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The socialist here seem to think
Nov 2, 2018, 11:51 AM
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The boomers will die and younger generations will all agree to share wealth. That is funny as it goes against all expected human norms. When boomers die a lot will leave large inheritances, not so sure the folks with new found wealth will ready to give it up for the collective.
For those caring,committed socialists I have several questions and it is as relevant today as when i first asked my liberal sociology professor it in 1991. Do you now donate 50% of your earnings to the collective? By this I mean after taxes donate the rest up to 50% of gross pay. If not why? Not a true believer? Heck, since you think the govt. is great at spending money you could even send it to them, right? In the end I am sure the answer will be the same, a resounding NO. Seems most of socialists are only committed if they can force all folks to do it.
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Re: The socialist here seem to think
Nov 2, 2018, 11:54 AM
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Re: The socialist here seem to think
Nov 2, 2018, 11:59 AM
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Re: The socialist here seem to think
Nov 2, 2018, 4:58 PM
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Well, if you were not joking bout living in a trailer and being unemployed I can see your concern. Having to stand on your own 2 feet might prove fatal for you.
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Re: The socialist here seem to think
Nov 2, 2018, 12:00 PM
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Only policy can dictate wealth distribution, not some gentleman's agreement. And if you are OK with a handful of families having more wealth than the bottom half of this country, then the only logical assumption is that you are in the 1%, because if you are not it would seem foolish argue against wealth redistribution that favors your interests.
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Re: The socialist here seem to think
Nov 2, 2018, 12:28 PM
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No Balm, that in incorrect. Reality is that if you were a true believer you would live the talk and not spout dookie. Man up and donate the rest up to 50% to make other peoples lives better . Today, starting now you could be the person that makes a change In a family’s living standards or education by your donation. Nothing is stopping you right?
It is not in my or your interests to be taxed at a rate for the proposals of the “free” crowd. But hey, I do hope I will be around to see you guys cry when the bill comes due if your dream comes to reality. The “rich” cannot come close to funding this pipe dream alone and the burden will be across all economic groups. Remember , well off folks can leave and done correctly largely avoid the exit taxes when surrendering Citizenship. Conversion from a fiat currency in to hard assets such as gold, silver, platinum with physical possession eliminates that pesky problem of the govt. knowing what one may own.
My status was gained by my own 2 hands and the sweat off my cod sack .Since I only really signed up to take care of me and mine , I would say you and yours are not my concern. Harsh? Cold? Nope just being a realist.
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Re: The socialist here seem to think
Nov 2, 2018, 12:32 PM
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Almost guarantee balm doesn’t give even 10% of his earnings to charity. Little alone 20/30/40%
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Re: The socialist here seem to think
Nov 2, 2018, 2:36 PM
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you sound like a crazy person and have based your entire argument off of a straw man theory and a bunch of Hyperbole. it is like you are chasing your own tail.
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Re: The socialist here seem to think
Nov 2, 2018, 4:11 PM
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Poor Balm, you routinely call for an EU style system of taxation yet are unwilling to walk the talk by not donating money to some group , charity or family if not forced. That is the point , here I will go right to the root of the issue. You are a typical liberal hypocrite. I would respect your position if you actually ever said you did this but sadly I have not read it.
I will tell you straight up I want to pay the least in income taxes I can possibly pay. Taxing income is a progressive idea, I favor either a flat rate for all or a VAT. My choice would be eliminate all income tax and make it point of sale taxation. Then is also captures cash jobs, illegal money and all have a portion of skin the the greatest game of having the govt. take your money. Maybe then everyone would clamor for better government as they would feel the bite of the tax man. Tough to row a boat when only a bit better than 1/2 are moving an oar.
I was also cutting you a 13% discount too as in the EU typically 63% of each unit of currency earned is taken in some form of tax/fee. This is from income tax, VAT of 13%-28% depending upon good or service purchased a huge gas tax. You think they refine magic oil to get $6 gas? Old Bernie points to Norway as his ideal. Norway has all these taxes but also has the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world to help fund stuff at $1 Trillion. Norway also has a population that is just a bit more than the Stae of South Carolina.
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Your “Vote your interests” routine has always troubled me.
Nov 2, 2018, 12:46 PM
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First, it reads like people should vote for whomever uses government force to give them the most stuff.
Second, it implies that America is a caste system. That someone making $40,000 a year can’t value free markets, Independence and small government as they strive to do better.
Third, it seems odd that people would vote their interests to get more free stuff but not keep a president in office that has unemployment at 3.7%. Isn’t it in our interests to keep this train a rolling?
Finally, it aligns my interests of “doing the best I can” with “making sure that other people aren’t too wealthy relative to me”. How does it hurt me that Warren Buffet is loaded?
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Re: Your “Vote your interests” routine has always troubled me.
Nov 2, 2018, 12:48 PM
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It hurts you because wealth inequality causes social unrest. It always has and it always will.
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Illegal immigrants take jobs, and lower the wages
Nov 2, 2018, 1:16 PM
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of the bottom 50%, and your beloved middle class. Why do you want them here? Free trade also sends the jobs the middle class had overseas. I'd argue Trump is attacking the two biggest factors impacting wage growth and wealth inequality in America.
Lemme see. Seemed to get a pretty good economic report today. Saw WAGES rose the most in 10 years. Unemployment fell even further. Manufacturing added a lot of jobs and total jobs added were higher than expected.
Now.....without knowing a ###### thing about the stock market today.....
Yep. -256. Look at that. The top 1% have lost billions, just today.
Psst. Billions they never really had.
Wages rise across the board. Manufacturing increases. Jobs increase. Inflation ticks up. Interest rates tick up. And the top 1% tick down. You should be loving this.
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So you are saying they won't support a retroactive
Nov 2, 2018, 12:26 PM
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estate tax at some hypothetical point in the future when they have inherited wealth?
Okay
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Re: So you are saying they won't support a retroactive
Nov 2, 2018, 12:30 PM
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No, since that cannot be enacted in reality. I am saying they will lose interest in paying ever higher rates of taxation to support the collective. Things, ideas and feelings change when one moves to a different level of wealth.
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but we're talking inherited wealth...
Nov 2, 2018, 12:35 PM
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which they will pay very little on in estate taxes, given the current state of estate taxes, and very little on in capital gains taxes. And some of them might actually agree that it's not that large a cost to pay. Some may not.
And your hypothetical is ridiculous. An individual donating all of their money to the "collective" as you term it, is useless if one believes in socialism. It has to be collective action.
And almost no one I have ever met is actually a socialist, they simply favor higher taxes on people like themselves to benefit others. They still live 10000 times better than the recipients and count their blessings.
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Re: but we're talking inherited wealth...
Nov 2, 2018, 3:52 PM
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Most will want to keep it, 90% or better. Just human nature, as one moves to a different strata economically their thoughts change. Inheritance tax is just a slimy way to steal a persons lifetime of work.
I have yet to see anyone that wants higher taxes on themselves outside the absurdly rich. Especially the so called $250k a year rich.
I never said donate the money above taxes to the collective, I meant to any group, charity or individual family. Money put to action right? In truth I chose collective as Balm seems to want it for all to do better, hence collective. Plus I knew it would confuse many. I do not care where you send it but at least walk the dang talk.
I could go out today and feed thousands, money would be gone and they would still be hungry tomorrow. We do not have a tax issue we have an issue with far too many people that thinking simply because they breathe they are owed . Till we understand life choices make or break most peoples lives we will continue to toss good money in the fire pit.
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I made a lot of bad life choices over time...
Nov 2, 2018, 4:19 PM
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pretty sure it was being born to the parents that I was born to that kept me from falling off the cliff a few times. Pretending that doesn't impact almost everyone to some degree is pretty arrogant.
Look at Trump, absent his dad leaving him millions of dollars, no way he's president now.
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Re: I made a lot of bad life choices over time...
Nov 2, 2018, 5:50 PM
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Glad things worked out but it still remains poor life choices equal poor life outcomes. Just saying that for most it is never overcome. Arrogance has nothing to do with it, it is simple statistics. Have I made poor choices, yup but the thing is I only needed myself to pull me up and on the path again. Not a dang village and other peoples money. Big difference would you not agree?
DO some folks have a leg up at birth? Certainly, would never deny that either. Not sure what point you are trying to make with it though. My kids benefited from whom they were born to, it allowed Private Boarding Schools during HS and paid in full University degrees. They are both successful and debt free.
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Re: I made a lot of bad life choices over time...
Nov 3, 2018, 2:05 AM
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I thought it was 1 million loaned to Trump by his father. Now it's millions.
Regardless, Trump did more with it than 99.9% of the rest of the population would. Look at lottery winners. Then theres the old adage, nothing is squandered quicker than inherited money
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If not a socialist, do I still get to be a mobster? I like
Nov 2, 2018, 12:38 PM
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the mobster suits and hats .... baggy pinstripes with a hat tilted down over one eye and a good looking red head on one arm.
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Any socialists in here?
Nov 2, 2018, 12:58 PM
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Either they hide real well or you don't know what the term actually means.
Collective? You mean like the plate that's sent around every sunday in church?
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Re: Any socialists in here?
Nov 2, 2018, 3:54 PM
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Nope, the collective of all Citizens.
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No waaaay maaan. It's gonna be like Star Trek duuuuude
Nov 2, 2018, 1:06 PM
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All the millennials will work for free for the collective good of the federation. There will be no money. People will shovel sheet and others will be professional beer tasters and everyone will get along.
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Re: No waaaay maaan. It's gonna be like Star Trek duuuuude
Nov 2, 2018, 7:19 PM
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Bet they sit around and sing Kumbaya too!
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Mark Petroski?***
Nov 2, 2018, 2:23 PM
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All you need to know about socialist democrats
Nov 3, 2018, 7:37 AM
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They call Americans "Deplorables" and illegal immigrants "Dreamers".
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