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Conservative Media and our President are doing a dangerously
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Conservative Media and our President are doing a dangerously


Apr 15, 2019, 11:42 AM

good job of painting illegal immigrants as horrible job stealing, ######, murdering, criminals. When the fact of the matter is, most of these immigrant's only crime is coming into the country illegally to escape certain death for them and their kids.

After reading through the mange dump thread, it's crazy that we would push this ideology against a race of people in 2019.

What the administration is doing is very similar to how black people were displayed pre 1960's.

But they can't do that to black people now because of all of the protection there.

However, Jose the brown person who just came in the country with his kids escaping a cartel hell hole doesn't have that kind of protection. So let's turn racists against him.

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I like your funny words magic man


I know an Indian dot guy that goes by Jose


Apr 15, 2019, 11:50 AM

just one syllable, like short for Joseph

He came into this country the legal and hard way and became a US citizen after many years

not sure if this helps or not

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Re: I know an Indian dot guy that goes by Jose


Apr 15, 2019, 11:52 AM

Thanks for your racist contribution

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which part?***


Apr 15, 2019, 11:54 AM



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Re: which part?***


Apr 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

Lol, the soft among us welcome their invaders until they’re overrun with them. These will be the people that wake up too late, look around one day and say,”what happened?”

They’re taught that “diversity” is a strength while allowing illegal entry into their homeland by a people who have no intention of assimilating the host culture, learning the language or identifying, by oath, as a true citizen. Most illegals, especially in recent numbers, will never be American. US citizens’ concerns and complaints are quickly extinguished lest they be labeled “racist”. Here and in Europe, all predominantly white countries are softened with diversity-speak and punished with fear of “racism”, all while having their populations slowly but surely replaced.

Ireland is waking up, but it’s too late:

https://youtu.be/j2Sh1omwv0U

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Funny you picked Ireland, since they used to say the same


Apr 15, 2019, 5:01 PM

things about Irish immigrants here in the United States. Back then, Irish people weren't even considered white.



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Re: Funny you picked Ireland, since they used to say the same


Apr 16, 2019, 9:10 AM

I wish they didn't have so much mass immigration in Europe. I wish all of the countries just stayed as they were. The US is a melting pot, but I prefer those countries in Europe don't lose their identities.

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Re: Conservative Media and our President are doing a dangerously


Apr 15, 2019, 11:56 AM

They just say that people are a burden, a drain on the system, and we don't want to pay to get them on their feet. They should say that the crisis is becoming too massive for us to handle. Call them good people that our system can't absorb financially. No need to demonize them. Just say the funds need to go to American issues.

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And if they did that I would buy it.


Apr 15, 2019, 11:57 AM

That's the correct way to go about it. We can't afford it.

But the stories of 5 immigrants out of tens of thousands who murdered somebody is just racial division.

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I like your funny words magic man


Re: And if they did that I would buy it.


Apr 15, 2019, 12:03 PM

It's just pandering to his base possibly. He is trying to freak people out for votes. That said, I think he gets more people by just stating it as I said. Everyone can relate to that. We can't afoord it? Okay then we can't. So many of us can agree with that.

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And there's the problem.


Apr 15, 2019, 12:13 PM

his base is race.

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I like your funny words magic man


Re: And if they did that I would buy it.


Apr 15, 2019, 2:18 PM [ in reply to Re: And if they did that I would buy it. ]

Can't afford half the #### that the government is handing out. No one cares about the fact that we can't afford it.

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GO TIGERS!!


Re: And if they did that I would buy it.


Apr 16, 2019, 7:19 AM

I think they do when it comes to spending it on non Americans where we have no interest in doing so. I think it would be an easy sell to most people. When you tell them that same money is going to be spents on infrastructure, schools, etc., the vast majority of people would understand.

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LOL, no you wouldn't. You'd still be carrying on with


Apr 15, 2019, 12:31 PM [ in reply to And if they did that I would buy it. ]

accusations of racism.

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Re: And if they did that I would buy it.


Apr 15, 2019, 12:46 PM [ in reply to And if they did that I would buy it. ]

The first step across is the problem. They are all ILLEGAL. How hard is that to understand. They need to get sent back home and come in the legal way.

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Re: And if they did that I would buy it.


Apr 15, 2019, 4:48 PM [ in reply to And if they did that I would buy it. ]

No, the story, as you put it, of just one illegal alien that jumped our fence and caused the death of an innocent American should be all that’s necessary to end the argument that mixing the 3rd world with the 1st world is a good idea.

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You want to ignore the drug smuggling and human...


Apr 15, 2019, 2:56 PM [ in reply to Re: Conservative Media and our President are doing a dangerously ]

trafficking, the rape of women and children, the deaths of thousands who try to walk across the desert and mountains without survival skills or gear.

One rancher reported finding over a thousand human remains on his land, that's only one rancher and those are only the remains he found. The MSM doesn't cover such stories and no one has brought that subject up but the bodies are real, they are women, children and men who lost their lives trying to have a better life. That, my friend, is a crisis.

The drain on our system is causing the DHS to have to turn these people on the streets instead of feeding, housing and providing shelter for them. Thousands each day are 'dumped,' on the streets of the cities nearest the border. 'Dumped,' is the dem leaders' and MSM's term, not mine. Truthfully though, with the courts stifling the POTUS' efforts to detain them and disallowing him to legally send them to Mexico they are and have been dumped on the streets already.

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Perhaps if some people on the right would stop categorizing


Apr 15, 2019, 11:59 AM

all illegal aliens as violent criminals and some people on the left stopped acting like the only reason anyone opposes illegal immigration is because they’re racist, the rest of us could have an adult conversation about border security and immigration policy.

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But that won't get you votes


Apr 15, 2019, 12:01 PM

Most of the country is actually very close together on immigration policy.

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I like your funny words magic man


Re: Perhaps if some people on the right would stop categorizing


Apr 15, 2019, 12:23 PM [ in reply to Perhaps if some people on the right would stop categorizing ]

People aren't going to stop calling racists racist just in the name of civility. How about put the burden on the racists to stop being racist?

We've already had a racist comment in this thread for God's sake.

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Lol. Asked and answered. Carry on.***


Apr 15, 2019, 12:27 PM



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Is there anything that you don't consider racist?***


Apr 15, 2019, 12:29 PM [ in reply to Re: Perhaps if some people on the right would stop categorizing ]



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Re: Is there anything that you don't consider racist?***


Apr 15, 2019, 12:57 PM

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bwhahaha


Apr 15, 2019, 12:56 PM [ in reply to Re: Perhaps if some people on the right would stop categorizing ]

and there you have it, the "open minded" liberal

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I still don't know which part was racist


Apr 15, 2019, 2:49 PM [ in reply to Re: Perhaps if some people on the right would stop categorizing ]



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Assuming "Indian dot guy".***


Apr 15, 2019, 3:12 PM



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OK maybe I should have said Indian bindi guy


Apr 15, 2019, 4:02 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bindi_(decoration)

In no way was my statement intended to be racist, insensitive to some maybe

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Re: Conservative Media and our President are doing a dangerously


Apr 15, 2019, 12:33 PM

If all the illegal immigrants are law abiding (except the law they broke entering the US) then place them all in sanctuary cities/states. Why was there objection this? I don't have a problem with law abiding citizens in Georgia, but I do have a problem with an entire group dropped off in GA that will not doubt consume millions and millions of tax dollars.

Also, most times you can't have any reasonable debate with any subject related to race because two seconds in to the discussion the left screams 'racist' and it's all downhill from there.

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Re: Conservative Media and our President are doing a dangerously


Apr 15, 2019, 12:47 PM

That's why Trump shouldn't demonize them. He should have just said we can't afford them and that we have our own problems...schools...roads..debt..etc. He went down a road he never needed to go down. Now he can't go back. I am a liberal and I see the people as good people, but a burden on the system that we can't afford. They will just keep coming.

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Y'all really aren't grasping how silly you look with this.


Apr 15, 2019, 2:14 PM [ in reply to Re: Conservative Media and our President are doing a dangerously ]

Trump: "Violent illegals are coming to America so we must stop all of them!"

Trumpies: "Yeah! Keep em all out of here at all costs!"

Two years later...

Trump: "Sanctuary cities aren't giving me what I want, so I'm gonna dump illegals in their cities teach em a lesson!"

Trumpies: "Yeah! Let the dangerous illegals in and turn them loose in America! Go Trump!"

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Is this what they call “controlling the narrative”?


Apr 15, 2019, 2:34 PM

Again, I fail to see how this is hypocritical. Trump wants to keep them out. Trump wants to build a wall. Trump wants to hold them in detainment. Trump wants to have them wait in Mexico until their asylum case can be heard.

None of that has changed. He’s just been thwarted by his political opposition, who inexplicably has used “he wants to control our borders!” as an attack angle on Trump.

So if he now says “Fine, if I can’t have my way, and you are telling me that they are good people looking to contribute to our great country and I’m a villain and a racist for not wanting to let them in, YOU can have them.” And now the sanctuary cities are suing him. For what? Is this not what they wanted? Wasn’t he inhuman for not wanting this?

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How, exactly, does a city municipality...


Apr 15, 2019, 2:40 PM

Have the ability to stop Trump from keeping out illegals and building a wall? Or have control over how he detains them at the border? Or stop them from waiting in Mexico?

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So the issue ISN’T hypocrisy?***


Apr 15, 2019, 2:42 PM



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It very much is.


Apr 15, 2019, 2:49 PM

Trump and his followers have told us repeatedly that these people are dangerous. Now, as a punitive revenge measure--not one of sound policy--he wants to release them into America to sanctuary cities as a big F U.

Of course, these immigrants can go anywhere they want in America now.

If you've spent all this time telling us people are dangerous and we have to keep them out, don't turn them loose in the country in some stupid attempt to teach a lesson.

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I’m basing my argument on the premise that his other


Apr 15, 2019, 2:59 PM

solutions have been exhausted. He cannot get legislative authority to detain families longer. He cannot have them wait in Mexico. He cannot just “not let them in”. He cannot secure the border to his satisfaction due to Democrat legislative opposition.

If that is not the case...if he CAN keep illegal immigrants out of the country but is choosing to let them in to place them in sanctuary cities, then yes, that’s completely terrible. Also completely counterproductive, but that doesn’t mean he’s not doing that.

But if that IS the case, then the fact that he has labeled them dangerous is irrelevant, isn’t it? They are coming in anyway. Might as well place them where they will be accepted and embraced.

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Re: I’m basing my argument on the premise that his other


Apr 15, 2019, 4:38 PM

If Trump honestly believes them to be dangerous then he is acting like a child and putting people in danger. If he doesn't believe they are dangerous then he has been lying.

Basically, our president is either a vindictive ### who is OK with people getting raped and murdered just to prove his point or he is a lying sack of crap who is labeling a group in order to promote fear in his base.

Not a great look either way.


Are they here illegally? Sure, and they shouldn’t be but at the same time MOST of the people crying about them being here wouldn’t do most of those jobs and then would whine incessantly about the cost of various foods and products without them.

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Good grief. It’s like talking to a brick wall.


Apr 15, 2019, 5:59 PM

Is there a meeting you guys attend? A talking points memo?

“Remember: today’s spin is ‘Trump is either endangering Americans or hasn’t thought Illegal Aliens were a threat all along.’ If confronted with other viewpoints, continue to repeat this until the other person gives up.”

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Re: Good grief. It’s like talking to a brick wall.


Apr 15, 2019, 7:51 PM

No, no meeting. Just a logical conclusion based on available evidence.

He is a shady, petty, vindictive person whose ego is easily bruised and has been caught multiple times cheating and lying. Whether it be from not paying people that worked for him or the many, many, many, many lawsuits he files and affairs he has, he has shown us what kind of person he is repeatedly.

Just as a few examples.
- Sued an author of a book for 5 billion dollars because he wrote that Trump was only worth 150-250 million.
- Sued a Miss America pageant contestant in her early 20s for 5 million dollars after she said she thought the results were rigged on a Facebook post. That was a few days after he called her ugly on Twitter.
- Had his dad buy 3.5 million in chips at his failing casino that were never cashed in. Basically, an illegal loan to bail him out.
- Sued the law firm that used to work with him for 5 million because they had links to articles about him on their web site. Turns out he owed them around $500,000 in unpaid bills.
- How about when he sued Edmond Trump because the man dared to use his last name in his business, “The Trump Group”.
- The dumpster fire that was Trump University

Based on who he seems to be and how he has acted in the past, the most likely scenario is, he is doing this out of revenge.

That just leaves his beliefs.

If he thinks these people are dangerous and he is putting them in specific cities he disagrees with, knowing that people are going to be raped and murdered than he is a POS.

If he has been lying this whole time for political game but is putting them in specific cities just to be petty and make them deal with it than he is still doing it out of pettiness and revenge making him a smaller POS then being down for murder but a POS nonetheless.

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It's amazing...


Apr 16, 2019, 9:42 AM

How some folks think this man suddenly has sound, intelligent, well-intended decision making aimed at altruistic means for our nation when during his whole pre-presidential life, he left a wake of vengeful lawsuits, lies and infidelity, fake entertainment showmanship, and floundering business scams.

Suddenly, now that he's president, so many people think he's actually taking honest, altruistic approaches for the good of the country and not to settle personal vendettas.

I mean, I dunno. P.T. Barnum would be proud.

He was a garbage candidate who beat another garbage candidate. He's a narcissist who exhibits sociopathic behavior, and he did this long before he was president. I fail to see how folks think something has changed.

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Holy...are you talking about me?***


Apr 16, 2019, 12:08 PM



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Nah.


Apr 16, 2019, 2:23 PM

But I hope you do realize that there is a very little chance Trump does or says anything with the intention of bettering America.

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Well, are you going to address that point?***


Apr 16, 2019, 8:41 AM [ in reply to Good grief. It’s like talking to a brick wall. ]



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What did I not address?


Apr 16, 2019, 10:30 AM

https://www.tigernet.com/forum/message/Im-basing-my-argument-on-the-premise-that-his-other-25331259#25331259

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Catch 22...


Apr 15, 2019, 3:06 PM [ in reply to It very much is. ]

If he keeps them detained, the left cries he's inhumane.

If he releases them to sanctuary cities, the left cries he's a hypocrite and should keep them locked up.

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So you think those are the only two options?***


Apr 15, 2019, 3:09 PM



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What options is he ignoring?***


Apr 15, 2019, 4:17 PM



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the let the illegals in the country


Apr 15, 2019, 4:27 PM

and they can go wherever they want option

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Hold on...


Apr 16, 2019, 8:22 AM [ in reply to What options is he ignoring?*** ]

Before I answer that, do YOU actually think those are the only two options?

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Does it matter what I think to answer the question?***


Apr 16, 2019, 10:45 AM



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Re: Does it matter what I think to answer the question?***


Apr 16, 2019, 2:24 PM

Well, yeah, because I would put you in the camp of people who would know that there other options than just these two, so that's why it puzzled me you would ask. So do you believe those are the only two or do you think there are more? If it's the latter, what's the point in me answering your question?

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I would be surprised if there were not other options but I


Apr 16, 2019, 2:36 PM

just don’t have the energy to dive deeply into the issue. I know broadly that Trump is staunchly opposed to illegal immigration, that he considers illegal immigrants to be a physical risk to Americans, that he has tried many maneuvers to limit the illegal immigration problem and that the majority of them, if not all of them, have come under intense judicial or political push-back. You forget because I play devil’s advocate a good bit and want to look at the situation with clear eyes...but Trump ain’t my guy. I only have so much energy to devote to defending him. So that’s why when you throw out there that there are more options, I’d like to understand where the fight stands from someone who might be a bit better informed.

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He's so opposed that he married one***


Apr 16, 2019, 2:41 PM



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This isn't about race nor is it about Mexicans or...


Apr 15, 2019, 2:27 PM

South American brown people. It doesn't matter if the people crossing the border illegally are black, white, yellow or brown. It matters that they are illegally crossing the border.

You can keep spreading your lies and racebaiting to the end of this but eventually you will see the results of millions more border hoppers loading into America unvetted.

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Re: This isn't about race nor is it about Mexicans or...


Apr 15, 2019, 2:37 PM

No it’s about Trump and his ilk pushing the false narrative that these people coming across are criminals when in fact they are mostly just human beings seeking a better life.

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Trump isn't and hasn't said all these people are...


Apr 15, 2019, 3:05 PM

drug smugglers, human traffickers and criminals. That's a lie. You probably don't know it's a lie but it is a lie. He's saying they are coming in such vast numbers, avoiding filing the proper paperwork in their country of origin or in our embassy in Mexico and we have to turn the loose on American soil by law without getting a chance to vet them.

vet (verb); vets; vetted; vetting. 1. To make a prior examination and critical analysis, or detailed evaluation, of a document, a line of action regarding someone or people, etc.: If something is vetted, it is checked carefully to make sure that it meets the requirements that government officials have established.

Typically we vet all immigrants who can be vetted. This isn't happening and you, I nor anyone else knows what percentage are undesirables.

Stop saying things which are untrue. No one on Tnet has claimed they are mostly criminals. I haven't heard that on Fox News, from the Whitehouse press representative nor the POTUS. It's a lie.

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Re: Trump isn't and hasn't said all these people are...


Apr 15, 2019, 4:14 PM

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

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Re: Trump isn't and hasn't said all these people are...


Apr 15, 2019, 4:44 PM

See, you proved his point. He just said MOST of them are subhuman, drug dealing, dirt bag, murdering rapist, not all of them. Nothing racist about that at all.

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That's honest.


Apr 15, 2019, 7:48 PM [ in reply to Re: Trump isn't and hasn't said all these people are... ]

Without knowing them we can't know whether or not they are criminals. Imo, it's better to turn a thousand 'good people,' away to keep one murderer, rapist or child molester in. You don't risk damage to someone we know is innocent on a roll of dice. One terrorist can murder in the name of Allah and one child molester can destroy the lives of dozens of our children.

Anyone who thinks politics is more important that our wives, sisters, sons and daughters has let politics corrupt his moral obligation to the innocent. The Holy Scripture says that a man who won't provide for his own is less than an infidel. The happenstance is that those who are pushing for immigration with no safety controls over who enters are infidels to start with.

When people start calling wrong right and right wrong it's a sure sign of godlessness.

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I don't stop caring about people at the border. Would Jesus?


Apr 16, 2019, 10:07 AM

Aren't the overwhelming majority of these "illegals" Christians, by the way?

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In 2016, 28% of asylum seekers who went through the process


Apr 15, 2019, 3:08 PM

were actually granted asylum. This means - according to US judges - 72% of them didn't have a legitimate claim.

So - many of these folks I'm sure would love to come to the US - but they aren't fleeing a hopeless, fearful place...or they would be let in.

As soon as we figure out how to feed the 17% of US school children who are hungry (when at home), then we should try to help these other folks.

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Apr 15, 2019, 4:25 PM

Imagine if the collective whole of illegal aliens turned their energy inward toward their own countries and focused on fixing their government.

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Apr 16, 2019, 7:27 AM

That's lauaghably naive. That said, they aren't our problem, or at least they shouldn't be.

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Never forget most of the Western US is stolen land


Apr 15, 2019, 4:54 PM

since 1848:



https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/04/11/mexicans-didnt-immigrate-to-america-weve-always-been-here/#3efd9e30245d

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Every piece of land on earth was stolen from someone.


Apr 15, 2019, 7:50 PM

Surely you have a more valid point.

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If it helps, I'll cut and paste here from the article


Apr 15, 2019, 8:35 PM

"A little history. In the early 1800s, with a passion for expansionism fueled by Manifest Destiny, the United States craved a passage to the Pacific Ocean -- and by extension, the shipping routes to Asia.

But Mexico inconveniently stood in the way, so the United States invaded. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ended the two-year Mexican-American War in 1848 and ceded present-day Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, and Wyoming to the United States.

The United States realized its "destiny" and secured its pathway to the Pacific. But it also inherited the hundreds of thousands of Native Americans and millions of Mexicans who had long lived on that land.

It was an immigration problem of the U.S. government's own making.

The U.S. Army responded to Native Americans with involuntary removals and reservations. From 1864 to 1866, nearly 10,000 Navajo and Apache people were forced to walk 450 miles to a camp in eastern New Mexico. The reservation didn't have adequate shelter or food. Over 2,300 Navajo and Apache died before the Army allowed survivors to move back home.

Dealing with the much larger group of Mexicans -- many of them landowners, office-holders, entrepreneurs, lawyers, bankers and members of the clergy -- was more complex. The government couldn't consign them to reservations.

Their customs, language, traditions, values, culture, food and communities all became part of who we are as a nation -- whether the U.S. government liked it or not.

But the U.S. government still did its best to make its newest citizens foreigners in their own land and unwelcome in their own country. Congress passed the Homestead Act in 1862, allowing Americans to apply for Western land in exchange for farming on it -- taking land that belonged to Mexicans.

Later, during the Great Depression, the United States deported almost 2 million Mexicans. More than half of them were U.S. citizens."

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Also, read this one


Apr 15, 2019, 8:42 PM

https://outline.com/mxFD6Z

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You didn't study world history.


Apr 16, 2019, 7:23 AM

You should try a dose of western civ and take a look at the great wall of China. Besides that, if you're going to start giving back what every country took this ball of dirt is going to be a ball of...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmRsWdK0PRI

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Try commenting without the constant personal attacks***


Apr 16, 2019, 8:59 AM



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Understanding world history makes one sound as if he...


Apr 16, 2019, 9:33 AM

knows what he's talking about regarding who originally held the lands which all countries now define as their borders. Those who have studied history have a valid view while those who do not are subject to hyperbole.

Each person who wishes to discuss origins of one country could put their opinion in proper and valid perspective by reviewing the origins of all countries.

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Re: You didn't study world history.


Apr 16, 2019, 9:03 AM [ in reply to You didn't study world history. ]

Are you as well-versed in world history as you are in fire science?

You love to claim intellectual superiority and then run when shown evidence that your assumption was wrong. To be fair, though, it's not just you. Several Republicans here do the same thing.

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I am not aware of a field of study called 'fire science.'


Apr 16, 2019, 9:39 AM

I am fully versed in statics and strength of materials from studying the engineering functions of such at Clemson University during my years in the Art and Architecture construction science program.

Son, I ignore your ignorance when I have something more entertaining to do.

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This isn't about race. I don't want Polish, Slovak, Italian,


Apr 16, 2019, 1:30 AM

Or any other people coming here illegally. Unfortunately most of those folks from those countries come here legally. We are not getting central America's doctors lawyers and Indian chiefs. We are getting their poorest and everything that comes along with that. Heck, Canada or any other country wouldn't want the poorest from the US going there either.

They are being allowed in out of economic necessity. And I'm talking about us, not them.

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I don't believe economic necessity is the only reason.


Apr 16, 2019, 7:26 AM

I think there are two reasons. The employers want to keep labor wages low, I believe that. I also believe the dems are wanting to continue placing them in red states to grow their voters in geographical locations they can't presently control.

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Re: I don't believe economic necessity is the only reason.


Apr 16, 2019, 8:46 AM


dems are wanting to continue placing them in red states to grow their voters in geographical locations they can't presently control.


Link to some sort of evidence that this is currently happening?

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I said, 'I believe.'


Apr 16, 2019, 9:42 AM

That's from a process of elimination. Since California doesn't want the illegals brought there and most sanctuary cities are whining like children cutting teeth it's pretty clear they want expect the illegals to be placed elsewhere.

Why do you think they aren't accepting illegals without complaining?

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Re: Conservative Media and our President are doing a dangerously


Apr 16, 2019, 7:40 AM


good job of painting illegal immigrants as horrible job stealing, ######, murdering, criminals. When the fact of the matter is, most of these immigrant's only crime is coming into the country illegally to escape certain death for them and their kids.

After reading through the mange dump thread, it's crazy that we would push this ideology against a race of people in 2019.

What the administration is doing is very similar to how black people were displayed pre 1960's.

But they can't do that to black people now because of all of the protection there.

However, Jose the brown person who just came in the country with his kids escaping a cartel hell hole doesn't have that kind of protection. So let's turn racists against him.


What race is "illegal immigrant"?

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Mexican, according to Trump***


Apr 16, 2019, 8:57 AM



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Yeah but which Mexico?***


Apr 16, 2019, 9:22 AM



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I like your funny words magic man


Re: Yeah but which Mexico?***


Apr 16, 2019, 9:24 AM

The third one, duh

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A great majority of illegals crossing the southern border...


Apr 16, 2019, 9:48 AM [ in reply to Mexican, according to Trump*** ]

are not Mexicans.

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I'm aware. I also suspect we all know people who refer to


Apr 16, 2019, 9:59 AM

all of them as "Mexicans," though.

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No, we don't know that.


Apr 16, 2019, 10:15 AM

You're the first one to confuse the origins of the majority of illegals crossing out southern border. With Trump being in direct contact with border patrol and haven't given warnings about caravans coming from South America as long ago as three months I think he's well aware of where they come from.

You've posed a strawman. Is this a first for you?

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Wait, what? "A great majority"? I missed that earlier, but


Apr 16, 2019, 10:14 AM [ in reply to A great majority of illegals crossing the southern border... ]

I don't think it's correct..



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You missed the news and a the date on that chart.


Apr 16, 2019, 10:20 AM

The date on that chart is 2017. 2019-2017=2. It was nearly two years old. You also missed the news since that's where the TV cameras' films of the many caravans have been shown this year.

I appreciate you want to confound everything I say but you're starting to behave like CU17 when you respond to others with contradictions without consideration the accuracy of what you're posting.

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Re: You missed the news and a the date on that chart.


Apr 16, 2019, 10:33 AM

Lol. I've posted total trashings of you twice in the last day and you run away like a toddler. Grow a pair. Be a man and reply when someone posts evidence that contradicts what you posted.

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Re: You missed the news and a the date on that chart.


Apr 16, 2019, 10:36 AM

This should go well.

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So something you saw on TV > actual numbers from DHS?***


Apr 16, 2019, 10:34 AM [ in reply to You missed the news and a the date on that chart. ]



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You're missing the point FBCoachSC®


Apr 16, 2019, 10:30 AM

If Trump and Fox News tells them to hate somebody, they're going to hate somebody...and rationalize it later.

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I have to admit it's a brilliant plan by the Dems


Apr 16, 2019, 10:42 AM

1) Be godless infidels

2) Allow millions of devout Christians to immigrate to the United States

3) ???

4) WINNING!

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