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Orange Blooded [4023]
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How did we overrate Russia like we did?
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Mar 31, 2024, 4:54 PM
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It's been 2 years since Russia invaded Ukraine. Who originally thought that Ukraine would last more than 2 weeks, much less 2 years. Who would have thought that Putin would get tea bagged via proxy by Brandon? Who would have thought that Putin would have to beg for help from Iran and NKorea? LOL. We have learned in the last 2 years that the Russian air force is dogchit. We have learned that their armor forces suck. Their Navy is getting pwned by a country that I don't think even has a navy. Why did we not realize how much the Russian military sucks before this conflict began?
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pry the same way you overrated Biden***
Mar 31, 2024, 5:05 PM
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Re: pry the same way you overrated Biden***
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Mar 31, 2024, 5:36 PM
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Biden isn't overrated. People are stopping Trump, your cult leader that you overrate.
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Re: pry the same way you overrated Biden***
Mar 31, 2024, 8:49 PM
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Biden isn't overrated. People are stopping Trump, your cult leader that you overrate.
Said by a man who thinks Biden knows what he is doing
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Re: pry the same way you overrated Biden***
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Apr 1, 2024, 9:35 AM
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I know Trump had no idea what he was doing and it will be even worse than next round for obvious reasons. He won't have quality people around him.
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Re: pry the same way you overrated Biden***
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Mar 31, 2024, 6:48 PM
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He literally beat Trump lmao. Listen again, the absolute Moron biden beat trump. Hilarious
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Russia has nukes... A LOT of them
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Mar 31, 2024, 5:53 PM
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at least we think they do.. Can't really overrate anyone when that have that in their arsenal.
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Re: Russia has nukes... A LOT of them
Mar 31, 2024, 6:14 PM
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Yes, they have nukes. But their conventional military sucks. I think we all missed on that one, especially how pathetic their Air Force is.
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Why do Trump, Mike Johnson and so many Republicans want Ukraine to lose?
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Mar 31, 2024, 6:00 PM
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It just seems so oddly disconnected from reality and the history of the Republican Party.
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Re: Why do Trump, Mike Johnson and so many Republicans want Ukraine to lose?
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Mar 31, 2024, 6:34 PM
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birm says they dont need any help and i agree
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Re: Why do Trump, Mike Johnson and so many Republicans want Ukraine to lose?
Mar 31, 2024, 9:12 PM
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Exactly, if they suck so bad why are we sending so much aide? If they are no good why is NATO acting like they are gonna conquer Europe?
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Re: How did we overrate Russia like we did?
Mar 31, 2024, 6:21 PM
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Well when you look at them on paper they have an impressive military from purely a numbers perspective. However it's now obvious they have poor military leadership and the training of their troops is subpar. In short their military is less than the sum of its parts which would be difficult to discern without an actual shooting war to expose it to the sunlight.
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Re: How did we overrate Russia like we did?
Mar 31, 2024, 6:30 PM
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I think we underestimated Ukraine.
Mar 31, 2024, 6:39 PM
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Overestimated Russia, and underestimated how much money we can throw into a proxy war.
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and still get an amazing return on that investment in the proxy war
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Mar 31, 2024, 6:41 PM
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considering what it's done to Russia's ability to wage war and be an international threat. Why some would want to end that investment and allow Russia to regroup is...questionable.
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That seems so obvious. So obvious that MAGA Republicans see it too.
Mar 31, 2024, 6:55 PM
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But, for some reason, they do not want Ukraine to win.
What is their motivation?
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Re: That seems so obvious. So obvious that MAGA Republicans see it too.
Mar 31, 2024, 7:02 PM
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give us the plan for ukraine to win and how much does it cost
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Re: That seems so obvious. So obvious that MAGA Republicans see it too.
Mar 31, 2024, 7:06 PM
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100's of billions more.
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Putin bet on Trump's leadership to kill funding for Ukraine and he's getting it.
Mar 31, 2024, 7:27 PM
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Russia's economy is about the same as Texas'. The economies of the US, UK, Europe, Japan, India, etc. are far larger than that of Russia. Generous funding from the US, UK and Europe et. al. ensures the best possible outcome. Russia just called up another 150,000 people. Russia's people don't have unlimited enthusiasm for an unjust war.
Cutting off funding for Ukraine is the obvious loser. It's the only way Putin could win.
Now, Mr. Chamberlain, if you could share your plan for appeasement.
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Re: Putin bet on Trump's leadership to kill funding for Ukraine and he's getting it.
Mar 31, 2024, 7:32 PM
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how does ukraine win and how much does that cost
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Re: Putin bet on Trump's leadership to kill funding for Ukraine and he's getting it.
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Mar 31, 2024, 8:56 PM
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What kind of ludicrous question is that? Nobody knows that answer. Nobody on Earth.
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Re: Putin bet on Trump's leadership to kill funding for Ukraine and he's getting it.
Mar 31, 2024, 8:56 PM
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Russia's economy is about the same as Texas'. The economies of the US, UK, Europe, Japan, India, etc. are far larger than that of Russia. Generous funding from the US, UK and Europe et. al. ensures the best possible outcome. Russia just called up another 150,000 people. Russia's people don't have unlimited enthusiasm for an unjust war.
Cutting off funding for Ukraine is the obvious loser. It's the only way Putin could win.
Now, Mr. Chamberlain, if you could share your plan for appeasement.
“Russia’s people don’t have unlimited enthusiasm for an unjust war.” Yes I want Ukraine to win but that statement is one of the dumbest statements that a person could make, you do not understand Russian culture and they do not think it is an unjust war. Russia does not care if they lose millions of men, they will stay in this war. You need to understand your enemy or you can be like Napoleon or Hitler and misunderstand their culture.
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That is completely false.***
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Apr 1, 2024, 9:32 AM
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Statements like Lovefootball's are insane
Apr 1, 2024, 3:52 PM
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....just shows how many people are ignorant of history and the current realities in Russia.
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Re: That seems so obvious. So obvious that MAGA Republicans see it too.
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Mar 31, 2024, 7:09 PM
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give us a plan to defeat russia and how much would that cost
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You wouldnt care about either part of that question
Mar 31, 2024, 7:31 PM
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if Trump supported Ukraine.
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Re: What is your plan for appeasement?***
Mar 31, 2024, 7:34 PM
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stop funding both sides first
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That's quite a plan, Mr. Chamberlain.***
Mar 31, 2024, 7:36 PM
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Re: That's quite a plan, Mr. Chamberlain.***
Mar 31, 2024, 7:37 PM
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you still have not given a dollar estimate for a ukraine win
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I don't know the answer to that question. I find wars to be unpredictable.
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Mar 31, 2024, 7:51 PM
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However, everyone understands that cutting off funding only serves to undercut Ukraine and ensure a loss to Putin, which seems to be what you Trump and MAGA nation prefer. What everyone is trying to understand is why? The Western World, as I pointed out, has a huge financial and weapons advantage over Russian. Having a predictable fixed dollar amount budget item for a war of Russian aggression seems like an oddly impossible hurdle for US support. Maybe that's the point. Start with an outcome and work back from there.
Now, Mr. Chamberlain, it's time for you to share YOUR plan for appeasement and where you think Putin stops his aggression.
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Re: I don't know the answer to that question. I find wars to be unpredictable.
Mar 31, 2024, 7:58 PM
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one trillion two trillion?
ukraine is running out of soldiers, how do you fix that?
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Re: I don't know the answer to that question. I find wars to be unpredictable.
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Mar 31, 2024, 8:04 PM
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They are? Is this like when afghanistan (same population size) was going to run out of soldiers when Russia invaded them? What happened?
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Wait, I was told their army commercials looked fierce.
Mar 31, 2024, 6:41 PM
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You’re telling me that’s not true?
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Re: How did we overrate Russia like we did?
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Mar 31, 2024, 8:33 PM
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Birmingham, this is a good question.
Russia has shown themselves to be a paper tiger. I guess we shouldn't have been this surprised, but they haven't been in a protracted land war like this since 1945.
Russia is now basically an organized-crime family type of country. They're like the mafia plus an army. And when you have a country built around organized crime, it tends to erode institutions like the military, as well as any other institution that requires discipline, efficiency, and some code of honor rooted in rules and law.
So, considering all of that, maybe we shouldn't have been so surprised.
This makes it all the more important to support Ukraine to either kick Russia out of their country, and at least take back most of what they've lost.
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LOL***
Mar 31, 2024, 9:09 PM
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Re: How did we overrate Russia like we did?
Mar 31, 2024, 9:11 PM
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I know right? And for some reason NATO is acting like that same over estimated military will march on all of Europe if we don’t keep supporting Ukraine. It’s wild.
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No, not all of Europe....
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Mar 31, 2024, 9:15 PM
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But they could invade and overrun smaller countries in Eastern Europe in the Baltics, and potentially countries like Poland. No one expects them to turn all of Europe into a parking lot. But they are a threat to many countries in Eastern & Central Europe. They are likely to overrun Moldova after Ukraine, and then are a threat to other countries in that area.
If we defeat them in Ukraine, then their chances of invading & conquering another sovereign nation goes waaaay down.
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Re: No, not all of Europe....
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Mar 31, 2024, 9:17 PM
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That shouldn't even have to be explained. On that note, it wouldn't matter how straightforward the reasoning, their cult leader likes Putin and that is all they need to know.
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Re: No, not all of Europe....
Apr 1, 2024, 8:41 AM
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They could have. Not now though, like Birm said everyone over estimated them and everyone realizes that now. I supported funding Ukraine in the beginning. Not now. What’s the ultimate goal now? Russia is weaker than we thought but I still don’t think Ukraine is going to fully defeat them. Why continue funding a never ending war? Ukraine is not an ally. If we get involved with boots in the ground that could trigger WW3. I’m just trying to understand the end game here.
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The end game....
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Apr 1, 2024, 10:37 AM
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is to defeat Russia in Ukraine so that they don't have the ability to then invade another country. That's the end game. If we pull our funding out, then we are going to see Russia over-run all of Ukraine. Then, they will overrun Moldova. And at that point, they have any number of targets in Eastern & Central Europe. Putin has lately been talking repeatedly about Poland, and the Baltics. Do we really want a victorious Putin with the chance to leapfrog to yet another country in Europe?
So, I think this is money well-spent. It would be tragic for the US to pull the rug out from under Ukraine. It would be tragic for the people of Ukraine. And it would also keep us pinned down in the future, as Putin won't just stop with Ukraine.
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Re: How did we overrate Russia like we did?
Mar 31, 2024, 9:15 PM
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What is confusing you there? If Ukraine wasn't funded with aid by the USA and Europe they would already be toast.
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