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Open Poll: Trump and Ukraine
Sep 24, 2019, 8:09 AM
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IF Trump did in fact make a deal with Ukraine president to investigate the Bidens in order to sway the 2020 election, should he be impeached?
A. No.
B. Yes.
C. Yes, but he'll probably lose in 2020 anyway, so just wait it out.
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Re: Open Poll: Trump and Ukraine
Sep 24, 2019, 8:22 AM
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What happens if he is impeached? Does tbe transcript come out for everyone to see and read? It's not like the votes will be there jn the end anyway, but I am trying to understand what is gained by the impeachement. My answer without having more info would be one of these two..
D) No. It's a waste of time and will hurt the Dems politically.
E) Yes. Might as well, because Trump will probably win a again in 2020 anyway. At least they can be on the right side of history even it is a waste of time.
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Re: Open Poll: Trump and Ukraine
Sep 24, 2019, 9:01 AM
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I see E as most likely because the headlong rush to free everything is gonna kill the DEM chance in 2020. Heck Bernie cannot go a week without adding another item for taxpayers to wipe clean. Same with Warren, if Dems think come general time they will not be forced to show that well gee it is not really free then ........
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If the House has enough evidence to accuse the President
Sep 24, 2019, 8:23 AM
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of a crime, they should impeach him.
This applies to any situation, including this Ukraine thing.
If the President did something not illegal, but unethical, then he should not be impeached, and voters have the responsibility for taking that into account in their election.
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The WH and the interim IG are blocking the House
Sep 24, 2019, 11:40 AM
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oversight committee from seeing the whistleblower's evidence. That, in and of itself, is illegal. I'm sure the WH will offer a doctored transcript of the call or some other vague, incomplete piece of evidence, but the law requires them to turnover the entire complaint to the House committee. It is the sole purpose of having an oversight committee.
If we allow the erosion of procedural laws that exist for the purpose keeping each of our branches of government in check, we may as well be stabbing ourselves in the throat. The US will survive Trump, but who comes after him that might exploit these laws, that are now weakened, to use for their own purpose? The president is there to serve, not rule.
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I don't think they should so block the evidence.***
Sep 24, 2019, 12:29 PM
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Re: Open Poll: Trump and Ukraine
Sep 24, 2019, 8:54 AM
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Look, we both know the DEMS should have begun impeachment after the Mueller report. Ball is in their court, lacking testicular fortitude is not an excuse.
As to losing in 2020, well that depends largely upon the DEMS also as if they choose to run a leftist loon failure is almost certain.
So really this all boils down to the DEM side, House must bring a charge on impeachment. DEM promary will select the nominee, choose wisely.
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Did I not frame the question correctly?
Sep 24, 2019, 9:04 AM
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Were the instructions hard to follow?
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Re: Did I not frame the question correctly?
Sep 24, 2019, 9:41 AM
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Were the instructions hard to follow?
Not at all, the instructions were invalid as to likely outcomes is all. That is why at best it was rewarded with a C- .
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Re: Did I not frame the question correctly?
Sep 24, 2019, 9:42 AM
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It is why I chose Carlsbad's item E.
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Re: Did I not frame the question correctly?
Sep 24, 2019, 9:43 AM
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Your E answer was irrelevant. Go back to the original three answers. I'm asking your opinion on what should happen if sound evidence is given that Trump made the deal with Ukraine.
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Re: Did I not frame the question correctly?
Sep 24, 2019, 11:32 AM
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Invalid logic sequence so unable to as that would make me participate in foolishness.
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Im not sure the Dems WANT to win the presidency
Sep 24, 2019, 11:25 AM
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they surely are not doing anything to convince me that they do.
Plus in their current role they can ##### and complain and blame blame blame. All failures are Trumps fault, yada yada yada.
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Re: Open Poll: Trump and Ukraine
Sep 24, 2019, 9:10 AM
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Open Poll: Trump and Ukraine
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IF Trump did in fact make a deal with Ukraine president to investigate the Bidens in order to sway the 2020 election, should he be impeached?
A. No.
B. Yes.
C. Yes, but he'll probably lose in 2020 anyway, so just wait it out.
lmfao at you snowflakes. how many different things so far have been the last straw for poor donald. you idiots should be more worried about biden, hillary, comey and his cronies along with the annoited one being fitted for orange jumpsuits. would hillary be allowed to wear an orange pant suit.
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Re: Open Poll: Trump and Ukraine
Sep 25, 2019, 12:35 AM
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you snowflakes. how many different things so far have been the last straw for poor donald. you idiots should be more worried about biden, hillary, comey and his cronies along with the annoited one being fitted for orange jumpsuits. would hillary be allowed to wear an orange pant suit.
Oh please help us idiots understand why neither Biden, Hillary, Comey or his cronies haven't been indicted? Remember, Trump campaigned on Hillary should be in prison. He had the Senate and the House for 2 years and certainly the Justice Department...and still does.
So why haven't these people been 'locked up'?
Could it be, perhaps, that their 'criminality' was a ruse by Trump and right wing media? Is it possible you sucker fell for it? I mean, for such criminals, you guy is either derelict for not even investigating them much less indicting them....or....they committed no crime and you fell for yet another Trump lie.
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will evidence of a crime be presented first
Sep 24, 2019, 9:40 AM
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before the investigation begins on this one?
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Re: will evidence of a crime be presented first
Sep 24, 2019, 9:42 AM
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Let's say hypothetically, yes. Let's say airtight evidence is provided.
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Let's just say, hypothetically, for argument's sake, that he
Sep 24, 2019, 9:50 AM
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and his personal attorney both publicly confessed...
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Hypothetically speaking...
Sep 24, 2019, 10:23 AM
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I don't participate in them. Trump isn't trying to fix the election he will win it in a landslide because that squaw is going to end your hopes.
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If a Pres does something illegal, the answer is yes, always,
Sep 24, 2019, 10:33 AM
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it doesn't matter whether its this or anything else.
What has been happening so far is that the Dems and press have been trying to turn legal things into illegal things, and everyone is sick of it. if my understanding is correct, he has no problem admitting that while on the phone and discussing matters in Ukraine he said, "I hope you guys find out what the Bidens were doing in your country." Unless he said and arranged something else, and unless that can be proven, we have another nothing.
This is starting to sound exactly like the Russian collusion mess and the other invented scandals:
- An accusation with no actual evidence.
- Meetings are called 'evidence'.
- Guilt is assumed, Dems/media talk about nothing else for weeks
- The meetings turn out to be just meetings.
This has to stop, unless one wants to just hand Trump another win.
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is he trying to sway an election or is he
Sep 24, 2019, 11:28 AM
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trying to prove corruption of the previous administration?
What is illegal about requesting a foreign government to investigate an issue that is known and questionable?
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Kinda makes you wonder why he called it fake news.
Sep 24, 2019, 11:44 AM
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And why they refuse to release the whistleblower complaint seeing as how this is all on the up and up.
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Is that why you think he was so focused on it?
Sep 24, 2019, 3:59 PM
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Maybe there's some of that. But it would be pretty out of character for Trump to do something altruistic. The thing with him is the stupid, slimy stuff he does always has some sliver of truth or justice in it, and his defenders can usually glean that out for Trump. Then Trump clings to that sliver of truth and justice as if that was always his motivation.
Sadly, because of the way Trump's gone about this, it's going to be harder to raise the Biden's Ukraine stuff in a way that will be seen as legitimate.
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Dems have work to do before he’s not re-elected
Sep 24, 2019, 11:36 AM
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Namely, fielding a decent nominee. Don’t see it happening with the current crop of socialists.
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A.
Sep 24, 2019, 11:36 AM
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Trump and his insane clown posse are out of compliance with the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act, which is itself is a crime and also amounts to obstruction of justice. As long as the Dept of Justice is unwilling to enforce the law, the only remedy is impeachment.
That's most likely not going to happen because Democrats are a bunch of cowards who have no concept of leadership, but if they were to take that route it would end up mired in the courts for months or years. It would follow the same pattern as the Russia inquiry where Congress subpoenas witnesses, the witnesses refuse to testify, the DOJ refuses to force them to testify, and it goes to the courts. Meanwhile the public loses interest because most of the details have already leaked out in drips and drabs and the whole thing feels like old news.
It's hard not to be cynical anymore.
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Re: Open Poll: Trump and Ukraine
Sep 24, 2019, 12:04 PM
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B.
Well...uh, yeah he should be impeached if this is true. I don't know what it takes for those who say "no".
I think the hardcore derps might be about to get a lesson in real-world politics, though. Number one, Rupert Murdoch (and it's amazing how many of his faithful have no idea whatsoever who he is!) has no actual friends...he'll use a politician as long as the guy (or gal, this pattern started as far back as Margaret Thatcher) as long as they're useful...but the second they stumble, out comes the knives. Rupert's a wily old goat and you'll see the abrupt pivot literally the second it happens, because that's the moment Fox throws Hannity to the wolves and guys like Tucker Carlson and Fox and Friends forget they were ever charter members of the Trump Booster Club, and poof, it's a whole new world in Foxland.
They're also about to discover factoid #2...the difference between fear and love, from a practical point of view, is that people still love you even when they think your eyes aren't on them. I wouldn't expect bravery from the House GOP members - except for the outgoing members like Will Hurd - or Senators up for re-election like Lindsey Graham (or Mitch McConnell!) but Senate GOP members who got themselves elected in 2018 (like Mitt Romney) are doing the math for 2024 and thinking 5 years is a good long time for the electoral landscape to change, and if they're ever going to stick the knife in and rid themselves of this malevolent clown before he completely crashes the party and the country, now is very much the time.
If they see the opportunity, the knife will come out there as well. But the Dems are going to have to have the nerve to start that ball rolling and Pelosi, ever the pragmatic vote-counter and old-school business politician of no actual principle, is fighting that tooth and nail because an impeachment battle creates an uncertain political landscape whereas a straightforward election favors the Dems right now.
So Pelosi could still gum up the works. She'll certainly try. But if the impeachment train starts going runaway Pelosi will hop aboard and ride it like Slim Pickens riding that nuclear bomb at the end of Dr. Strangelove, too, because at the end of the day she's as constitutionally incapable of relinquishing control as Trump is. Which would make for a durn funny political cartoon....
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To me, the worst thing about it is...
Sep 24, 2019, 3:46 PM
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how the decision is framed as a political issue. I understand that I'm just a pie-in-the-sky moron, but I sure wish the decision to impeach or not would be a decision made just about the investigation of crime, not about what it would do to an election, party, or politician.
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Obviously, yes
Sep 24, 2019, 3:56 PM
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I don't think that happened exactly, though. I just think he wanted Ukraine to investigate the Bidens, who might have done something wrong, because he thinks it will help him. That's still not good.
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Re: Obviously, yes
Sep 24, 2019, 4:30 PM
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I don't think that happened exactly, though. I just think he wanted Ukraine to investigate the Bidens, who might have done something wrong, because he thinks it will help him. That's still not good.
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I think it'll take a recording of the phone call.
Both sides - America and Ukraine - undoubtedly have it. Trump won't produce it, not ever, if it incriminates him, no matter how many potential obstruction hits he faces because of it because we've seen him successfully stonewall before and he'll undoubtedly try again.
But Ukraine probably didn't enjoy being leveraged - again, if it happened - and they're hardly buddies with Russia, considering they're still missing territory the Russians forcibly annexed down in Crimea and have had several open military clashes with the Russkies - and Trump's besties relationship with Putin won't help him in that regard.
If they have the tape (and they almost certainly do!), they may well produce it. If Trump is stupid enough to deny and that comes out, that's probably Game Over for him.
Be interesting to see what develops there.
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My guess is that it's ambiguous***
Sep 24, 2019, 5:12 PM
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