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So Duke can afford to put out a very good baseball team, but Clemson can't?
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So Duke can afford to put out a very good baseball team, but Clemson can't?
Jun 8, 2019, 6:00 AM
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Shameful & it starts from the top down. Saying, the HC is the 1st to blame.
Dabo Swinney could take every athletic team at Clemson & immediately squeeze out more wins in one season, imho.
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Saying DRad is at the pinnacle of the Athletic Department.***
Jun 8, 2019, 6:04 AM
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Re: Saying DRad is at the pinnacle of the Athletic Department.***
Jun 8, 2019, 6:10 AM
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Sooooo, nothing better to do than complain about the baseball team?
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? lbb doesn't understand why Duke can excel at Men's
Jun 8, 2019, 6:22 AM
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Varsity Baseball while Clemson can not - a reasonable question.
I offered lbb the true apex of the Athletic Department.
Maybe you don't internet so good and yours was intended for lbb, not me?
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We’re applying too much of our resources to men’s basketball.***
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Jun 8, 2019, 6:19 AM
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Jun 8, 2019, 6:50 AM
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Re: We’re applying too much of our resources to men’s basketball.***
Jun 8, 2019, 9:45 AM
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Oh heII no!
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Re: So Duke can afford to put out a very good baseball team, but Clemson can't?
Jun 8, 2019, 7:07 AM
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Duke and Vandy have huge endowment funds in the billions that can be used to give "legal" general scholarships to baseball players where Clemson and most other power 5 schools cannot come close to. So yes, Duke can afford to have a good baseball team and Clemson only has extremely limited scholarships.
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Re: So Duke can afford to put out a very good baseball team, but Clemson can't?
Jun 8, 2019, 7:26 AM
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They apparently finally bought a tarp for the field
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Re: So Duke can afford to put out a very good baseball team, but Clemson can't?
Jun 8, 2019, 7:37 AM
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we still have nicer tarps and can fund a crew to deploy them aS needed.
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Re: So Duke can afford to put out a very good baseball team, but Clemson can't?
Jun 8, 2019, 11:55 AM
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Duke and Vandy have huge endowment funds in the billions that can be used to give "legal" general scholarships to baseball players where Clemson and most other power 5 schools cannot come close to. So yes, Duke can afford to have a good baseball team and Clemson only has extremely limited scholarships.
This isn’t true. It’s a message board myth. They have the exact same baseball scholarships as everyone else. Their generous endowments let them offer significant financial aid based on income to their entire student bodies. Families with less than $60k annual income generally pay nothing to attend these schools (if they can get in). Identical to Ivy League schools - who aren’t exactly dominating college baseball.
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Re: So Duke can afford to put out a very good baseball team, but Clemson can't?
Jun 8, 2019, 7:46 AM
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Duke does have a lot more money. I am not sure if it matters though.
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Duke is private and may not be playing by the same...
Jun 8, 2019, 8:08 AM
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rules as public universities.
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Re: So Duke can afford to put out a very good baseball team, but Clemson can't?
Jun 8, 2019, 9:15 AM
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Sorry LBB, have to disagree with you on this one. I don’t think even Dabo could pull it off with the lack of support and caring Clemson has for its off sports.
It makes me laugh that Berry gets on here and says it’s excuses. No, Clemson is sucking hind ### to everyone else who is competing in baseball , soccer, golf, f & t. Our facilities are behind the times when compared to teams that have risen to the top.
These teams will continue to put distance between us. In actuality, our coaches are over achieving given the lack of resources and support from the university.
Fact is, until Clemson decides to get serious about supporting the other sports and find ways to compete financially with creative aid for our Athletes and continue to upgrade our facilities, we’ll continue to see average to less than average teams on the field.
The only reason Monte’s doing as good a job as he has is because of his respect in state high school coaches and the same goes for Larry Penley.
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What specifically do they need that they don’t have?
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Jun 8, 2019, 9:23 AM
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Any ideas???
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Re: What specifically do they need that they don’t have?
Jun 8, 2019, 11:54 AM
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Financial aid for student athletes. The Hope foundation is the only reason we were able to get Logan Davidson here.
I realized my post was going to be unpopular but it’s the truth... and not coming from me. My information is based on what DRad and other sports figures associated with Clemson. It’s not just my opinion. Hth.
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Re: What specifically do they need that they don’t have?
Jun 8, 2019, 12:22 PM
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Financial aid for student athletes. The Hope foundation is the only reason we were able to get Logan Davidson here.
I realized my post was going to be unpopular but it’s the truth... and not coming from me. My information is based on what DRad and other sports figures associated with Clemson. It’s not just my opinion. Hth.
You can’t give financial aid just for being an athlete - that’s a scholarship and is governed by the NCAA rules. Financial aid is determined by financial need and is based of your FAFSA application. Whatever you offer is available to your entire student body - not just athletes. And they measure net worth, not just income. So you can’t simply take a year off work and get your kid into school for free. I don’t know anything about Logan’s family situation but really doubt the son of a 5 season MLB player is qualify for any school’s most robust financial aid packages. I know Vanderbilt sets the threshold at $60k/year for free attendance. The flipside to that policy is that very few kids who come from that background can actually get into Vanderbilt.
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Re: My understanding is Logan Davidson came to Clemson
Jun 8, 2019, 2:46 PM
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You’re right 85grad, it was suggested that Logan benefited from that, and you’re right too viztiz... I appreciate both of the corrections, however, my point I was trying to make is it has a lot to do with other than Monte is just not a good coach and Dabo would turn the program around.
Whereas I may have had a few facts wrong, I believe Will Vandervort had excellent points and DRad offered not much more than we’re trying to figure it out... I just can’t believe with all the talent and money we have in and around Clemson that we can’t figure it out.
My apologies for wanting best is the standard for All of Clemson athletic teams.
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Re: My understanding is Logan Davidson came to Clemson
Jun 8, 2019, 4:12 PM
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Leaving the ACM is an unforced error by Clemson and furthers my low opinion of DRad that such a thing happened under his nose.
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Re: So Duke can afford to put out a very good baseball team, but Clemson can't?
Jun 8, 2019, 10:29 AM
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Clemson is a football school, no doubt about it. But to say that Clemson hasn’t put money into other programs isn’t true. Millions have been invested into basketball and baseball facilities the past several years.
The fact is start winning, and show consistency at winning, especially big games, and more money and more recruits will come. Everyone seems to forget that Dabo started off making around $800,000 and had to go up against football Goliaths. Good grief, Coastal Carolina won the CWS just a few years ago. Too many excuses for basketball and baseball.
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Re: So Duke can afford to put out a very good baseball team, but Clemson can't?
Jun 8, 2019, 5:44 PM
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You’re right LC, I wasn’t talking about basketball. You have full scholarships there as does football. We have updated LJ recently. B-ball imo is coaching and recruiting... that can and will be fixed.
I was referring primary to baseball as well as the other off season sports. Unfortunately, with the lack of financial assistance to players/students and coupled with the fact we’re not a private institution it’s a tough gig and facilities is about all you’re left with to compete with.
Bottom line, it’s a ton more to it than Monte just isn’t getting it done. With the 2009 roster and scholly changes, you’ll see more and more teams like coastal and jack st able to play for Omaha.... money.
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Re: So Duke can afford to put out a very good baseball team, but Clemson can't?
Jun 8, 2019, 9:43 AM
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This hurts to say, take out our football program, and our athletic department is basically n.c. state without a trophy in basketball
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But... we’re not taking out football.***
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Jun 8, 2019, 12:16 PM
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if money bought championships, all trophies would
Jun 8, 2019, 10:14 AM
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reside in Texas/Texas A&M.
In baseball, sometimes things are unexplainable. A hot team >> a talented team.
The Duke kids are just peaking right now.
Vandy had won 24 of their last 25 games until last night.
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Re: So Duke can afford to put out a very good baseball team, but Clemson can't?
Jun 8, 2019, 10:47 AM
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And by "afford" are you implying BRIBE, BUY, CHEAT.
What if we were to say: So Clemson can afford to put out a very good football team, but
Florida State...
Virginia Tech...
Miami...
etc...
can't.
Would that be fair? Or would that be offensive to Clemson fans?
Has Duke had a super-regional quality baseball team every year? Or is this year a product of longterm planning, teaching/coaching, growth, and the nexus of recruiting, transfers, junior drafts leaving, and limited injuries.
As for me, I'll wait patiently for the current coach to accumulate talent over time using the RECENT improvement in facilities while maximizing the limited number of scholarships, have a year when injuries don't dilute talent, and, while maintaining and solidifying staff, allow that staffing to improve and mature as they lead the program.
While we all like to win - all the time - it's impracticable to win in everything, all the time.
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Re: So Duke can afford to put out a very good baseball team, but Clemson can't?
Jun 8, 2019, 11:56 AM
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No, I don’t mean cheat and ridiculous to even infer that.
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It took Dabo a few years for it to begin to click-4th & 16
Jun 8, 2019, 10:58 AM
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Monte's only had four years. Maybe give him a little longer before getting so down about the state of the program? If after five years nothing has improved, then I believe it will be addressed.
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Re: It took Dabo a few years for it to begin to click-4th & 16
Jun 8, 2019, 3:23 PM
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So, give him one more year to make noticeable improvement?
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Duke has a good basketball team too..
Jun 8, 2019, 4:37 PM
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And soccer and lacross..
Plenty of reasons for any1 to drop clemson and go blue devils .
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Re: So Duke can afford to put out a very good baseball team, but Clemson can't?
Jun 8, 2019, 7:49 PM
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Bottom line is Duke is better coached and it shows on the field. Clemson has better talent but Duke is a better team, so what else could it be ?
Next season, year 5 with an experienced team and a good pitching staff will tell the tale for CML.
So far every season has ended about the same with spotty pitching, terrible fielding and nobody able to hit a beach ball. This program is spinning wheels and just before heading in reverse.
If we are not a top 20 type team next season it’s time for new blood .
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