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Metoo movement is the modern day McCarthyism
Sep 27, 2018, 5:44 PM
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I do not like Trump at all. I am not a Republican. I think violent rapists deserve death. I detest sexism and objectifying women. I even hate it when people call Heather Dinnich "Sammich." But the Metoo movement has become dangerous. Circumspection has been tossed aside.
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noted.***
Sep 27, 2018, 5:57 PM
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When the leader of #metoo has videos on pornhub
Sep 27, 2018, 6:04 PM
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I wouldn’t say it’s too credible of a cause
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Sep 27, 2018, 6:05 PM
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In your Tmail***
Sep 27, 2018, 6:09 PM
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Sep 27, 2018, 6:10 PM
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I agree. Has nothing to do with my opinion.
Sep 27, 2018, 6:14 PM
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So add to your notes.
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...and done.***
Sep 27, 2018, 6:15 PM
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What does that have to do with the #metoo movement?***
Sep 27, 2018, 6:19 PM
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Being a pornstar doesn't necessarily make one an object. IMO
Sep 27, 2018, 6:23 PM
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People can like watching someone have sex without dehumanizing them or de-legitimizing them. Ever actually have a conversation with a pornstar?
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Wouldn't be interested
Sep 27, 2018, 6:26 PM
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I'm sure some drug dealers are nice people, too. We generally have a little more sympathy with #### stars for being exploited, though.
I don't really think Stormy Daniels is the leader of metoo, as I don't really think there is a leader, let alone Stormy Daniels.
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Well I think that's extremely shallow. Comparing a
Sep 27, 2018, 6:29 PM
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a person who has sex on camera for money to a person who sells illegal drugs seems a bit simple.
Some pornstars end up empowered by their sexuality. It's not necessarily pathological behavior. Assuming so is group think.
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Some people are empowered by selling drugs, too
Sep 27, 2018, 6:34 PM
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Lots of people are empowered by doing exploitative things to themselves and others.
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Like Catholic Priests***
Sep 27, 2018, 6:36 PM
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Ok this can get convoluted... but technically speaking
Sep 27, 2018, 6:41 PM
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one is illegal and one isn't.
You could make the argument that McDonalds is exploitative... but I prefer personal responsibility.
If an adult wants to use their sexuality to make money, and this sort of thing is regulated by the authorities then what's the problem?
You too good to talk someone who uses what they have to be successful?
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I'm not too good, I just wouldn't want to associate w/ them
Sep 27, 2018, 6:51 PM
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This makes me recall years ago when one guy who used to post in here a lot flipped out because I said I wouldn't want to date a porn-star. I get that some people think, when it comes to sex, everything "consensual" is fine. I don't think that, and I think that #### exploits people's base nature just like drugs do. In fact, #### even works on the brain in much the same way that drugs do.
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And the reason for this should be self-evident?
Sep 27, 2018, 6:53 PM
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Cuz it aint. Seems arbitrary to me.
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Because I don't want to be around people who...
Sep 27, 2018, 6:54 PM
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make their living do awful stuff. At least most drug dealers don't try to pretend like what they do is good.
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LOL awful? Escalating the arbitrariness, I see.
Sep 27, 2018, 7:08 PM
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I don't share your moral evaluation of the situation. I do not attach having sex on camera with immorality. I certainly wouldn't choose to do it, but I can't see any immorality in it. But I support your right to communicate and exercise your beliefs.
Funny how people who sloppily advocate for unjust war, which results in mass deaths and suffering, escape the moral judgment wrath so easily, yet people who have sex on camera are to be isolated. Can't help but perceive a badly prioritized world view at play.
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#1) Why wouldnt you do it? And #2) Who advocates for unjust war?***
Sep 27, 2018, 7:13 PM
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Re: #1) Why wouldnt you do it? And #2) Who advocates for unjust war?***
Sep 27, 2018, 7:15 PM
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1: Because nobody would pay me. And I am not confident in my sexuality. And I do not get an emotional high from exhibitionism. And due to group-think, it would harm my family. Mostly because it has no appeal to me.
2: John McCain and Lindsay Graham.
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Re: Metoo movement is the modern day McCarthyism
Sep 27, 2018, 6:24 PM
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Made a sales call a while back. My contact was female. Walked in, sat in the conf room. She walks in and sits down. Fine. Then a male HR rep walks in, sits down and announces he's just there to "observe". I thought that was odd but paid no mind. Looking back, he was there to protect the company because she was allowed to be left in the room alone with a male. I haven't checked but I'm guessing this is becoming a common practice. Be careful out there men.
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It's replacing racism as the new boogeyman
Sep 27, 2018, 6:25 PM
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There's just not a lot of obvious, in your face, widespread and virulent racism out there like there once was. So they have moved on.....
There's infinite room for growth in the #MeToo movement.
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That actually makes it worse than Mccarthyism. The idea
Sep 27, 2018, 6:27 PM
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of flirting or being interested in sex with actual women is being conflated with rape.
That is insane. Identity politics had taken another extremely harmful escalation.
White males are essentially born criminals and have to apologize their way to proving that they are sanitized.
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examples of that?***
Sep 27, 2018, 6:36 PM
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Of what?***
Sep 27, 2018, 6:41 PM
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Really? You have not seen people conflating
Sep 27, 2018, 6:47 PM
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flirtation and "rape culture?"
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in context of actual rape cases? I can't remember any***
Sep 27, 2018, 6:49 PM
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In the context of what I am saying... which is societal.***
Sep 27, 2018, 6:50 PM
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seems subjective***
Sep 27, 2018, 7:03 PM
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That's the beauty of it. It's all subjective.***
Sep 27, 2018, 7:08 PM
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Wait, what objective thing were you looking for?***
Sep 27, 2018, 7:08 PM
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flirtation and rape for one***
Sep 27, 2018, 7:13 PM
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You want an objective example of flirtation and rape?
Sep 27, 2018, 7:16 PM
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I'm confused. You mean you want me to show you a tweet of someone conflating to two?
I honestly thought you would have an independent confirmation that this existed. You seriously doubt I can dig up an example?
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I don't doubt you can find a tweet or two arguing it...
Sep 27, 2018, 7:19 PM
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but I'm not sure that's conclusive argument that it's a widespread societal occurrence or heavily connected to the metoo movement.
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So you want me to find an academic study that confirms
Sep 27, 2018, 7:22 PM
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some sort of statistic?
I was relying on you actually witnessing this trend yourself. I am honestly surprised you haven't. If you haven't, I don't think I have much of a chance at convincing you.
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So you were relying on the biases of others
Sep 27, 2018, 7:48 PM
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to prove your point as being true?
When you say society (as a whole) is now conflating flirtation with rape and that "White males are essentially born criminals and have to apologize their way to proving that they are sanitized." I would think there would be more to that argument than, "I was relying on you already believing this to be true to make it true." Maybe I shouldn't have.
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You all are all getting lost in the minutiae
Sep 27, 2018, 8:18 PM
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And that's all by design really.
Racism, Sexism, #MeToo, McCarthyism, climate change, gay marriage, you name it.....
All of these "issues" are designed to facilitate one thing, and one thing only, revolution. These issues are all tools used to splinter society. Divide people. Attack capitalism. And ultimately bring about the capitulation of our government and revolution. The biggest fish in the pound is always the biggest target. The United States is a target from external AND internal forces. All great nations fall from within. All great national rise from within as well. Toss in a complicit media that reports news at a level that is not commensurate with reality, and you have the perfect storm. All of the boogeymen mentioned above are not NEARLY as significant, or as bad, in reality as they are on TV and on the internet.
Just sit back and watch a nation in decline from within. #MeToo is not an issue in China. Climate change is not an issue in China. Sexism is not an issue in China. Gay marriage is not an issue in China. Illegal immigration is not an issue in China. There ARE no issues in China. One nation is rising. One is failing. Irony is not lost on the fact that the declining nation is a better people and society than the rising nation.
If we do not come together as a free and sovereign people (a republic BTW), we WILL fail. Our founding fathers knew this. History is replete with examples. Look no further than when the Roman Empire was in decline. Or the Ottoman Empire. Or the British Empire. Look no further than the French Revolution to see how liberty and freedom from tyranny (monarchy) can spell disaster. Look no further than Germany/Rome to see how a nation in decline can become evil.
It's all too easy to see if you look.
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good article........
Sep 27, 2018, 6:46 PM
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#MeToo Becomes a Political Ploy Mazie Hirono makes clear that if Brett Kavanaugh were liberal, she’d give him the benefit of the doubt.
By Abigail Shrier Sept. 25, 2018 6:52 p.m. ET
Pity Lady Justice; she’s had a rough couple of weeks. On “State of the Union” Sunday, CNN’s Jake Tapper tossed Sen. Mazie Hirono of Hawaii what should have been a grapefruit: “Doesn’t Kavanaugh have the same presumption of innocence as anyone else in America?” Ms. Hirono responded: “I put his denial in the context of everything that I know about him in terms of how he approaches cases.” Conservative jurists in America have been put on notice: They are to forfeit their most basic rights as punishment for their judicial philosophy.
In the national circus that is the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing, sexual assault is very much beside the point. Christine Blasey Ford claims that 36 years ago she suffered an attempt at the most terrifying act of brutality a woman can live through. But in the hands of Senate Democrats, this is one more bit of materiel flung at the other side. Ms. Ford is merely the expedient means to a desirable end.
I have no idea what if anything happened to Ms. Ford. (Is it necessary to say this?) I have no idea whether she is more credible than Leland Keyser, whom Ms. Ford places at the party, though Ms. Keyser has no memory of it and says she’s never met Brett Kavanaugh. Neither do any of the senators, including Dianne Feinstein, who learned of the accusation and withheld it from her Republican colleagues and the Federal Bureau of Investigation for six weeks, knowing as every good gunslinger must, that if you’ve only got one bullet left, you don’t let it go to waste.
Imagine if we treated murder this way. Imagine if a woman had written to Mrs. Feinstein alleging that the man who was about to be appointed to the Supreme Court had murdered her brother 36 years ago. What would we say of a senator who failed to turn this evidence over immediately to the authorities? That the question is so easily answered indicates how much less seriously we already take crimes of sexual violence.
Mrs. Feinstein was elected in 1992, the year after Justice Clarence Thomas’s appointment. When he was accused, we were told the woman is always right. Why else would Anita Hill have brought these claims? A few years later, when the accused was Bill Clinton, elite opinion cried we shouldn’t rush to believe the accuser. He was a good feminist—and Paula Jones, not nearly our sort of girl. In both cases, we knew that the point was not any of the accusations. It was to shelter powerful men with views we liked or punish men with views we didn’t.
Then came #MeToo. For a moment, it seemed everything might change. Public opinion was on the side, not of all women exactly, but of those women with credible, corroborated claims who were willing to name powerful men—even those men with the right political allegiances. In this light, Bill O’Reilly and Harvey Weinstein seemed more alike than different; they met the same disgrace not for their political beliefs but for behavior that Americans of every political stripe should want to stop. For the first time in years, even Bill Clinton seemed less a gift to women than a Trojan Horse.
But now we’re back to our cheap tricks, using sexual assault as a political ploy. If Judge Kavanaugh were liberal, Sen. Hirono makes clear, she would give him the benefit of the doubt. If he adjudicates like a conservative, that’s evidence of rape.
This is not a fair hearing. This is not any hearing at all. This is a series of political stunts calling itself “debate” over who should sit on the Supreme Court. Those who believe a sole witness’s inchoate recollection of a never-reported incident 36 years ago have every right to this instinct, but they cannot pretend to have seen sufficient evidence to adjudicate the matter. Not without corroboration or any pattern of similar acts by the accused. For those who are already convinced of Judge Kavanaugh’s guilt, it is enough to believe no politically conservative Catholic—“some frat boy named Brett”—as NARAL called him—should ever sit on the highest court of the land. Who but a monster would refuse to endorse the right to abortion? And isn’t that tantamount to violence against women? What other evidence do we really need?
Either we’re going to take sexual assault seriously because we’re interested in protecting women, or we’ll allow it to be transformed into merely the newest political weapon. If we choose the latter, we will have encouraged victims and witnesses of even the most heinous crimes to decline to report them for decades, waiting for the politically opportune moment. And we will have helped turn a grievous crime into a cheap register of public passion that flips like a weather vane at the next election.
Ms. Shrier is a writer living in Los Angeles.
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You misspelled Circumcision
Sep 27, 2018, 8:35 PM
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Too bad your Surgeon at birth didn't perform malpractice, lose his practice, license and career..
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