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So, there's this "meeting" in infrastructure that
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So, there's this "meeting" in infrastructure that


May 22, 2019, 12:32 PM

got cut short.

What I don't understand is, why aren't Pelosi and Schumer meeting with McCarthy and McConnell? Congress makes the law. Get together, Congress, and pass an infrastructure law if the country needs one. Then it's up to the President to decide to sign it or not. If it's a good law, he will probably want to sign it. If it's a really good law that a large majority vote in favor of, then it won't matter if the President wants to sign it.

It's all backwards to me. The President gives final approval, but does not come up with the laws.

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Re: So, there's this "meeting" in infrastructure that


May 22, 2019, 12:37 PM

Excuse me, when did we let AG Barr come on tigernet and present a summary of events...why don't you explain why it got cut short.

President Trump says he told Democratic leaders at the White House on Wednesday he couldn't work with them while they were pursuing investigations into him and his administration.

"I’ve said from the beginning — right from the beginning — you probably can’t go down two tracks. You can go down the investigation track or you can go down the investment track," Trump said in last-minute remarks in the Rose Garden.

Trump was supposed to have a meeting with Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi this morning on infrastructure. That meeting lasted just a few minutes: During it, Trump told them he couldn't work with them until their investigations are over.

He said he message to the lawmakers was "get these phony investigations over with."

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That is not the topic I wanted to talk about...


May 22, 2019, 12:41 PM

I wanted to talk about why they are meeting with the President in the first place, to talk about what laws they want to work on.

How about just work on the laws, which is your job, and leave the President to do his job?

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Re: That is not the topic I wanted to talk about...


May 22, 2019, 12:48 PM

Why waste time if President Temper Tantrum isn't going to sign anything?

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That's on him. But if Congress doesn't even try to pass


May 22, 2019, 12:50 PM

anything, then they better not blame that on the President.

It is not a waste of time. Compared to what? What is the alternative thing that they would do, instead of working on laws? This is what their time should be spent on.

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Re: That's on him. But if Congress doesn't even try to pass


May 22, 2019, 1:12 PM

I think the point is that the House can pass all the bills they want, but unless the Rep. controlled Senate gets on board then it's a waste of time. If they can negotiate an agreement with Trump, and he says he'll sign it, then the Rep. Senate will come along.

Without Trump, no Rep. Senate. Without the Senate, no law. All laws are negotiated in this way, prior to taking votes.

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That should be obvious to anyone who understands the


May 22, 2019, 12:59 PM [ in reply to Re: That is not the topic I wanted to talk about... ]

legislative process.

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The problem is


May 22, 2019, 12:49 PM [ in reply to That is not the topic I wanted to talk about... ]

Mitch is going to do exactly what the president says. So they know good a well any dealings with Mitch is going to be an exact replica of dealing with Trump.

So why deal with a Senate leader who isn't vulnerable when you can pin gridlock on the president who is due for an election?

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I like your funny words magic man


There you go. Political strategy, as opposed to


May 22, 2019, 12:51 PM

making good laws for the people.

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Trump can still make an infrastructure law


May 22, 2019, 12:53 PM

he just has to lose his leverage on ending the investigations. Which won't happen. Which will get him more votes? Passing meaningful legislation that is of interest to the entire country, or stopping investigations that people already have a solid opinion on anyways?

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I like your funny words magic man


Maybe I'm just naive or simple-minded...


May 22, 2019, 12:56 PM

But I, on principle, will not blame the President for the lack of laws being passed by Congress, anymore than I will blame Congress for a lack of enforcement of laws.

If laws come to his desk, that I think are good, and he doesn't sign them, then I will hold that against him. But if nothing comes to his desk, I'm going to pin that on the people who put stuff on his desk.

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Your disdain is pointed at the wrong person.


May 22, 2019, 1:01 PM

The laws he wants and only the laws he wants will reach his desk. Any other law will be stonewalled by Mitch.

If you want gridlock to end, Mitch has to go.

I think this situation is what's wrong with Trump. The position he took will absolutely resonate with his base WHO ARE ALREADY VOTING FOR HIM. The other position would be better towards reelection. Getting a meaningful infrastructure bill would go a long ways towards getting independent and middle ground voters. However, Trump is doubling down on his base and not reaching out to other voters.

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I like your funny words magic man


I'm not showing disdain, at least I'm not attempting to...


May 22, 2019, 1:06 PM

McConnell's name was in my first post in this thread. So I'm not leaving him out of the discussion.

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Yeah but you're asking why they aren't meeting with him


May 22, 2019, 1:08 PM

and I answered why

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I like your funny words magic man


I agreed with your answer.


May 22, 2019, 1:10 PM

I don't like it, but I recognize that it is their reason.

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You sound just like every supporter of every politician


May 22, 2019, 1:08 PM [ in reply to Your disdain is pointed at the wrong person. ]

who opposed Trump in 2016. You know how often he got advice to stop "only" appealing to his base while he was beating everyone in all the primaries and the general?

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Voter turnout/motivation of a radical vote vs a hated vote


May 22, 2019, 1:09 PM

vs voter turnout/motivation of an incumbent is usually very different

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I like your funny words magic man


Which is something the DNC failed to understand. They


May 22, 2019, 1:14 PM

could've run a turnip against Trump and won....but they chose Hillary. Only one of the most hated and polarizing political figures of the last two decades! I'da voted turnip, how bout you?

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Hopefully, those that chose Trump over Hillary will stop


May 22, 2019, 1:16 PM

using this crutch to justify their mistake.

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The country knew what they were getting with


May 22, 2019, 1:17 PM [ in reply to Which is something the DNC failed to understand. They ]

Hillary and said no thanks (yes she did win the popular vote but who cares, she didn't win the presidency) and thought you know what, the unknown with Trump is better than the known with Hillary.

Then he got into the presidency and didn't settle down and everybody went "oh ####"

If he would have slowly settled down on the crazy instead of doubling down, he would have a casual stroll to a second term even with the investigations.

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I like your funny words magic man


If we're honest with ourselves, Prod, we can place blame


May 22, 2019, 1:04 PM [ in reply to Maybe I'm just naive or simple-minded... ]

everyone who voted him in; me included. This administration has been a trainwreck from the start and you have to look at the engineer for that. He doesn't understand foreign policy, trade policy, basic economics, fundamental politics, military strategy or real "deal-making" and he doesn't seem inclined to inform himself of these subjects, either. He seems more concerned with how he looks in all of this and if he gets good ratings.

The best thing for America is for Trump to be out of the White House and be replaced with a serious and thoughtful individual who understands the doctrine of servant leadership.

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You are being naive.


May 22, 2019, 1:13 PM [ in reply to Maybe I'm just naive or simple-minded... ]

This isn't rocket science. It's common sense.

Everyone knows how afraid Republicans are of Trump. He has the bully pulpit and Twitter to pressure them. If the President supports an infrastructure investment, which he has up until today, and Democrats do too, why would you refuse to work with him to craft a solution that he can use to pressure Congressional Republicans to support? Congressional Republicans aren't going to negotiate something that they know the president won't sign and then pressure him to sign it.

I think you know this.

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What I'm saying is...


May 22, 2019, 1:17 PM

to Congressional Republicans...forget the President. Work with your colleagues in Congress. Unfortunately, their personal measure for success, and also our measure for how we vote for them, usually is just how much the President likes them.

It's a nice way to win elections, but I don't like it. I'd rather get better roads and bridges.

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I agree that Republicans should work this out, but


May 22, 2019, 1:32 PM

you started off complaining about Pelosi and Schumer.

Republicans in Congress know that the Republican base hangs on every lie that the president utters or types. If they cross him, they will get a Republican Primary Challenger immediately. Did you see how quickly Amash of Michigan got a primary opponent. Mark Sanford?

Given the threshold for overriding a Presidential veto and the hold that Trump has on the Republican Party, the reality of the situation is Trump is the one Democrats negotiate with or they have zero chance of getting anything done.

You can thank Republican Primary Voters and the spineless Republicans in Congress(except 1) for it.

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It was not my intent to complain about Pelosi and Schumer


May 22, 2019, 1:59 PM

and just them. My apologies if my post came across that way. I specifically mentioned their Republican colleagues in my original post.

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Why not fix our crumbling infrastructure?


May 22, 2019, 1:30 PM [ in reply to The problem is ]

Why can't Lexington County pass a penny tax for JUST THE FREAKING ROADS like they said at the start? Watch what vote-buying, reelection earning, garbage gets put into ANY infrastructure bill. It's pathetic. Then watch the money get pissed away and misspent when all is said and done.

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Re: Why not fix our crumbling infrastructure?


May 22, 2019, 5:09 PM

Sadly, local politics and the policies that come out of it are worse than the national level. Might be because so few seem to care or vote but it is a real #### show full of "deals" that enrich friends and money getting reallocated to who knows where.

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Which is what Trump should tell both houses of Congress.


May 22, 2019, 12:50 PM [ in reply to That is not the topic I wanted to talk about... ]

That, however, might put him in a compromising situation.

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Strangely enough, I completely agree.


May 22, 2019, 2:33 PM

Congress is not in the investigating business. What they are doing is pure politics which helps none of the citizens. They should be fixing the infrastructure, dealing with the crisis at the border, revamping medicare and medicaid and passing other laws which benefit this country by helping our economy, increasing the number of jobs available and raising wages.

The investigations should be left to the Justice Dept which has the facility to investigated without dragging the nation through politics. Trump doesn't like any investigations by either party or else he would declassify all the FISA warrants, documents pertaining to the witchhunt and a ton of other stuff which would consume the news and social media.

This is total bullchit!

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Congressional oversight is important to the functioning


May 22, 2019, 4:20 PM

of our government, congress needs to be doing this right now. Had we not elected such a dirtbag, none of this would be necessary. And they certainly should not allow this executive administration set precedent for future bad behavior in the office. It ain't politics, it's how our government works.

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If we're going to point fingers then allow me to point...


May 22, 2019, 4:43 PM

at Podesta giving up his password thereby giving Russia access to the DNC's server and Hillary's unsecure server which allowed Russia to come to possess tens of thousands of classified documents including the US intelligence communities' data... and the witchhunt into Russia collusion that turned up the truth that no American colluded to conspire with Russia to fix the election.

Trump is POTUS and there's not a gatdang thing dems in congress can do about it but try and show the American voters that they are good lawmakers so Trump will lose when a dem gets elected in 2020.

If the dems in congress had a hair on their butts they'd impeach Trump now.

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If Hillary were in office we'd be up to our ears in the same


May 22, 2019, 5:05 PM

shid. The Clinton Foundation would've been turned upside down to expose the pay-to-play model under which it seemingly operated and gawd knows the emails/server mess would've been the catalyst for just as massive of a conflict. We deserved better candidates in the last election.

As FBcoach said earlier, had Trump handled himself better and calmed down instead of doubling down on every dumb thing he did or said, 2020 would be a walk in the park for him. He is not even remotely worthy of the office and shows it every day. It blows my mind how conservatives of any variety would throw in their lot with his.

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Trump is the Tea Party's response to Obama/Biden.


May 22, 2019, 8:35 PM

Folks across America didn't like Obama's efforts to 'fundamentally change,' America. It beyond me how after knowing that your party has 2 doz candidates of which most are openly expressing socialist agendas.

Just so you know, when you've dug a hole too deep to climb out of you should probably quit digging.

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can you do anything besides parrot


May 23, 2019, 1:03 AM

what you see on Fox? If you stepped out of the my party vs your party mindset, it would help you out of the hole you mentioned.

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Re: can you do anything besides parrot


May 23, 2019, 10:58 AM

I'll answer that!

No, he does not

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Re: So, there's this "meeting" in infrastructure that


May 22, 2019, 2:11 PM

Shouldn't it be evident why they're trying to work with the President? He's the leader of the party.

I doubt you'll find any examples in history of the Congress working on a trillion dollar bill without consulting the President.

Presidents and governors are always involved in the legislative process to an extent.

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I'm sure you're right...


May 23, 2019, 6:24 AM

I'm certainly pretty ignorant when it comes to politics, having never really followed it until the last few years.

I'm just posting a perspective based purely on the logic of how the government is set up in the Constitution.

And there remains a question, if previous Congresses have worked with the President on laws, does that necessarily mean that strategy would be effective with this President? This is a different kind of President.

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there’s no money, thanks to last years tax cuts***


May 22, 2019, 9:59 PM



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