead more than it decreases from competition? Compared to other countries per capita spending vs. ours it sure doesn't look like it.

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Re: How many private insurance companies are there?


Apr 16, 2019, 9:12 PM [ in reply to How many private insurance companies are there? ]

in my area, it is blue cross or nothing. And there is really no incentive for insurance companies to compete or lower premiums, it has been a racket for quite some time now. You guys have been too busy blaming obama to even understand why our health cares costs are skyrocketing in this country.

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Who made it illegal to have interstate insurance compete?


Apr 17, 2019, 11:13 AM

I'll give you one guess..and he authored ACA.

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Re: Who made it illegal to have interstate insurance compete?


Apr 17, 2019, 12:58 PM

Boy is that not true.

The states themselves are what really cause this problem due to each having their own requirements/approvals. Nothing is stopping any company from offering insurance in any state except them not wanting to get the approval to operate in each state. This was in place before the ACA.

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ACA could have changed it but did not.


Apr 17, 2019, 1:28 PM

It is federal law.

ACA COULD have not only allowed this, but required HIE's across state lines; it did not. A larger pool of insured would allow for costs to be spread across more recipients.

https://help.ihealthagents.com/hc/en-us/articles/115003456874-Can-I-Buy-Health-Insurance-Across-State-Lines-

https://khn.org/news/selling-insurance-across-state-lines/

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Re: Who made it illegal to have interstate insurance compete?


Apr 17, 2019, 2:39 PM [ in reply to Who made it illegal to have interstate insurance compete? ]

That isn't accurate. The McCarran-Ferguson Act (1945) forced states to regulate health insurance, not the federal govt.

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And ACA couldn't have changed that?***


Apr 17, 2019, 3:08 PM



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Re: How many private insurance companies are there?


Apr 17, 2019, 2:46 PM [ in reply to How many private insurance companies are there? ]


More than one, maybe? Do you think they all of them reimburse providers at the same amount?

Are you really this frustratingly dense, or do you just pretend to be on here for comedic affect?




There were 5,977 insurance companies in 2016 in the United States (including territories), including P/C (2,538), life/annuities (872), health (858), fraternal (85), title (55), risk retention groups (247) and other companies (1,314), according to the National Association of Insurance Commissioners. - Insurance Information Institute.

So yeah, more than one....maybe 858?

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Great. So all of them pay the same to providers?


Apr 17, 2019, 3:13 PM

You know that isn't true. Larger insurance pools pay less than smaller ones.

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Re: You do understand that "government run primary health


Apr 17, 2019, 2:42 PM [ in reply to You do understand that "government run primary health ]


insurance" would basically dictate "government run primary health care", correct?

Of course you don't.




You do understand that paying $500 more in taxes is a lot better than paying $1800 a month for individual health plans?

Why do you think so many people want it. We're tired of being raped by health insurance companies.

And don't blame Obamacare. Health insurance companies are making billions in profits by over pricing health insurance. THEY say Obamacare is the reason. For example, between 2010 and 2015 Cigna Health's stock prices went up over 1100 percent.

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$500?


Apr 17, 2019, 3:16 PM

Is that the known cost? Is that similar to my insurance going down $2,400 /year with Obamacare?

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I'm fine with the government giving people crappy healthcare


Apr 16, 2019, 10:46 AM

And taking over the system. AS LONG AS THEY DON'T PUT BARRIERS PREVENTING PRIVATE HOSPITALS AND DOCTORS TO FLUORISH.

Private Healthcare can be just as good or better than we currently have with the nonpayers not making things so expensive.

I have zero confidence the government would allow this.

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I will file this under


Apr 16, 2019, 11:02 AM

I have no proof, I just know it is true.

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Well the USPS work great, so the government will be able to


Apr 16, 2019, 11:07 AM

administer healthcare just as well. ~CU17

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Re: Well the USPS work great, so the government will be able to


Apr 16, 2019, 9:22 PM

right, comparing apples to hand grenades. a postal worker makes about 50-70k with a pension, a UPS driver makes 14$ an hour. Eventually we will wake up and understand that an economy does not function very well when competition has driven wages down to the point where a consumer economy ceases to function because nobody can afford to buy anything. But yes, let's cut taxes on the wealthy again, that should keep the engines roaring.

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That was given as an example to me as how the government


Apr 17, 2019, 3:20 PM

works well, even though its technically not a government entity.

What you are saying is that is that your are OK with wasting money..as long as it isn't for health insurance?

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Re: question for the free health care for all libs


Apr 16, 2019, 11:06 AM

Can we have healthcare for all and also have the option for private healthcare?

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The question here is what gets covered by


Apr 16, 2019, 11:07 AM

basic universal healthcare and how much is covered?

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I like your funny words magic man


Yes, but it's going to be impossible to ask voters who...


Apr 16, 2019, 8:48 PM [ in reply to Re: question for the free health care for all libs ]

have private healthcare to go along with a tax program which pays for those who want gov benefits because their income is relatively low. I don't see that playing out at the polls.

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That would be unusual among countries with universal HC


Apr 16, 2019, 11:09 AM

The government pays for health care provided by private companies in places like Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Singapore, and Switzerland.

The UK is more nationalized but also somewhat of an outlier.

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What about Obummacare? It shall save us***


Apr 16, 2019, 11:19 AM



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If she's a hollerer, she'll be a screamer.
If she's a screamer, she'll get you arrested.


It did.


Apr 16, 2019, 8:56 PM

It gave us Trump. Had McCain cooperated with the other Rinos Obamacare would be history.

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Re: question for the free health care for all libs


Apr 16, 2019, 12:28 PM



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Re: question for the free health care for all libs


Apr 16, 2019, 1:16 PM

That's a good question. I think there should be a private component. I work in Healthcare and I can promise you that all Doctors and Dentists HATE insurance companies. They are forced into networks that are expensive and inefficient for their patients.

There has to be a middle ground. At this moment the largest drug purchaser in the world, CMS which is both Medicare and Medicaid, are forced by law to pay whatever the drug companies charge. Imagine having the same legal benefit for shoe manufacturers? Suppose the military were forced to pay whatever suppliers charged rather than taking bids?

The whole healthcare system has been corrupted by campaign contributions and that has to be corrected.

I think the idea of Universal Healthcare should be explored. It is ridiculous for me to have to pay $20,000 in premiums for health insurance. Again, by law, the Health Insurers can charge us anything they want and make hundreds of billions of dollars doing it.

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Bernie says it isn't free.


Apr 16, 2019, 8:45 PM

Taxes will be levied to pay for it. Anyone who is naive enough to believe that congressional actors are going to tax themselves to pay for your healthcare is a moron. Anyone in congress who isn't a millionaire now will be by the time they are up for reelection.

If you think the big corporations pay people to lobby for higher taxes, kick money into political campaigns and will back raising corporate taxes without providing loop hole the size of our solar system is a fool.

But the real kicker is Nancy. Ms Pelosi downplays the entire mess by saying there's only five democratic socialist in congress. If she was all in she'd not have said that. Bernie, Booker, Harris, Pete and the others running on universal healthcare will crash and burn before they get off the ground. Pelosi knows dems can't win by promising 180 mil Americans they will lose private coverage and the right to the freedoms in their ability to negotiate and select their healthcare as they are able.

Pelosi backs Obamacare. All the radicals are doing it taking up all the oxygen in the primary. If one of the nuts win the nomination it will be a cakewalk for Trump in this economy. His economics policies are rated in the high 50s percentile. Folks are happy with their jobs, their pay increases and their prosperity. No dem is going to come between them and what they have.

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Re: Bernie says it isn't free.


Apr 16, 2019, 9:02 PM

we already pay for 15% of the population to get medicare which on my tax form is 1.7% of my income. Multiply that number by 6.5 to cover the entire country, and compare it to what a baisc private plan costs, because medicare costs only grow at about half the rate of private plans. And when you consider that it covers people in the final stages of life, you can more realistically move that bar down to about 5x what you pay now, or 8.5% of your income to healthcare. I guess if you are making over 100k, it is not such a great deal, but for the rest of us it beats the pants off dealing with the private insurance market.

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