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Officiating question.... How do refs differentiate between the offensive guy
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Mar 24, 2024, 9:07 PM
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hammering the defender (like the NC State player that I love) with no foul, and a ticky-tack down low defender on the elbow of the offensive player for a foul? I have seen a gamut of calls...very little consistency, but maybe there's alot in the rulebook that I don't understand/know about... For instance PJ's last foul tonight - he was getting mugged, then did not affect the recovering Baylor player with a tap on the arm, but was called. I haven't noticed such a wide disparity between the O and D before. Maybe I'm making too much of it. Any of you refs out there - love to hear thoughts.
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That is driving me crazy for the defenders
Mar 24, 2024, 9:10 PM
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They are just expected to absorb deliberately initiated extreme contact into the defender to back them down, yet if you don't judge it perfectly to offset the action/reaction, a foul is called. If a defender just came at the offensive player with that much force, it would be a flagrant foul.
Then when Sheff takes a fall (which I don't think was much contact to be a charge) they call a blocking foul, but the defender is essentially guessing every time whether or not and how much force the offensive player is going to use to drive into their chest.
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CU Medallion [53829]
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Was this your first Clemson basketball game. It can get much worse. And to
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Mar 24, 2024, 9:15 PM
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answer you question. Technically, it depends on the color of the jersey. If necessary, I think I can prove it with facts.
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Don't want to get u spun up, spud....I know your disdain goes way back. Just
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Mar 24, 2024, 9:26 PM
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have noticed lack of consistency in alot of games in the tourney this year. Not just the Clemson games, not just SEC teams - I just don't understand what amount of offensive aggressive back-down warrants a foul, and what amount of defending down low does/does not warrant a foul. More frustrated with it this year more so than others.
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CU Medallion [53829]
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Officiating has gotten terrible. Whenever the decision was made to let a bigger
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Mar 24, 2024, 9:36 PM
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more massive offensive player slam backwards into the defender until one of two things happen: 1. He hammers him so hard so often that he backs him under the basket so the offensive player can shoot a layup or 2. The defensive player hammers him back harder until the ref calls a foul on the defense. Lose/Lose for the defense.
Another thing that has just gone away is WALKING. Players shuffle their feet so much when they get the ball now it is not even funny. I bet the refs could call walking ten times a game. But, rarely is it over once or twice at most.
And finally, PALMING. I can live with the hand under the ball while dribbling, but when a player starts to make a pass and sees it is going to be stolen, and pulls the ball back and puts it on the floor, that is a violation that the defense caused and should get rewarded for. And they absolutely have to call it when a player loses control of the ball and brings it to his body, but then pushes it down to the floor...THAT IS CLEARLY DOUBLE DRIBBLE. I have seen that four or five times this tournament and I have not watched that many games, and it has not been called yet.
This game is nothing like it was 20 years ago for sure. And to the main point of your original post. THe refs are very non-consistent. Not even in the same game, but clearly not across the league or the country. It is disgusting to us old timers. Totally disgusting.
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Re: Officiating question.... How do refs differentiate between the offensive guy
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Mar 24, 2024, 9:30 PM
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Looking at the replay of PJ‘s last foul, it appears the Baylor guy got his legs twisted up and lost his balance. I really don’t think PJ caused him to fall.
Being a basketball ref is really really difficult. Gotta make subjective calls sometimes on really fast action. I would not be good at this.
I’ve always said, as long as we get X bad calls against us, and the other team gets X bad calls against them, then we cool.
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Re: Officiating question.... How do refs differentiate between the offensive guy
Mar 24, 2024, 9:43 PM
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Well they weren’t close to being even tonight
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Re: Officiating question.... How do refs differentiate between the offensive guy
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Mar 24, 2024, 9:40 PM
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One thing I can say for sure. The refs in the tournament have been allowing a lot more physical play than anything I saw all year in the ACC.
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NC State Burns beat the heck out of ACC players and rarely if ever fouled out***
Mar 24, 2024, 10:12 PM
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Basketball officials are as gullible as soccer refs. They call fouls for flops
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Mar 24, 2024, 10:06 PM
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that are obvious and poorly acted. And watch what offensive players do when they feel any contact or a defender gets near, they throw their head back and gyrate to get a call.
Also, they let offensive players use their off hand to push, grab, pull, whatever is needs to clear space.
I cut them a lot of slack because it's fast and difficult, but so much is obvious that they miss.
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You lost me at "the NC State player that I love"
Mar 24, 2024, 10:11 PM
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He plays bully ball and should foul out in the first 5 minutes of the game.
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Before every game, the officials meet and
Mar 24, 2024, 10:15 PM
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decide which sections of the rulebook won't apply to which team. Then they take out their contacts, do tequila shooters, and get to work.
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Re: Officiating question.... How do refs differentiate between the offensive guy
Mar 24, 2024, 11:17 PM
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They guess. A lot of times you see fouls get called when a player falls even if he isn't touched. It just LOOKS like there's contact initially before you look at a close-up replay. Like that call that went against Samford the other day.
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