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Couple simple troofs….
Aug 25, 2021, 12:54 PM
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Hmmmm…..
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Replace federal gov with oligarchs
Aug 25, 2021, 12:57 PM
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and you’ll have it right. You’re being played, hard.
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^^^sucking gubmint teet w/ FBcooch^^^***
Aug 25, 2021, 12:59 PM
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You’ve licked the leather off both boots.***
Aug 25, 2021, 1:00 PM
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Nah, fam. You're gonna have to go a little further up the
Aug 25, 2021, 1:03 PM
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ladder to figure out who's pulling the strings. Government in and of itself isn't inherently evil. Ours in particular is controlled by the ultra-wealthy, who aren't necessarily evil either, but they ARE self-serving, just like the rest of us.
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Most of the Orwellian stuff, I'd argue...
Aug 25, 2021, 2:34 PM
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Has been self-inflicted by citizens willing to give up privacy to the government as opposed to downright oppression. We also still have a powerful free market, which was non-existent in 1984 and something many of the people who cite 1984 fail to note.
One issue I have with supposed conservatives championing 1984 (not talking about you, Bengal, just speaking in general) when they haven't actually read or understood the book is how quickly they forgot that they also supported these terrible concepts employed by Big Brother in the novel:
-Our government and military torturing suspects. -Endless, pointless war. -The complete decimation of the reputations and careers of people who spoke out against Republican presidencies and war efforts. -Bush and Obama era NSA spying campaigns on ordinary citizens, and how they wanted Edward Snowden executed for blowing the lid off it. -Blindly reciting government talking points in the "war on terror". -Censorship.
And that's just naming a few.
All of these tactics and behaviors are reminiscent of the story, and anyone who supported or still supported them can't start tossing around 1984-esque comparisons just because Tucker Carlson said so.
Just simple observations from a man who has read the novel. I'll loan a copy to CUinTulsa when he finally wants to read it.
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These bones have been picked over
Aug 25, 2021, 3:24 PM
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It's not 2003 anymore, and even if it were, so much of that is exaggerated. It's ridiculous that people still want Edward Snowden to be pardoned. Then again, people who say we're living in the world of 1984 are almost always exaggerating.
Orwell wasn't really all the prescient when it comes to today's world, and that's at least partly because he was writing about political conditions that have largely passed away. Sure, the same dangerous human motivations are still there, but the history that Orwell was part of really did "die," as Fukuyama suggested. While I don't think Huxley was any more prescient in terms of predicting anything specifically, his more philosophical Brave New World is much more relevant to us now, I'd argue.
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Re: These bones have been picked over
Aug 25, 2021, 3:38 PM
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Then again, people who say we're living in the world of 1984 are almost always exaggerating.
I agree here, and also usually miscited as well, particularly on this board. Disagree on Snowden; he uncovered and exposed severe government wrongdoing and abuse.
Orwell wasn't really all the prescient when it comes to today's world, and that's at least partly because he was writing about political conditions that have largely passed away. Sure, the same dangerous human motivations are still there, but the history that Orwell was part of really did "die," as Fukuyama suggested. While I don't think Huxley was any more prescient in terms of predicting anything specifically, his more philosophical Brave New World is much more relevant to us now, I'd argue.
Agree that BNW is more relevant today. I still believe an Orwellian society can be achieved (and dare say some in power would crave it) if our society isn't careful, but he also described something very difficult to achieve as well. His warning was intentionally hyperbolic to ward off lesser examples.
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Snowden discovered nothing illegal...
Aug 25, 2021, 3:51 PM
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and, in fact, everything he discovered was authorized by Congress. What he did do was decide he didn't like things that were legally authorized, and usurped the law using the privileges he was entrusted with. He got people killed, and should at the very least be in jail. Maybe his permanent exile is good enough.
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Clapper and Co. perjured themselves under oath to Congress.
Aug 25, 2021, 7:47 PM
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He should be rotting in some jail somewhere.
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I'm not sure how...
Aug 25, 2021, 9:53 PM
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Anyone can argue monitoring every single American's private communications without their knowledge isn't un-Constitutional or illegal, regardless of what anyone dared to posit post 9/11.
This article does a poor job trying to defend Clapper, almost taking a simplistic "well, yeah, we know it's not great buuuuuuut... national security" take. It's also a surprisingly anti-conservative stance from the National Review.
The idea that the NSA collecting all our records somehow keeps us safer AND trying to convince us to simply trust them not to abuse this data collection is pretty naive at best, IMO. And if they expect us to just trust em with it, why did it have to be top secret?
When a supposedly free nation is privately cataloging every citizen's private records and then wants to try a man for treason when he reveals this to the public, we have a problem.
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Where's Billary's or maybe Epstein's...? Selective secrets.***
Aug 26, 2021, 12:16 AM
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We are each other's Big Brother.
Aug 25, 2021, 4:12 PM
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Everyone has a camera and video recorder on their person, along with homes and storefronts everywhere. Each of us is capable of recording and sharing private moments of others with breakneck speed, and many act on it. We are Big Brother, the Karens of the world, and we are Big Brother by choice, not by fiat.
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