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George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.
Nov 2, 2022, 11:33 PM
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I agree with him.
What do you guys think?
Please don’t respond by saying something critical about the Democratic Party to deflect or rationalize. I’m happy to talk about their problems in another thread (and they have many). But in THIS thread I’d like to keep it focused on the Republican Party. Thanks.
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Re: George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.
Nov 2, 2022, 11:49 PM
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Definitely. There is a sect of the Republican Party that has become a cult.
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Re: George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.
Nov 3, 2022, 12:35 AM
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Why do you think the Republican Party has become a cult?
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There is definitely a cultish aspect to the whole Trump
Nov 3, 2022, 12:42 AM
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thing. A lot of people are blindly loyal to him, for various reasons, but mainly I believe it's because he really is a powerful, charasmatic leader who backs down from no one, and gets things done. He is so good at that, in fact, that it blinds a lot of people to anything bad or crazy he may say or do, or at least it helps them rationalize it or minimize it. Trump knows this of course, and works it to his full advantage. So, the republican party is somewhat cultish to the extent it feels it needs Trump, and can't win without him or his approval.
Keep in mind, I voted for Trump twice, and always (almost) vote pub, but I don't consider myself a Republican, and I feel no allegience or strong connection to the party per se.
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Re: There is definitely a cultish aspect to the whole Trump
Nov 3, 2022, 7:45 AM
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I think you're pretty spot on with the slight exception of getting things done... that's hit or miss.
Many people crave a leader or some guiding light, and without going into an essay about it, Trump checked a lot of boxes with a segment of the population that felt left behind. It was easy for them to overlook that he wasn't really conservative nor a Christian nor that he didn't really care about them. He became an icon and a hero, and to them, an extension of themselves.
And I'm referencing the Trump loyalists, not the folks like yourself who held your nose and voted against two bad Dem candidates.
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Unfortunately, I think that's what American politics has
Nov 3, 2022, 8:07 AM
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come to for the vast majority - voting against something instead of for something.
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The weirdest bit that makes me think it's a cult...
Nov 3, 2022, 1:42 AM
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is the way they think of Trump. I think part of the interest people have in cults as a topic is how irrational the appeal of the cult leader often is. To those outside the cult, the leader is often so obviously just a strange, uncharismatic, and emasculated man that it becomes bizarre to see such devotion from his followers.
And I think you see that with Trump. He is the opposite of everything he and his followers think him to be. He's what a weak man believes a "strong" man should be and it's so utterly comical in its transparency and ridiculousness that it feels cultish. He was an inept President who couldn't get things done and was a coward with the thinnest skin who lashed out like a toddler (often with toddler-style retorts). I mean who draws on a weather map with a sharpie other than a child?
I think an argument could be made that the leadership in MAGA isn't so much cult-like, but grifters taking advantage of the cultist voters. It's why they'll run subpar candidates like Oz, Vance, or Walker because they know even to those republicans that see the ridiculousness of those candidates, they will still vote for them because it's party before country and they'll be "yes" votes to push the Republican party agenda (whatever that might be, they don't have a stated policy other than "trump" at this point).
The Democratic party isn't in great shape either, but they are like the typical adult/rational bad right now, not the irrational/toddler bad that is borderline un-democratic and un-American like what the Republican party seems to be morphing into. January 6th was the last chance I think for the Republicans to cut ties with the MAGA part of their party and instead, they've fully embraced it, kicked out or nerfed the more conservative republicans like Cheney/Romney and the Republican Party is now whatever MAGA and Trump represent.
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I'm no T-Rump fan, but things were most assuredly better
Nov 3, 2022, 2:06 AM
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during his administration than this neo-liberal fustercluck that's leading Biden around by his nose ring...
By the way, Cheney was a puppet to this same neo-liberal clan..
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That "puppet" voted with Trump 93% of the time...
Nov 3, 2022, 2:20 AM
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and was only ousted because she had the audacity to think January 6th was bad for the country and that those responsible should be held accountable.
But I thank you for serving as an example of what I'm talking about.
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To be honest, I was thinking of her father, not his spawn.
Nov 3, 2022, 2:31 AM
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J6 was bad for the country and the violents should be appropriately prosecuted.
To equate that minuscule faction of the party to the party as a whole is infantile, though they may share the same grievances.
By the way, I didn't vote for either. It's my way of protesting and has been since John Anderson. 'Divide and Conquer' may change that.
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Re: To be honest, I was thinking of her father, not his spawn.
Nov 3, 2022, 8:51 AM
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yes, I thought it was clear you were talking about her father
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Can I ask how you knew that?
Nov 3, 2022, 4:06 PM
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So I can avoid mistaking the Cheney that's been in the news regarding Trump for the last 2 years versus the VP that hasn't been in politics in more than a decade?
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Re: I'm no T-Rump fan, but things were most assuredly better
Nov 3, 2022, 5:25 AM
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It would not have been any better with him in office now in certain regards. Inflation and oil prices would have been issues no matter what. On the other hand, NATO would have been weakened and Trump would have been siding with Putin. A positive that would have happened with Trump is that he would have been tough on the border.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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what evidence?
Nov 3, 2022, 8:55 AM
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or you just have a gut feeling?
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Re: what evidence?
Nov 3, 2022, 1:41 PM
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Common sense looking at the global economy. Sorry to burst your bubble, bud. It's basic reality and his history on other issues. Just common sense.
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Re: what evidence?
Nov 3, 2022, 2:02 PM
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no need to apologize...still no evidence. Produce evidence and maybe my bubble will bust. "Common sense" and "history" is like dad saying, "because I said so."
1. Trump vs. Biden on energy independence...any differences? Does energy independence have anything to do with the price of crude domestic and abroad? Is there any political ramifications for OPEC? For Russia? For European countries?
2. Foreign policy? any difference? I know for libs, now that Biden is smooching everyone's butts again and people love us (BS) again, it's such a positive. But are there any differences in how Russia, North Korea, and China acting now as opposed to when Trump was there? Iran...what is coming back to trying to get this nuclear deal doing to our relationship with other countries in the Middle East? Did the way we left Afghanistan strike fear in the heart of Putin? Is that way Trump would have done it?
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Here's where you're dead wrong ...
Nov 3, 2022, 8:43 AM
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in my very humble opinion, of course, and it goes back to my point:
they will still vote for them because it's party before country.
That literally made me laugh out loud. Pub voters (just like dem voters) believe they are voting for their own interests, which reflect what they believe is best for the country. They have two choices, and they definitely feel that voting pub is better for the country than voting dem ... even when that means voting for somebody that is obviously terrible in your mind. In fact, many, perhaps most Trump voters hate the Republican party.
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I'm not sure voting straight line for either one is good for
Nov 3, 2022, 10:02 AM
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the country.
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I wish we had more choices too. Unfortunately, the way it's
Nov 3, 2022, 10:13 AM
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all set up, and without fundamental, massive changes, we will continue to only have two real choices.
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Re: George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.
Nov 3, 2022, 6:30 AM
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People that say things that silly shouldn't be taken seriously. "Pubs are a cult," is part of the most recent programming.
Message was edited by: p6fuller®
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Re: George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.***
Nov 3, 2022, 6:40 AM
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Re: George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.
Nov 3, 2022, 6:53 AM
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Pubs are not a cult. The MAGA movement is a cult at this stage. Probably half the people I know are Repubs, but the only ones that are cult like are these conspiracy driven MAGA ones. The others don't like Trump nor do they want him again. I have go a good buddy, went to UVA, very wealthy now, who sold everything in Charleston to move Delray Beach, FL. I asked him why and told me it's because it's closer to Trump. My buddy's conspiracy beliefs are never ending. I was blown away. I have another buddy who can't go anywhere without professing his love for Teump. He still wears the MAGA hat. He has a pretty nice place on the Intracoastal. Anyway, he has a life size cutout of Trump that stands in the middle of his family room. He is also a conspiracy guy. So many of these MAGA people are Q people as well. Repubs are not a cult, but MAGA people are at this stage. Their cult leader is Trump and they have been duped by a conman/fraud, just like how all cults work. There are people that think that Trump was sent by God for this task. There have been MAGA politicians that have stated just that as well. All that said, Trump is insane as well. He believes all the nutty conspiracy theories as well. MAGA is a cult.
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Re: George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.
Nov 3, 2022, 6:43 AM
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You post a backhanded insult and pretend you want serious dialogue. That’s been modeled well by your president who claims to want unity then proceeds to insult millions of hard working, law abiding citizens. You will hear from the “cult” next week.
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Both parties are cults.***
Nov 3, 2022, 6:46 AM
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Re: Both parties are cults.***
Nov 3, 2022, 6:49 AM
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Neither party is a cult. That's just one of those terms people use to be insulting and shouldn't be a part of any sort of serious political conversation.
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Yes, ideally in this thread we would stick to the topic
Nov 3, 2022, 1:15 PM
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at hand, which is the Republican Party.
As I said, I'm happy to talk about the Democratic Party in another thread. I think they have cult-like tendencies too.
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Re: Both parties are cults.***
Nov 3, 2022, 8:43 AM
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Just look at the inner cities.
Who do they vote for over and over expecting different results? I'd say they're closer to cult like behavior.
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Oh good grief... the Republican Party is NOT a cult
Nov 3, 2022, 7:17 AM
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What has happened and is continuing to happen in the Republican Party is a much needed reformation. People like to throw Trump out as a convenient and, quite frankly, intellectually lazy explanation for the changes occurring to the Republican Party. Trump could die tomorrow and the changes underway in the Republican Party would continue.
What George Will and his fellow elitist Republican Party Inc. adherents (Bush's, Cheney's, Kristol's, Romney's etc...) refuse to accept is that the rank file of Republican voters have had enough of the country club Republican intellectual elites and their special brand of faux conservatism. Here is just a small sample of why the rank and file Republican voters are changing the Republican Party away from the likes of the elitist Republican Party Inc. establishment:
1. Republican Party Inc. just loves to get the US involved in endless military conflicts all while accumulating tons of Government debt to pay their friends in the military industrial complex.
2. Republican Party Inc. has proven they will grow Government just as fast as the Democrats, spend as much as Democrats and show no interest in slowing down the Government surveillance state all under the dubious guise of public "safety".
3. Republican Party Inc. has an unhealthy God-like worship of "free trade" at all costs instead of a responsible commitment to fair trade. Furthermore, they have a go-along to get-along attitude when they know that foreign countries are gaming their "free trade" system that is ultimately screwing American workers.
4. Republican Party Inc. has an unwavering commitment to uni-Party Foreign Policies where the USA acts as the world's cop and piggy bank. For example, the idea that we actually ask all NATO countries to live up to their treaty obligations (financial and military) is considered divisive. When foreign countries refuse or fail to live up to their obligations, their solution is ALWAYS for the US to shoulder an ever growing financial and military security burden without so much as a complaint.
5. Republican Party Inc. has no intention of securing our borders. They are as bad as Democrats when it comes to the illegal invasion problem. Instead of looking at the illegals as a future voting block (after amnesty) like the Democrats, Republican Party Inc. see illegals as nothing but cheap labor to be exploited to satisfy their friends at the Chamber of Commerce - all at the expense of US workers and taxpayers.
6. Republican Party Inc. has demonstrated time and again their willingness to always cave to the leftist agenda because at the end of the day - they really don't care about conservative values. They only use conservatism as a talking point to maintain their positions in the DC swamp and are perfectly satisfied to be the losing opposition so long as they are still a member of the DC club.
7. When in the majority, Republican Party Inc. never really does a thing to implement the conservative agenda they pretended to support during an election cycle. They become largely Democrat lite with increased deficit spending and growing Government intrusion into our lives.
So no...it is not some cult of Trump driving the changes to the Republican Party, it is the base of the Republican Party finally saying "enough" to decades of the do nothing Republican Party Inc. being in control of the "conservative" party. Guys like George Will are card carrying members of Republican Party Inc. and we no longer believe them or want them. What these champagne sipping intellectual snobs at the Bulwork and Lincoln Project fail to understand is that we are killing their breed of pretend conservatives and we are not going to allow them to regain total control of the Republican Party. It took us some time to get there but we finally realized the truth - the Republican Party Inc. members actually despise us (their Republican voting base) just as much as the Democratic leftists do and we are taking steps rid the party of their ilk.
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Re: Oh good grief... the Republican Party is NOT a cult
Nov 3, 2022, 7:21 AM
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Well said.
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Exactly, I'd like to hear a response to that question.***
Nov 3, 2022, 5:05 PM
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But when the neo-Republican Party
Nov 3, 2022, 7:48 AM
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Blindly attaches itself to a man who talks a good game with the points you mentioned but doesn't actually give a #### about it, well, then you've set yourself up for some pretty bad results.
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I think you are falling prey to a talking point more than
Nov 3, 2022, 9:36 AM
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reality. That overwhelming majority of Conservatives/Republicans I know have not attached ourselves to one man that talks a good game. Like I previously stated, Trump could die tomorrow and the new wave of conservative/America First Republican candidates is not going to wane or go away. Simply put - Trump is not what is driving this change...
The MSM and political elites have misdiagnosed what is going on among grass root conservatives so badly that they are mistaking discontent for Republican Inc. for blind Trump loyalty. Too many want to believe that if Trump is taken out of the equation things will just go back to the way it was for the Republican Party. That is the idea that sustains the Democrats, Bush's, the Cheney's, the Romney's and all the anti-Trumpers but it is not the reality of what is happening. Republican voters are not ditching Republican Inc. because we have all fallen under the spell of a snake oil salesman - we are ditching Republican Inc. because they have continually failed to represent us and implement the policy positions for which we elected them. It isn't about Trump - it is about THEM and that is why Trump can die tomorrow and this Republican reformation will continue to grow.
Will the new generation of America First Republican's end up disappointing us? Who knows - we are still in the process of getting these guys in the majority of the Republican Party and it will take time to really see if they are any better than Republican Inc. But one thing is for sure - continuing to support Republican Inc. is not an option because we KNOW they won't address our issues.
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the point is to shame anyone who pushes back...
Nov 3, 2022, 10:04 AM
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against the progressive agenda. You don't have to be a Trump supporter to be labeled UltramegaMAGA. Textbook gaslighting.
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It kinda works both ways.
Nov 3, 2022, 10:07 AM
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Disagree with Trump or MAGA? Well then, you must be a socialist.
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I don't think that way...
Nov 3, 2022, 10:30 AM
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Most people I know want Trump to go away...none of them are socialist. We are giving Trump a much bigger base than I believe he has.
Further, most registered Republicans I know did not vote for Trump in the 2016 primaries. But given a choice between Trump and Hillary, or Trump and Biden, went with Trump.
I would guess Trump maybe has a 25-30% base of diehards who are that way because they are so sick of the politicians and being "nicely" lied to, they don't care about his brutish behavior.
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Someone must have voted for him, or I guess the
Nov 3, 2022, 11:10 AM
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elections are rigged as Trump says...just differently.
And say something negative about Trump or Maga in here..see how long it tales before you are called a "lib" or a "socialist".
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"Lesser of two evils", though I didn't vote for either...***
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Why is this the case then?...
Nov 3, 2022, 5:23 PM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/10/06/elections-deniers-midterm-elections-2022/
I think the issue is that most believe that even if/when Trump is gone, this new "Republican" party has already been rebuilt (in his image) and that's what they're afraid of. Jan 6th was an inflection point for the party and country, and the evidence seems to point to the fact that this new Republican party has embraced election denialism which is antithetical to American ideals. That's the main issue that has spooked other republicans and the rest of the country.
But to your opinion, what specifics have any of these new candidates in the rebuilt Republican party given as to what their policies will be?
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Re: Oh good grief... the Republican Party is NOT a cult
Nov 3, 2022, 9:16 AM
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Agree with Tabby. Of course pubs are not a cult. Neither is democrat party as a whole. But, the lefties have many cultish type groups within the leftist movement.
Climate change. Look at the nuts protesting. This is what a cult looks like - when there are many people in many places doing stupid chit to attempt to make their point (throwing soup on paintings, disrupting sporting events, Climate Activist Dies After Setting Himself on Fire at Supreme Court, etc.). Climate change is a religion to many leftists. It is a vague and unprovable concept - perfect to draw in many 'believers.' And, that is like a cult.
Racism (white supremacy, CRT, ...). Ditto. Many people in many places doing irrational things to support anti-racism or racism against whites. G Floyd riots. Anti-cop rhetoric that results in dozens of police nationwide being ambushed and murdered. It is vague concept that cannot be disproven and is easily molded by believers to fit into their own ideas.
Masking. I'd say there is a mask cult out there. There are people that are likely to wear masks for the rest of their lives. Again, you can't prove masks are the thing or not the thing. The arguments are easily molded to fit the narrative. This idea is also closely related to virtue signaling and the need for many lefties to feel superior to someone.
Anti-Trump (TDS) cult. Indeed, if the litmus test is lots of people doing stupid chit all over the place based on a common, backwards idea this passes the test.
J6 cult. Kill-babies cult. you get the idea.
What are the right-wing cults (besides the alleged Trump/MAGA cult)? 2A? The life-liberty-freedom cult? The 'lets follow the law' cult?
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"conservative agenda"..pfft
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THere's not much conservative about either republican party you mentioned.
Reagan and Goldwater would kick Trump and the magats out of the country if they were still alive and in power.
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Re: George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.
Nov 3, 2022, 7:27 AM
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no
i know that you and others who cannot think for themselves are frustrated and scared
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It's kinda like
Nov 3, 2022, 9:09 AM
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back in the 80s when Southern Baptists rose up and purged their denomination after seeing their institutions moving further and further left and away from the Gospel.
Good SBC moms and dads were alarmed when they saw their sons and daughters go off to seminaries and affiliated schools like Southern and Southeastern Seminaries, Weak Florist, Furman, or Baptist College (now CSU), only to have them graduate with shipwrecked faith and undermined values.
Those seminary grads were getting jobs as pastors, where it soon became clear that their higher criticism education had undermined their faith or radicalized them into something unrecognizable to their conservative parents.
So they united, took over the Convention, then purged the boards of the colleges and seminaries.
Some of the colleges responded by disociating from the SBC, and a small number of churches formed their own organization - the Southern Baptist Alliance. The alliance churches were free to continue their leftward drift as they became more left-wing political and less relevant and effective in ministry of the Gospel.
That is like what is happening in the GOP.
Conservatives are trying to sort out those in the party who don't walk the talk, or who are just blatantly dismissive of large portions of the principles of conservatism - especially small, constitutional gubmint.
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Re: George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.
Nov 3, 2022, 9:44 AM
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Actually, I take exception to one of Tabby's points...on the USA being the world cop...
This is a very complicated situation. There is a global system in which over the last 80 years the USA has done well. Why? Is it because the USA is innately good? We'd like to think so, but that's not it. The combination of capitalism (free markets and freedom) and military might is why the USA is arguably the world's dominant superpower (economic and otherwise). There are lots of reinforcing elements such as the USA's natural resources and educational system. Then there are key underlying infrastructure elements that have to be in place such as a system of laws, courts, transportation systems, communication systems, monetary system, healthcare, etc.
We may not feel like it is 'fair' for the USA to be the world's cop. I used to take that stance. But given the fact that the USA is at the top of the food chain and our standard of living is so high, we really have to take on the world cop role because if there is no one there or if the world cop is China, then we are no longer at the top of the food chain. We use a lot of fre@king energy compared to everyone else to maintain our std of living. Sure we should try to reduce energy use, but we will be FORCED to reduce it if we are not the top cop. We will not be in control of our own destiny if we are not at the top of the food chain.
If we agree we want to be at the top of the food chain, then the question is how do we stay there? It goes back to capitalism and military power. We have no choice but to maintain the level of military supremacy that can keep us on top. Sure, we may argue if that means we need a $500B or $750B annual DoD budget, but experience says our military power needs to be somewhere around what is now +/- some amount.
Now we get down to the defense industrial base. The military procurement system attempts to create fair competition, but in the end, x-hundred billion dollars will be spent with contractors to provide the chit we need to stay on top and to pay salaries of service members. There are lobbyists and a lot of good 'ol boy networks in play, but ultimately the $ must be spent and some number of contractors will spend it.
The way I see the Fundamental Transformation desired by the left is to 1) remove capitalism and 2) take us out of being the top military power. I will concede Biden has not cut the DoD budget. So maybe I am off base on democrats motives here. But, it seems clear democrats do not want the USA to embrace capitalism in the way it has, to push us to the top of the food chain.
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Extremes on both sides have made politics unbearable***
Nov 3, 2022, 10:12 AM
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Re: George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.
Nov 3, 2022, 10:21 AM
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I think George Will is part of the uni-party (both sides/ deep state).
I say that to say I see 3 distinct political factions:
-Anti establishment conservatives
-Uni-party supporters
-Anti establishment leftists
I think all of them have cult followings. Some have a higher ratio of cult-like followers, but they all have them.
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Re: George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.
Nov 3, 2022, 10:33 AM
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I dunno, check these symptoms...
Nov 3, 2022, 10:34 AM
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Re: I dunno, check these symptoms...
Nov 3, 2022, 11:18 AM
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thank you for proving that the OP is RONG! (again)
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Re: I dunno, check these symptoms...
Nov 3, 2022, 3:19 PM
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Now substitute party for leader and you just described the socialist democrats.
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Re: George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.
Nov 3, 2022, 1:25 PM
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By definition no, Cults are defined by holding unusual beliefs. Our two major political parties are too big for their beliefs to be "unusual".
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Re: George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.
Nov 3, 2022, 1:29 PM
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Re: George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.
Nov 3, 2022, 6:36 PM
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I can only speak for myself on this, but to be honest I wish we would do away with a party system all together. The idea of a party to me seems as dumb as having a childhood clubhouse with a sign on the door that says NO __fill in the blank __ invited.It divides the country before we even elect a leader.
BOTH parties are littered with individuals who feel they are too big for their britches and BOTH parties are filled with individuals who could care less about the people who put them in their positions. If you look up the definition of a cult, both parties for that description perfectly.
My issue lies here with the Trump loyalty/cult narrative. If I make a decision, I like to weigh out pros and cons on my own instead of listening to people talk incoherently, spread rumors or do something just because someone tells me it’s the right/wrong thing to do.
With all that being said I can put Biden and Trump side by side and list more pros on one side than i could the other. I dare anyone who could provide proof that they could list more pros under Biden than Trump. You can’t! There isn’t one single thing that Biden has done that has got me thinking I should go drop his name on the ballot.
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Re: George Will said a few years ago that the Republican Party has become a cult.
Nov 3, 2022, 6:38 PM
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So is global warming and COVID. They are cults too.
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