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Re: Lindsey says it's time for Trump to admit climate change is real
Jul 14, 2019, 2:09 AM
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He thinks it is a hoax invented by the Chinese and that windmills cause cancer. He is kind of hopeless on this issue.
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Legend [17241]
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Just read article in local Florida paper, 75 B estimated ..
Jul 14, 2019, 8:47 AM
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to cost State in next 20 years just to mitigate impacts of climate change.
Local and State governments are well aware of impacts and slowly taking actions like elevating roads and buildings, improving drainage systems, building reefs or sea walls, improving sewage / storm water pumping systems etc. Existing funding is woefully short but city / county planners, Engineers, the Corps of Engineers and academia know that the impact and cost of climate change is staggering. Military and Port authority planners know the same. Simply think of a Cat 5 hit directly on Houston, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Charleston or Norfolk with a 12 to 15 foot storm surge?
Tax payers wil foot the bill in the end _ one way or the other. We already have, most just don’t know it.
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Re: Just read article in local Florida paper, 75 B estimated ..
Jul 14, 2019, 9:42 AM
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Reality is nothing we can do is gonna stop it from happening and it would be better to plan a move away from the coasts. Just saying even those wealth distribution Paris Accords were only gonna limit the temp rise by .2 degrees.
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Re: Just read article in local Florida paper, 75 B estimated ..
Jul 14, 2019, 3:03 PM
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thank god we have informed scientists like yourself to tell us we are doomed and there is nothing we can do. We definately need more people like yourself in positions of leadership.
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CU Guru [1907]
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Re: Just read article in local Florida paper, 75 B estimated ..
Jul 14, 2019, 7:08 PM
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You keep believing in rainbows and unicorns balmy. Like the old saying goes wish in one hand and shat in the other......
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Legend [15730]
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Savvy politics from Graham. Attempts to take away the
Jul 14, 2019, 9:02 AM
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Issue from the Dems in just the right way.
In my opinion, just in terms of this issue:
The far right perspective is that it is a hoax.
Moving slowly to the left, you get people who think it is being mid-represented or overblown, and then finally you get to the Republicans who can’t understand why the solution involves massive taxes and worldwide governance.
While I don’t like the phrasing of “admit that it’s true”, if the Republicans took the position that regardless of the “truth” of Climate Change, we can take steps to reduce emissions, and that can only be a good thing...that will resonate with a lot of people. Especially when compared, as Graham did, with AOC’s elementary school paper.
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Legend [19911]
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Nah, plenty of Republicans are still in denial
Jul 14, 2019, 9:32 AM
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It's hardly just the far right. Too much Koch money depends on not acknowledging the reality of the situation.
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Climate change is real. The climate is always in a state of change.
Jul 14, 2019, 9:17 AM
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It’s never “static”, never. Global warming however, is a total sham.
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Oh, yeah, totally. There's just no way that 7,500,000,000
Jul 14, 2019, 9:27 AM
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people consuming resources on this planet could possibly have an effect on this...planet. Pollution isn't real. Water scarcity isn't real. And climate....geez, that's always been changing.
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Re: Oh, yeah, totally. There's just no way that 7,500,000,000
Jul 14, 2019, 9:40 AM
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Then address the root cause of it for ONCE, just do something to reign in population growth 1st and foremost. Until that occurs it is all bandaid on a bulltet wouond. Population is expected to cross 10B by 2045. Are any of those problems going away with more frigging people? Duh!
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The only way to control population on a macro scale, short
Jul 14, 2019, 10:07 AM
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of mandatory sterilization or strictly enforced birth rate control, is...natural disasters and shortages. Humans function like rats and any other species at a core level, and it's particularly true in underdeveloped nations. If you provide exactly enough food for 100 rats to survive in a cage, that is roughly what the rat population will be on average. It may fluctuate to 110 or drop to 90, but on average, rats will maximize the capability of a food source to maintain a maximum population. Humans aren't different. We go viral, until our host can't sustain us any longer.
A breakthrough in food production, or desalinization, or clean energy production, doesn't solve the problem of how we're going to sustain our 7.5 billion population. Quite the opposite, actually--it opens the door for us to make exponentially more people. Rinse, repeat.
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Re: The only way to control population on a macro scale, short
Jul 14, 2019, 10:19 AM
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Yup, which is why all the useless things that will blow up the economy are actually silly. We are not gonna out tech this problem and until populations drop to a sustainable level all the handwringing is silly. Ever stop to think earth is just trying to shake off some fleas, let her go her way . Stop thinking we are gonna make it all better, if there is human based climate change then we are the problem,adding more only increases said problem.
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That's where we diverge in opinion.
Jul 14, 2019, 1:00 PM
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I'm not ready to throw my hands up and quit on the idea that a global population is powerless to steer its future to at least some extent. It takes a lot of effort and cooperation. It takes leadership, which is where the US had previously positioned itself prior to this administration. Now, it's every man for himself. Instead of figuring out how to avoid the iceberg, we're rearranging deck chairs and arguing over who has more.
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Re: That's where we diverge in opinion.
Jul 14, 2019, 3:00 PM
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Well...the cynic might suggest we wall off the country and wait out the impending global storm... let mother nature take its course and shed several billion souls. Those countries rich and geographically blessed enough to keep out the droves of climate migrants and still provide food/resources for most of its own population, will be the victors. Sort of a modern Noah's Arc played out on a much larger scale and over (potentially) a millennia or more.
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So, Americans are more important than _____,
Jul 14, 2019, 5:34 PM
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simply by virtue of being born on the correct side of a border? It's ok to have that opinion, as most people on this board and in this country share it. I've always been curious why though, particularly for those that hide behind Jesus as they exclude people. Is that what Jesus would do? Was he big into tribalism? And don't mistake this as me advocating for open borders, as I'm not.
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Re: That's where we diverge in opinion.
Jul 14, 2019, 7:17 PM
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Yup it will end war, sealed borders and lethal force used to stop incoming migrants. If one has the means to ride it out allowing hoards in will only mean your own demise
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Re: That's where we diverge in opinion.
Jul 14, 2019, 7:17 PM
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Yup it will end war, sealed borders and lethal force used to stop incoming migrants. If one has the means to ride it out allowing hoards in will only mean your own demise
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Re: That's where we diverge in opinion.
Jul 14, 2019, 7:14 PM
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1.5 billion Indians and Chinese say hello. Mostly poor who only have sex for entertainment options.
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Re: It's entirely possible we could find a doable way to remove
Jul 15, 2019, 6:31 AM
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It does not do a thing for all the other issues too many people are the cause of though, like depleted water resources. Food issues, low wages etc. Most any issue today in some way has the same root cause and that is far too many humans all needing the exect same things to survive.
Currently 22 cities and several hundred million Indians are facing a serious issue with water, that will also impact food production. Now not only are there thirsty folks but they be hungry too. Population and it's associated requirement drive most human activity causing human input in to the warming of the planet.
It is estimated that an area 2x the size of the US planted with trees could reduce CO2 by 25% across the globe yet due to human activity we are concreting an area the size of England every 10 years . Not because we think it is fun or looks better but because there has to be someplace for all these humans to exist.
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