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Dabo interview on Fox Sports Radio
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May 17, 2024, 8:01 AM
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe played an interview with Dabo.
LaVar Arrington and Brady Quinn are the "two pros".
It was interesting because they were both 100% on board with Dabo's assessment of NIL and the portal. Brady Quinn even said that history would look favorably upon Dabo's approach and likened it to building an NFL team through the draft (recruiting and developing high schoolers), rather than free agency (portal).
I highlight this because SO many on these boards have been -- and continue to be -- critical of Dabo's approach. They see Dabo being different, and think that's bad.
I think it's good.
Time will tell, of course. But a couple of those who are more expert than I seem to think he's on the right path.
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Portal Kids
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May 17, 2024, 8:31 AM
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All of these kids fall into one of these categories:
- Talent. Weren't good enough to start where they were.
- Money. No loyalty to any team/fan base. Parents usually have a large push in this as well.
- Depth Chart. Usually too many injuries results in falling in depth chart.
If you're competing for championship aspirations, yearly, I can't imagine wanting ANY of these. I CAN absolutely see other teams that aren't great at developing, but have desperate donor bases (Texas, USC, Miami, FSU, etc) loving the portal.
I don't believe Clemson needs transfer portal kids. Dabo needs a QB worth a f***, a few reliable receivers and another phone call from Tyler (before the season starts).
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Should have gone after McCall who transferred out of Coastal Carolina***
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Re: Dabo interview on Fox Sports Radio
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May 17, 2024, 8:36 AM
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I watched Dabo speak about that on that interview and to be honest I never looked at it that way. I see his point of view. Seems to be more people agreeing with him lately. That being Barrett Sallee, now LaVarr Arrington and Brady Quinn. Maybe the media, and fans for that matter, will start to back off a bit.
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Re: Dabo interview on Fox Sports Radio
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May 17, 2024, 8:44 AM
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They will only start to back off if we resume making playoffs and winning championships. If not, the drums will beat even louder.
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Our issues wont be solved by the portal it is coaching hires***
May 17, 2024, 9:19 AM
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Re: Dabo interview on Fox Sports Radio
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May 17, 2024, 9:24 AM
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Unfortunately, I think you're right about people not seeing the wisdom of what Dabo is doing unless more championships are won. Personally, I think the way Dabo is working it will turn out to be okay, and I think it brings honor to Clemson. I like that he hasn't forsaken the mission of college athletics, and that is to give athletes an opportunity to use their athletic abilities to get an education for success in life. I am really hating that college football is returning to the "80s and 90's where teams like Miami and SMU won because they had the best players money could buy. I hated all of that. I think Dabo is reminding people that you can play at a high level without throwing young players under the bus just for some quick fix player who ultimately won't give a flying flip about Clemson at all. Personally, I'd be okay to sacrifice a championship or two for Clemson to remain true to itself and our traditions of raising up men and women who need no introductions. I never have been comfortable with forsaking integrity for success. My hope this year is that Cade will settle down, our receivers will stay healthy, and the offensive line will be nasty. I want this team to shut up all of the critics and prove once again that you can win big without sacrificing who you are. Go Tigers!
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Its not wisdom if it doesnt make us an elite program.
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May 17, 2024, 5:36 PM
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After all, Dabo is paid with the expectation that we are one of the nation’s elite football programs and competing for national championships.
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Re: Its not wisdom if it doesnt make us an elite program.
May 17, 2024, 5:54 PM
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I agree and it should be done with integrity.
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Re: Dabo interview on Fox Sports Radio
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May 17, 2024, 9:32 AM
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Clemson being the only P5 school to take this approach makes them the test case on the validity of the entire portal argument. Its easy to throw rocks since we've come back to Earth a bit from our heady days a few years back but that would be an overly simplistic way of determining whether Dabos approach is responsible for our regression. Add a stud QB and maybe WR to the last couple teams and they are right in the playoff hunt. The fact we've missed on some guys from a recruiting perspective can be argued to be more responsible for our relative lack of success than anything else, not that the media won't hesitate to lay it all at the feet of a lack of portal activity.
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Until Dabo's approach is proven to WORK then the criticism will continue.....
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May 17, 2024, 9:53 AM
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Dabo has not PROVEN that he can field a national title team in the Portal/NIL era of College Football. As a matter of fact since 2018 National title he's taken a slight step back each year w/ a "bottom-out" or a "floor" of 8-4 b/c of the conference we play in. Teams we used to destroy on a fairly regular basis have closed the gap.........in the last 3 years we've lost to the likes of NCstate TWICE, Duke, South Carolina, Pitt, & Miami. We've had nail biter victories over Wake, Kentucky, Syracuse, South Carolina, Louisville, BC, Georgia Tech.........why???? Because we're not as good as we once were OR as good as our fans believe we are. The talent has fallen off drastically. Like it or not the portal and NIL have changed the college football world and since others are PLAYING THE GAME and WE AREN'T you get.................the last 3 years.
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Re: Until Dabo's approach is proven to WORK then the criticism will continue.....
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May 17, 2024, 10:01 AM
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As a lifelong Clemson fan I will gladly accept a few losses each year if it means maintaining integrity. Integrity beats winning a football game any day in my book.
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so are you saying......
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May 17, 2024, 10:09 AM
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our current players on NIL have no integrity?
are you saying the Clemson players that have transfered out have no integrity??
just trying to get a clear picture of your "holier than thou" approach.......
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Re: Until Dabo's approach is proven to WORK then the criticism will continue.....
May 17, 2024, 10:22 AM
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In the real world, like it or not, the only thing that matters is results. Especially, when there are large amounts of money at stake. You can skin a cat several ways, but it has to be skinned nonetheless. If we have 4 losses or miss the playoffs the next couple of years, the heat will be on. GPAs, grad rates, molding young men and charity work are all great and noble - but pairing that with the results described above will put a coach on the hot seat.
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We shall see
May 17, 2024, 10:20 AM
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This year will be the final test, in my opinion. If we fail, then the criticism is warranted.
But you oversimplify both the problems, and the solutions. There are myriad reasons why we've regressed and, therefore, a number of necessary solutions.
We recruited all the same 5 stars that everyone in the country wanted (Frank Ladson, DJU, to name just 2). They didn't pan out. We missed. But so did everyone else.
It's not as simple as "just use the portal". The portal creates at least as many problems as it might solve. See: FSU's bowl game and Colorado after game 4.
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For sure....there are definitely more issues than just portal/NIL, but.....
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May 17, 2024, 10:27 AM
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these are huge parts to our issues.
utilizing the portal to "quick fix" issues/busts/transfers is something others use to their advantage and we don't. We lose roughly 10-12 scholarship players to the portal EACH YEAR and replace with high schoolers.........that's 40-50% of a RECRUITING CLASS (assuming a 25 person class) EVERY YEAR......which is less than most, BUT we don't replace with college guys........we replace with high school guys.........that creates "Forever young" issues.
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Re: We shall see
May 17, 2024, 10:56 AM
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Not me. Young WR's. A great class brewing for 2025. I see us continuing to grow.
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Re: Until Dabo's approach is proven to WORK then the criticism will continue.....
May 17, 2024, 1:14 PM
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Dabo has not PROVEN that he can field a national title team in the Portal/NIL era of College Football. As a matter of fact since 2018 National title he's taken a slight step back each year w/ a "bottom-out" or a "floor" of 8-4 b/c of the conference we play in. Teams we used to destroy on a fairly regular basis have closed the gap.........in the last 3 years we've lost to the likes of NCstate TWICE, Duke, South Carolina, Pitt, & Miami. We've had nail biter victories over Wake, Kentucky, Syracuse, South Carolina, Louisville, BC, Georgia Tech.........why???? Because we're not as good as we once were OR as good as our fans believe we are. The talent has fallen off drastically. Like it or not the portal and NIL have changed the college football world and since others are PLAYING THE GAME and WE AREN'T you get.................the last 3 years.
“The talent has fallen off drastically” because of portal use?
Then explain how Dabo’s lack of portal use affects the offense, but not the defense. I think it might be something else.
I mean we recruited DJ, is he better because FSU got him in the portal?
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I've thought about that throughout our downfall.....here's my theory.......
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May 17, 2024, 2:11 PM
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while NIL and portal are two different things we all know they also go hand in hand also.
Clemson and/or Dabo is not willing to play the "NIL" game to LEAD WITH in recruiting efforts in portal or high school. On average I'd assume that the MAJORITY of NIL$ is spent/focused on the "FLASH" or OFFENSE...........while the Defense demands less as a whole and on average per player. Of course you may have your one-off defensive players that come with a million$ NIL tag, but for the most part QB, WR, RB drive that ship..............which allows defense NIL$ to stay on the lower end or unaffected end of things.........that's why IMO Clemson's Defense has not had a significant swing up or down.
just an opinion, but regardless....Clemson's downfall has come b/c our offensive skill players now aren't in the same stratosphere as our offensive skill players in our 2015-2019 years.
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Re: Until Dabo's approach is proven to WORK then the criticism will continue.....
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May 17, 2024, 1:32 PM
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Maybe we lose a little sight when we only focus on believing the portal won’t help us that much, but don’t give enough credit to the fact that the portal has made a lot of mediocre teams a little better and closed some gaps.
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I agree with Dabos approach. Nothing wrong with
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taking the road less traveled!
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Sirius replayed the same interview this morning Andy Staples assessment was that
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May 17, 2024, 10:15 AM
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Dabo is a great coach and developer of both players and men who will not win another national championship unless he is able to start using the portal for a few key additions.
He theorized that Dabo knows this but also knows we don’t have the resources to compete with 0310 state, Texas, Oregon…and that’s why he’s following this strategy. He believes in a year or two players will be paid directly by the teams and it we’ll be back to a level playing field.
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May 17, 2024, 10:27 AM
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This is why people are critical of Dabo not using the portal, for right or wrong.
Fortunately or unfortunately, the success of Dabo's approach to NIL / Portal can be easily measured. People need to be able to face reality either way.
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not many on here that live in reality when it comes to Clemson Football***
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Re: 9-4
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May 17, 2024, 10:32 AM
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Hit chip shot field goals and that record is at least 11-2
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Truth
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May 17, 2024, 10:34 AM
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And hang on to the ball just a couple of times and we're having a very different conversation -- talking about what a genius Dabo is!
Instead...
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LOL.......case in point^^^^^***
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May 17, 2024, 10:36 AM
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OK Debbie Downer
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May 17, 2024, 10:48 AM
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Jeez dude. I'm sure you're the life of the party.
Feel free to go be a "fan" of some other team.
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I'll take the student that represent Clemson, Dabo and 9-4 all day long
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I like winning as much as anybody, and I think we can win within the system Dabo is running. That being said, with everything that is wrong with our society, college sports included, I am so happy our with the way our players and coaches represent our university.
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I am sure many would take 9-4 every year and graduate players...
May 17, 2024, 4:34 PM
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..especially our feathered friends.
I love Dabo for who he is, and would not trade him for anyone!
I am just saying that if he continues to miss the playoffs while not using the portal, then he will be criticized for it.
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Re: Dabo interview on Fox Sports Radio
May 17, 2024, 10:39 AM
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If Dabo recruits a first round NFL QB then everyone will shut up.
I don't think they will shut up until then.
Clemson has not had many first round QB's in the last 70 years.
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May 17, 2024, 11:13 AM
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UGA, BAMA, OH ST, LSU, TX, OKLA and a dozen more SEC, B1G, and BIG 12 have better o-line backups than Clemson has starters. Some enter the portal.
Some smaller schools have talented o-linemen enter the portal. O-linemen are generally not prima donnas. Identify them. Engage them. Recruit NIL transfers. True freshmen o-linemen are often not ready to play.
Duke last year, in addition to running for 200 yds vs. Clemson and averaging 5.8 yds per play, had an o-lineman drafted in this year's 1st round. Has Clemson ever had a 1st round NFL o-line pick?
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I agree. But we tried to recruit portal OL they just didn't want Clemson.
May 17, 2024, 4:37 PM
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I think it's a step in the right direction.
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Not surprising that journalists who actually interview Dabo themselves,
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May 17, 2024, 12:07 PM
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instead of running off with quotes from other interviews or statements as most do, have a vastly different appreciation for how he manages our program and why. This pretty much sums up Dabo's entire tenure here in regards to the media and many fans.
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Again - i don't think anyone is asking Dabo to build his program through the
May 17, 2024, 5:17 PM
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portal. Just like in the Pros teams trying to build through FA doesn't work well - but good teams add pieces to a well build and developed core. That's all.
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Re: Dabo interview on Fox Sports Radio
May 17, 2024, 5:24 PM
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They all want to be lemmings and follow each other over the cliff.
"The genius is he who has no precedent. He doesn’t copy anyone. He goes beyond everyone else to unknown and unexplored places."
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Dabos approach isnt working.
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It’s a nice idea to be a purely developmental program, but it isn’t realistic when players are allowed to transfer without sitting out a year.
The current portal rules make it far easier for players to leave a school, and as a result, the only way for us to replace players we lose to the portal (or to the draft) is to hope that we have a guy already on the roster who can step in. That, or hope that a true freshman can come in and make a difference immediately.
It’s a risky approach since other teams can replace lost talent, or bolster existing talent, via what is essentially free agency. Dabo refusing to utilize that avenue puts the program at significant disadvantage.
It’s no wonder we have underachieved three years in a row.
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