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Orange Blooded [3003]
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A new study from Europe on Hydroxychloroquine
Aug 27, 2020, 6:27 PM
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Ok. Latest study shows it’s a lower dosage that can help Covid-19 patients. This is from Dr John Campbell. Very reputable and non political expert who has been reporting on the virus since the beginning.
His video goes thru the study in details but gives you the summary in the 1st couple minutes in case you don’t want to hear all the medical jargon.
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Re: A new study from Europe on Hydroxychloroquine
Aug 27, 2020, 6:34 PM
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Trump just keeps winning
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2 things really bother me
Aug 28, 2020, 9:04 AM
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1. Someone making a sales/political pitch touting religious symbols.
2. Politicians giving speeches from a church pulpit. Churches are sacred and to me should be reserved ONLY for praising the Lord.
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Re: 2 things really bother me
Aug 28, 2020, 10:45 PM
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Trump is at the front steps, not in the pulpit. Minor detail, but important.
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The religious symbols are an important sign that...
Aug 28, 2020, 11:01 PM
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...the candidate is not a Communist/Socialist/Fascist. All of those systems of control are radically anti-religion because they are competing systems of pseudo-religion.
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False - if you'll look at the specific studies themselves,
Aug 28, 2020, 9:16 AM
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there are questions about nearly all of them - the plus and the minus.
I linked a paper down below that lays out the theoretical benefit of the HCQ-Z combination - most studies are using only HCQ, and also with no antibacterial as well.
The role of Fauci and the Leftists is in the least diabolical - they've never wanted it to succeed. They want a big dollar drug treatment or a vaccine, not something already in use.
The NIH is starting a study on Ivermectin, a drug that has been used in Australia. They're touting the idea that Ivermectin kills CV-19 in vitro (in a lab dish) as good reason to start a trial.
Ironically, doctors have known that HCQ-Z stops replication of CV-19 in vitro as well and since early February.
It's one thing to try to manipulate an election. It's quite anther to abuse a Government position in a way that withholds treatment possibilities.
The Deep State is very, very real, and it views human beings as little more than lab rats.
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Re: A new study from Europe on Hydroxychloroquine
Aug 27, 2020, 6:50 PM
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Let's face it .... if Trump had endorsed Polio vaccine the Liberals would have declared it toxic and then blamed every case on him. His endorsement of Hcl was certainly the kiss of death.
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Y'all all crazy
Aug 27, 2020, 7:40 PM
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If it turns out to work -- GREAT. For everybody.
The point is, making a call BEFORE the scientific study comes in is dangerous.
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Re: Y'all all crazy
Aug 27, 2020, 7:54 PM
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History revisionism much?
Hcl was prescribed to Trump by POTUS' personal physician. It has been used for a generation as a preventive measure for numerous respiratory ailments.
Your self-appointed medical critics in the media called Trump a self-appointed quack because it fit their agenda, so they made unfounded assumptions. Like they frequently do.
You should really do some independent research on the reliability of national media (local media is still pretty accountable; national media has no reason to be). Your viewing experience will never be the same again.
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Lupus medication
Aug 28, 2020, 5:57 AM
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Both my daughters have lupus and they both have taken Plaquenil (Hcl) for years, it keeps their body’s immune system from attacking Itself and it has been a safe drug for them both. Kate started taking it when she was 17(27 now) and Anna started when she was 11(25 now) after her 1st heart surgery.
They’re wasn’t a shortage at any point for either of them because they protected the supply for those who need it.
They’re couple of other over the counter remedies that basically do the same thing, I’ll post it with a do your research as you all know I’m not a doctor but my daughters lupus doctor is a disease specialist(his kids take horse riding lessons at our barn) he’s renowned for his medical research and he suggested this for my wife and I to have on hand in case we had symptoms.
This is an over the counter remedy, do your research. Posted for your research only.<-<- only!
Personally, if we get symptoms with a fever we will give this a shot immediately just on my trust of our Doctor and my wife’s medical knowledge.
Tigernet motto we use this at our Farm lol ??
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Re: Lupus medication
Aug 28, 2020, 4:32 PM
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My daughter also has an auto-immune disease and was prescribed Plaquenil. The garbage that has been said and printed about it is absurd, much like the heart problems caused by Covid. Even the flu and other viruses can haver an effect on the heart, but it is relatively rare, and really just being used as a scare tactic because of TDS.
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Re: Lupus medication
Aug 29, 2020, 1:36 AM
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I’m actually amazed that your post is still up. I posted info on this on tigernet weeks ago and mods pulled the entire thread immediately. I too researched and decided, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I was going to have several bottles of quercetin and zinc in my cabinet, and I do. There’s real scientific research and studies out there on the effectiveness of quercetin as a zinc ionophore, and increased intracellular zinc inhibiting viral RNA polymerase. People should read more for themselves and wean off the political propaganda, from both sides. Of course if quercetin sounds so scary just go get some grapes or red wine, or elderberry tea. I never dreamed medical care and health and nutrition would someday become political in this country, but it certainly is. Bizarro world we are living in.
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Re: Y'all all crazy
Aug 27, 2020, 7:55 PM
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If it turns out to work -- GREAT. For everybody.
The point is, making a call BEFORE the scientific study comes in is dangerous.
The French study is what got this on the radar, that led to requesting compassionate care use and the launch the observational studies. If you watched this highly informative video you now know the WHO, Oxford, Brazil studies used dosages well above the historical recommended dose. It’s almost like they wanted to put patients in harms way, but who knows. The Belgium study (and I think the Henry Ford Hospital study) used the recommended safe dosage levels and found the medication to be effective.
This means they should continue with more studies and stop demonizing this drug. They also should be doing studies with it in combination with zinc.
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Re: Y'all all crazy
Aug 27, 2020, 10:37 PM
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Correct ............. Some of the original tests were done with patients who were well into a severe case of Covid, many on respirators. In spite of it being taken for many years safely, all of a sudden there was supposed to be significant risk of heart trouble for those taking it ........ merely scare tactics and an endeavor to discredit the president.
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An Oxford (UK) study published in the Lancet on June 5th
Aug 28, 2020, 2:22 PM
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had a HCQ death rate of approx 25% and a regular CV19 death rate of 24%. The MSM concluded this meant that HCQ actually hurt the patients.
Then people realized that those death rates were too high either way, and it was determined that the drug had been given late stage and to generally people with co-morbidities. It was as if they had created a study specifically with the worst possible possibility of coming to a good conclusion about HCQ. The backing for the study was then pulled.
Then in early June as well a study was going to be published by South Korea. It was stopped as there were concerns over "how the results would be interpreted". I am not sure if the study was ever even released.
I append here an article from August 7 listing 5 studies of which one was the Oxford study. It claims the drug works in Monkeys not Humans. It also mentions Fauci.
https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/new-study-hydroxychloroquine-works-in-monkeys-not-humansNew Study: Hydroxychloroquine Works in Monkeys, Not Humans The resources used to study hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) would have been better spent on more promising treatment modalities, such as studying Camostat mesilate or nafamostat mesylate therapy for COVID-19, a compound which has been shown to block TMPRSS2. New Study: Hydroxychloroquine Works in Monkeys, Not Humans The resources used to study hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) would have been better spent on more promising treatment modalities, such as studying Camostat mesilate or nafamostat mesylate therapy for COVID-19, a compound which has been shown to block TMPRSS2.
Later, South Korea, the WHO, and the US all also stopped active studies on HCQ - and all on the same day June 20th. It was if - as if - they had all gotten together to stop HCQ testing at once.One of the US studies was being conducted by NIH. Another study was being done by a maker of HCQ, Novartis. These studies all suggested no efficacy for the drug against CV19, but also noted that the drug did not pose significant side risk of effects (in other words, we'll all agree the drug doesn't work but we won't hurt the drug companies who still want to sell it for other uses).
Oddly the article provided from Aug 7 does not show the UK study being pulled - it also does list the Brazil study.
A Henry Ford center study released in July had problems in that patients also received portico-steroids which have in fact shown to her fight against the cytokine storm that occurs in and is often fatal to late stage CV19 patients.
The only thing that a reasonable human being can conclude is that the Medical community has sold its soul to political and market value goals and really doesn't care if the studies are done correctly or not. They do not care.
Finally I provide a paper that goes into some depth about the 4 stages of CV19, and how they think the HCQ-Z combination (again the vast majority of studies do not include the Z component) works or does not work at each stage. The paper openly states why they think the combination does not work in the 4th stage of the disease, but overall suggests that the Medical community continue to refine how it is testing the drug protocol against the disease. Effectively they're saying bad delivery protocols and bad testing methods have yielded bad results.
That paper is linked in another comment below from a group of physicians who call themselves Heraclitus. It comes from a website in part dedicated to discussing treatments for CV19.
Another suggestion I might make is it is time to drop the snarky comments about "tin foil hats", specifically agreeing that while the Internet is a cesspool of whackos and outright lies, the willingness of our "Leaders" to manipulate individual lives has now moved beyond the pale. This ain't Richard Millhouse Nixon's White House anymore - not at all.
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If I recall, and I am old so do get it wrong occasionally,
Aug 28, 2020, 4:18 AM
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Trump made comment to effect there were countries reporting good result with the drug in the early weeks of panic.
Ever since in press it has been HCQ will kill you and Trump is wrong to have said otherwise.
As with every other media blitz to discredit Trump, he usually ends up right all along. But TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) is real and will continue no matter what facts are.
How many lives could have been saved in US if HCQ was administered at on set of symptoms same as Italy, France, Turkey, Etc.? Still to this day states and cities are banning use of HCQ. Ludicrous on display. People literally have to die because of TDS.
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Re: If I recall, and I am old so do get it wrong occasionally,
Aug 28, 2020, 7:25 AM
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I hope this drug does work of course. But if it were such a miracle drug it would have been used in other countries that don’t have a dog in the fight to discredit Trump. That hasn’t happened with any significant positive results. I think the best case is maybe this drug will have a minor positive impact, but let’s not act like the media caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths just trying to discredit Trump. I’m not defending the media, but let’s not go overboard here
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Re: If I recall, and I am old so do get it wrong occasionally,
Aug 28, 2020, 7:52 AM
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Belgium study included 8000 Covid patients. Those that received HCQ + standard care had statistically significant improvement against mortality vs the standard care arm. Belgium is now using the drug extensively. I hope this study is allowed to be discussed among medical community because this has been shown to improve outcomes if administered early when symptoms start. Unless a patient has pre existing heart condition this medication can be safely prescribed by a primary care doctor at the known safe dosage levels.
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Can you send a link to the source of your information?
Aug 28, 2020, 3:09 PM
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Do you guys REALLY believe doctors in the US would purposely NOT provide the best treatment to Covid-19 patients?
Let's not let politics eliminate all reasonable thinking.
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the real answer to this is that Doctors are going to follow
Aug 28, 2020, 3:45 PM
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established protocols, They're going to "provide appropriate service" by following established, peer-reviewed work. That's their "policy". The presumption here is that their "toolbox" is complete. With a novel virus that presumption is continually being challenged.
What is being questioned here is how the Medical Research Community has dealt with HCQ, and whether the disconnect being service providers and researchers has allowed for a gap in Overall Integrity. The suggestion being then that Researchers have been less than appropriate in providing the Service providers the complete tool box.
Further, the complexities of the new disease combined with using a drug "cocktail" (possibly HCQ, Zinc, and an anti-biotic) provide ample opportunity for Testing to be designed inappropriately, to be conducted inappropriately, or both. And "inappropriately" here should be read as "mistaken in any way" - noting that established methodologies are not yet known. As comparison, note that it took them quite a while to figure out to use a "cocktail" against HIV, and then also to fine tune "to some degree" the cocktails chosen. We're still in the first year of this disease.
Notation of the use of HCQ against Coronaviruses in Asia goes at least as far back as SARS in 2003. They know it works in vitro. The interest is not "purely Political" as a means of propping up perceived effectiveness of POTUS. That's not real either.
What is real is that our NIH (Fauci) and CDC were entirely unprepared for this outbreak. I could give you several ways. Either they're astronomically stupid or they're playing politics. This isn't a POTUS issue - though it is notable that POTUS wold be vilified in the extreme if he had ignored guidance from the Government's "Subject Matter Experts". Effectually he's been trapped from day 1.
In short - NIH and CD f*cked this up. Yet they're still running the show. Questions need to be posed - not to POTUS though. Everyone agrees he's out of his element other than to issue commands (which is what a good CEO does).
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Re: Can you send a link to the source of your information?
Aug 28, 2020, 5:16 PM
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Do you guys REALLY believe doctors in the US would purposely NOT provide the best treatment to Covid-19 patients?
Let's not let politics eliminate all reasonable thinking.
I thought for certain I included the YouTube link for Dr. Campbell’s review of the published studies in my original post(ie Belgium and Oxford). I guess I can try again here: https://youtu.be/2uzXHnUViro
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Re: If I recall, and I am old so do get it wrong occasionally,
Aug 28, 2020, 12:58 PM
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Check out Uganda. Only 22 deaths. Could be from use of some form taking since malaria rampant in that country. But if a chance it works there, we should find out why.
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I believe they call it, "right to try". Besides
Aug 28, 2020, 1:18 PM
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aren't there like ~ 100 years of usage data on Hydroxychloroquine?
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a detailed analysis of the stages of Covid and HCQ-Z's
Aug 28, 2020, 8:30 AM
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possibilities. Describes how it might work at differing stages of the disease, in particular saying that applying the medicine at the wrong time is why certain studies failed. For your consideration.
https://heraclitusoncovid19.com/therapies-for-sars-cov-2-pneumonia/
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Re: a detailed analysis of the stages of Covid and HCQ-Z's
Aug 28, 2020, 5:23 PM
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That’s a great review, also from that site you can find this summary of all the many HCQ studies published so far. Notice how many had a favorable report. It’s not a completely debunked treatment as the US media would have you believe.
https://c19study.com/
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CNN and MSNBC should be banned from cable packages
Aug 28, 2020, 8:52 AM
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Or at least only be included with the Adult ### bundle.
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Wait, so I was watching a comedy show the other night...
Aug 28, 2020, 1:16 PM
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on some comedy channel called CNN. There were a couple of clowns going by Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon.
They said the POTUS was wrong for suggesting Hydroxychloroquine could help people with COVID. The clowns said it doesn't help and can kill you, even though they forgot to mention the virus can kill you as well.
I asked myself, "self, if I have cancer and there's a drug that can possibly save me, and it has no history of killing people, wouldn't I want access to it?". My answer came back a resounding "yes".
I couldn't figure out why the clowns were too dumb to see this? Not only were these clowns lacking intelligence, it was almost like they had an agenda against the POTUS and this drug that could save people?
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Re: Wait, so I was watching a comedy show the other night...
Aug 28, 2020, 4:35 PM
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Well the Cuomo boys sure ought to know about killing Covid patients. Andrew has seen to it that New York killed their fair share and more.
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Re: A new study from Europe on Hydroxychloroquine
Aug 28, 2020, 1:52 PM
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It's pretty much the go to treatment where I work. HCQ/Zinc/Azithromycin.. People are recovering and we are seeing 70 year olds coming off vents.(When given in early stages before going on vents) Not saying it's a miracle drug, but it is what it is. The drug was politicized, period. Really sad.
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Where do you work?***
Aug 28, 2020, 3:14 PM
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The Department of His Fevered Imagination
Aug 28, 2020, 10:24 PM
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Re: A new study from Europe on Hydroxychloroquine
Aug 29, 2020, 8:38 AM
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This is just one anecdote, but I have a Turkish buddy (a professor in TX) who flew home to visit his family a few weeks ago. He was asymptomatic, but he took a quick result airport test when he arrived in Turkey to be on the safe side before seeing his older parents, and it came back positive. He spent time in the hospital there, and was given HCQ. It’s the first thing he brought up and was swearing by it, in terms of the positive difference it made real quickly in his case. Again, this is just one anecdote, but it is consistent with a lot of the merits of the treatment that have been detailed in this thread.
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