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After lil ole Clemson destroyed CFB's BEST TEAM EVER...
Jun 22, 2019, 4:36 PM
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is it really surprising Ostarine has become the people's enhancer of choice?
Or did you has something else in mind?
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Re: After lil ole Clemson destroyed CFB's BEST TEAM EVER...
Jun 22, 2019, 4:41 PM
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Oculus Spirit [90751]
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Seriously, what is going on? An over the counter product from a place like..
Jun 22, 2019, 5:34 PM
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GNC, or something else purchased online.
I never was satisfied with Clemson's official answer or was it a really No Answer..or We don't know.
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I don’t think the FDA is doing its job.
Jun 22, 2019, 5:42 PM
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But then again what do we expect from a government agency?
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Re: I don’t think the FDA is doing its job.
Jun 22, 2019, 7:12 PM
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Especially a bureaucracy out of control and unanswerable to the general electorate. In fact I have found they rarely answer to anyone. Some of the worst are the FDA, DHEC, DEA, and probably the most dangerous is FEMA!
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Don't forget the EPA
Jun 24, 2019, 11:41 AM
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Everything you need to know about them is summed up nicely in Ghostbusters.
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This isn't a job for the FDA.
Jun 23, 2019, 11:06 PM
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Dietary supplements are considered safe until proven unsafe. Until that time, they are considered "food" and thus have different regulations, not covered by FDA.
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Re: Seriously, what is going on? An over the counter product from a place like..
Jun 22, 2019, 6:18 PM
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I heard through the grapevine that a certain overbuffed former Tiger who has a gym in Anderson is no longer welcome around the current team.
The reason is implied but not stated anywhere.
Just wondering if anybody else knows anything about that.
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Boulware?***
Jun 22, 2019, 11:45 PM
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Re: Boulware?***
Jun 23, 2019, 10:57 PM
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I have no way of confirming what i was told. I also assume there is no hard evidence of wrongdoing, but a firm commitment to limit future players' exposure to ALL unauthorized substances.
I could see any or all of the 3 Tigers not wanting to throw a former Tiger All-American under the bus. Especially if they took something he offered, in spite of repeated instructions from the coaching staff.
As i said, i am repeating something that has no confirmation, only because i too am frustrated by the lack of information.
This is the highest profile, most thoroughly researched PED-case in NCAA history, and we still know nothing.
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Thanks for picking the scab
Jun 22, 2019, 5:56 PM
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moran
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"Moran"?
Jun 22, 2019, 6:00 PM
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You need to stop paying Bob these compliments.
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Re: Ostarine rears its ugly head again....this time in MLB
Jun 24, 2019, 6:02 AM
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With the volume of these stories coming out now, it certainly makes secondary contamination seem much more likely. I don’t think any of the athletes involved would knowingly take banned substances when they know they will be tested for them.
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Ostarine
Jun 24, 2019, 8:23 AM
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An 80 game unpaid suspension will cost Montas a lot of money. It cost two Clemson guys a year of play. Except of Clemson's exceptional depth on the D-Line, it could have cost us a Natty. One would think responsible athletes would stop taking supplements not given to them by their ball club or school.
That assumes of course that the 'supplement' stories are not just the excuse of the day for using a PED.
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Re: excuses
Jun 24, 2019, 10:47 AM
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Contamination is a logical conclusion when only a trace is found. I appreciate your caveat.
Away from amateur and some professional sports, ostarine has a great reputation for effective muscle development and fat burning with no negative side effects. It was designed by Rx giant Merck for the aging population losing muscle mass and other patients who suffer from muscle atrophy and dystrophy. However, it is only legal for research purposes only, not for human consumption. This is on the label of every bottle, and every user ignores it.
It is very effective. It's crime was becoming too popular. People who were very critical of the destructive effects of steroids were very positive of ostarine.
That is as of December 2018.
Now labs have a stockpile of 'healthy' performance enhancers that they cannot sell. What would you do with them, especially if you hoped that "good science" would eventually prevail in the courts? Keep holding them? Flush them? Or get a little of your investment back by diluting your other products with them? I think option #3 is clearly wrong, but i understand why they do it.
One of the other biggest problems with investigating contamination is the timeline. When you have 3 athletes test positive, the contamination was obviously very recent; but Allonzo Trier at U of Arizona tested positive twice for what was probably the same inadvertent usage (he said his stepdad gave him an ostarine-protein shake). His positive tests were TWO YEARS APART. Because he had passed numerous tests between the two failed tests, the second failed test was considered to be fresh, not a recurrence of the original.
Apparently small amounts of the chemical can be stored in fat cells while the body otherwise purges itself. Then when those fat cells are burned, the chemical is released into the body at its full effect, and a "false" positive reading is the result. It's not a "false" positive as much as it's a delayed positive. Nevertheless, NCAA guidelines are not constructed to consider that.
After losing parts of 3 college seasons, and getting to know his lawyers on a first name basis, Trier successfully went pro last year.
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Re: Ostarine rears its ugly head again....this time in MLB
Jun 24, 2019, 8:29 AM
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Random trivia about Grankie Montas that I always found interesting. He was a Dodgers prospect before he was traded to the A's. Anyway, while with Dodgers he had discomfort in his ribs when he threw the ball. He ended up having a rib removed to free him up some for his throwing motion. I had never heard of that surgery before.
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