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CU17
Nov 27, 2018, 8:27 AM
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Yesterday I said Trump's poll numbers were up. Well that was so last week. Today his new numbers came out and he has a record 60% disapproval numbers. He is getting crushed. It's up to the Dems not to blow it.
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Re: CU17
Nov 27, 2018, 9:23 AM
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And there will be little bumps up in his favor as time goes on. What is happening today will have little to do with his reelection chances.
Immigration is an issue he went all in on in 16. He needs a way to find new voters. This probably isn't it.
The trend is what to pay attention to. The trend since he won isn't good for him.
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Re: CU17
Nov 27, 2018, 9:43 AM
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What happens every day is a factor to what happens in 2020. As far as immigration, he is finding new support on that issue now. That's become a bigger strength for him actually. It just comes down whether his flaws end up outweighing his strengths and who our candidate is.
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What are you two smoking?
Nov 27, 2018, 11:36 AM
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The 20-20 comes down to the economy, jobs, consumer and business confidence. Social issues play a minor part in a POTUS election. He's doing what Reagan did during his first term. You can expect the same outcome in the general election as Reagan had when running for his second term.
Tell everyone how many states Reagan took.
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While I agree with that, it won't matter anyways
Nov 27, 2018, 11:40 AM
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I highly highly doubt the dems are going to go with somebody who has a chance at winning. The Pelosi nomination was my litmus test for if the dems are going to see that a change has to occur. Obviously they are fine with trotting out the same names that have always been there and are not well liked throughout the country.
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Re: While I agree with that, it won't matter anyways
Nov 27, 2018, 11:59 AM
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Exactly. Who will the candidate be?
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Bernie or Warren
Nov 27, 2018, 12:16 PM
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Joe if we're lucky
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Actually, Pelosi was the better choice for Speaker.
Nov 27, 2018, 11:59 AM
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Trump has taken the working class from dems and they desperately need to abandon the socialist agenda to regain those voters. While I believe the youth and many minorities won't vote without being represented in the election I do not believe the moderates will be behind a progressive socialist.
Dems have a structural problem which I do not believe they can fix.
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Re: What are you two smoking?
Nov 27, 2018, 11:57 AM
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The 2020 may come down to those things, but there are many other factors when dealing with Trump. He has those things and yet 60% still disapprove. Reagan and Trump are nothing similar by the way.
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People can disapprove of 90% of Trump's BS but...
Nov 27, 2018, 12:04 PM
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they'll stop by the polls and vote for him while on the way to cash their paychecks.
My Econ 301 professor offered an A to anyone in our class if who could find a decision which was not founded in economics. That was on the first day of class. His only exclusion was emotional considerations. No one collected the A and no one ever will.
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Re: People can disapprove of 90% of Trump's BS but...
Nov 27, 2018, 12:33 PM
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Time will tell. I will stand by that you gauge things as you normally would with Trump. That said, the economy is showing some signs that there may be some weakness within the next 2 years anyway.
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I think there are a couple of bubbles that are growing
Nov 27, 2018, 12:37 PM
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one being the student loan debt.
Probably won't bust for another couple of years.
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Re: People can disapprove of 90% of Trump's BS but...
Nov 27, 2018, 12:39 PM
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Explain then, the people who lost their jobs directly because of Trump's trade war yet still support him.
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Fox news***
Nov 27, 2018, 12:40 PM
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Re: Fox news***
Nov 27, 2018, 2:24 PM
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Fox News, Hannity and Rush radio, Info Wars.
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Re: What are you two smoking?
Nov 27, 2018, 12:03 PM
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Social issues play a huge part as any decent poll can show you. Abortion and guns are major issues in any national election.
The economy plays a huge part, though. And in no way is 2020 comparable to 1984. By this point in Reagan's term, he had realized that massive revenue cuts without spending cuts can't be sustained. By the end of 1982, his administration had already begun a series of tax increases that kept coming until the early 90's. Reagan also wasn't starting international trade disputes with no apparent end game. Reagan didn't have softening housing numbers and a weakening stock market (which indicates nothing more than investor skepticism). The early 80's recession hurt him, but people could see the results paying off by 84. Trump inherited a strong economy, so he's not going to get the benefit of the perception that his policies initiated any type of recovery.
There is almost no way 2020 ends up like 1984 economically.
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Reagan was a very magnanimous person who most
Nov 27, 2018, 5:57 PM
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people liked generally speaking.
Trump is a terrible person who most people dislike generally speaking.
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Trump's biggest mistake...
Nov 27, 2018, 2:17 PM
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As pointed out by a column I read this past weekend, is one that the past few two-term presidents didn't make: He has failed to expand his base. He's instead focused on catering more and more to his hardcore base while alienating those who could have become supporters.
Obama, Bush, and Clinton all expanded their base of support in time for reelection.
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