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The Assocaited Press is pathetic
Jun 8, 2021, 10:35 AM
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From an article titled 'Senate Report Details Sweeping Failures Around January 6 Attacks':
"As a bipartisan effort, the report does not delve into the root causes of the attack, including Trump’s role as he called for his supporters to 'fight like hell' to overturn his election defeat that day. It does not call the attack an insurrection, even though it was."
The words 'even though it was' contain a hyperlink to another AP article where they argue that it obviously was an insurrection, based on nothing more than their own writer's opinion.
Anybody remember when the Associated Press had credibility?
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Pretty poor unless it is labeled an opinion article.***
Jun 8, 2021, 10:45 AM
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Links to the articles OP is referencing...
Jun 8, 2021, 10:45 AM
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OP said:
From an article titled 'Senate Report Details Sweeping Failures Around January 6 Attacks':
"As a bipartisan effort, the report does not delve into the root causes of the attack, including Trump’s role as he called for his supporters to 'fight like ####' to overturn his election defeat that day. It does not call the attack an insurrection, even though it was." That article is here: https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-capitol-siege-government-and-politics-96054d62518a7be4c3f30231f51beaf5Senate report details broad failures around Jan. 6 attack WASHINGTON (AP) — A Senate investigation of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol found a broad intelligence breakdown across multiple agencies, along with widespread law enforcement and military failures that led to the violent attack.
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The words 'even though it was' contain a hyperlink to another AP article where they argue that it obviously was an insurrection, based on nothing more than their own writer's opinion.
Anybody remember when the Associated Press had credibility? That article is linked below, and here is the relevant text from it:
[TRUMP LAWYER BRUCE] CASTOR: “Clearly, there was no insurrection. Insurrection is a term of art, defined in the law, involves taking over a country ... a shadow government taking the TV stations over and having some plan on what you’re going to do when you finally take power.”
THE FACTS: It was a textbook insurrection.
As “defined in the law,” an insurrection is “the act or an instance of revolting esp. violently against civil or political authority or against an established government,” according to Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary of Law.
Under the U.S. Code, the crime of insurrection is committed by “Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto.”
Apart from the law and legal texts, insurrection is defined by Webster’s New World College Dictionary, which is used by The Associated Press, as “a rising up against established authority; rebellion; revolt.”
On Jan. 6, attackers rose up physically and violently against the established authorities — Congress, as it was carrying out its constitutional duties surrounded and protected by U.S. government staff and police. Many in the siege were intent on stopping Congress from affirming Trump’s defeat.
An insurrection is commonly understood to mean a short-lived revolt that fails, as this one did. Castor may have been conflating an insurrection with a coup d’etat, which suggests a more organized and advanced effort to seize power, perhaps involving a shadow government ready to take over. Jan. 6 was not that. https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-donald-trump-capitol-siege-violence-elections-507f4febbadecb84e1637e55999ac0eaAP FACT CHECK: Trump's team glosses over his Jan. 6 tirade WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump's legal team thoroughly distorted his remarks from the rally that prefaced the storming of the Capitol last month, seizing on the one instance when Trump spoke of peaceful protest in his “fight like hell” tirade of anger and grievance...
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Re: Links to the articles OP is referencing...
Jun 8, 2021, 10:50 AM
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As “defined in the law,” an insurrection is “the act or an instance of revolting esp. violently against civil or political authority or against an established government,” according to Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary of Law.
Note that Merriam-Webster does not include in its definition "protesting against election fraud".
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When you break into the Capitol...
Jun 8, 2021, 10:51 AM
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To stop the counting of EC ballots, you are no longer "protesting against election fraud."
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you have such a hard on for about an 8 hour
Jun 8, 2021, 11:17 AM
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time span. Its amazing. You attack this issue like a rabid coon.
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Almost like a...
Jun 8, 2021, 12:45 PM
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Foaming at the mouth, obsessive MAGAophile who wants to overthrow the government?
Remember when you cheered on the Capitol?
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I wouldn't call it a "legal" insurrection unless
Jun 8, 2021, 10:51 AM
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someone is so charged and convicted.
In my opinion, there was insurrection, based on my interpretation of what that word means. But I wouldn't say that as an objective fact.
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I would say that Brown was murdered,
Jun 8, 2021, 11:13 AM
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but I wouldn't say that Simpson murdered someone.
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Re: I would say that Brown was murdered,
Jun 10, 2021, 12:30 AM
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So you don't think it was OJ?
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In a real life situation like this, there is room for
Jun 8, 2021, 11:15 AM
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judgment on whether it was "revolting," whether it was "violent," whether it was "against the government," etc. Again, in my opinion, it was those things. But I do believe it is my opinion.
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The AP Fact Check they linked reads like Snopes.
Jun 8, 2021, 10:51 AM
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https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-donald-trump-capitol-siege-violence-elections-507f4febbadecb84e1637e55999ac0eaAP FACT CHECK: Trump's team glosses over his Jan. 6 tirade WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump's legal team thoroughly distorted his remarks from the rally that prefaced the storming of the Capitol last month, seizing on the one instance when Trump spoke of peaceful protest in his “fight like hell” tirade of anger and grievance...
Very disappointing to read this "fact check". Once again, you could probably come up with dozens of times in the past year a politician has urged supporters to be strong and to fight. The fact...that a fact checking article says effectively yes, he said to go make your voices heard peacefully...but only once, so it doesn't count? Are you kidding? Or that those messages were drown out by his other phrases? Well...I wonder who focused on his more aggressive comments? Maybe the Associated Press?
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Not sure why so much focus on Jan. 6
Jun 8, 2021, 10:53 AM
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In my opinion, the President incited insurrection, and it had nothing to do with what he said on Jan. 6. I don't even know what he said on Jan. 6. What about the two months prior to that...shoot the six months prior to that. That's when the inciting happened.
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Re: Not sure why so much focus on Jan. 6
Jun 8, 2021, 11:20 AM
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What about the two months prior to that...shoot the six months prior to that.
Or election night, when five states, all of them swing states, mysteriously and inexplicably stopped counting votes.
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Exactly, saying false things like that
Jun 8, 2021, 11:23 AM
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is one example of what I mean about the President inciting insurrection.
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If the President accepted the defeat as legitimate
Jun 8, 2021, 11:34 AM
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And summarily and immediately rejected these theories about fraud, then the events of Jan. 6 would have never happened. That's what I mean when I say he incited it.
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Now see, this I strongly object to. You simply can't
Jun 8, 2021, 11:51 AM
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put blame on Trump because something he said was used in the future to justify later actions. Or, more fairly...surely you are welcome to point to that as a cause, but he cannot be then found guilty of inciting and insurrection given those parameters. Any more than one would have incited an abortion bombing if one walked by a clinic and told one's friend that it was an abomination and those people were murders, or that the Bible says it is wrong and sinful.
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I'm not saying anything about what the President
Jun 8, 2021, 11:55 AM
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should be found guilty of, legally. I am talking about my opinion of his actions.
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So we're quibbling about the time lapse between
Jun 8, 2021, 12:16 PM
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"saying something", and people "taking action based on that guy saying something"? Does it have to be the same day? Same week? What are your parameters for absolving yourself of responsibility for inciteful speech due to passage of time?
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Is that what you got from my post? That I'm worried about
Jun 8, 2021, 12:23 PM
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the time lag?
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"You simply can't put blame on Trump because something he
Jun 8, 2021, 1:15 PM
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said was used in the future to justify later actions."
He said something at the rally on Jan. 6, and then people storming the Capitol happened. Because it happened in the future, after he said "something", it can't be held against him?
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Wow. That is obtuse.
Jun 8, 2021, 1:26 PM
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Yep. You nailed it, 19. One cannot be held liable for a comment made before an action. I object to the linearity of time. Prove me wrong. I'll hang up and listen.
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Oh, lord. One of them.
Jun 8, 2021, 11:27 AM
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There is no audit or review or anything on the planet that will ever convince you that Trump actually lost the election, rather than being cheated out of it.
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Re: Oh, lord. One of them.
Jun 8, 2021, 11:48 AM
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I'm not convinced as to whether he won or lost. That's the point. We'll probably never know for sure.
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He is the reason you are not convinced of it.
Jun 8, 2021, 11:56 AM
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That's the whole point.
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Re: He is the reason you are not convinced of it.
Jun 8, 2021, 12:03 PM
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Wrong. I was suspicious the day after the election, when we woke up to find that Sniffy Joe had overcome a serious deficit in nearly every state that halted vote counting.
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They didn't ####### halt vote counting.
Jun 8, 2021, 12:10 PM
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Where do you get your news? Why haven't ANY of the audits turned up any evidence whatsoever of widespread voter fraud? Because thousands of Democrats are controlling the audits, and they're all in on the conspiracy? Why are Sidney Powell, Lin Wood, and Mike Lindell being sued for billions of dollars, and recanting their stupidity? Is it because of all the proof they have?
Actually, Mike Lindell isn't recanting. He may actually be dumb enough to lose his fortune in libel suits.
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Re: They didn't ####### halt vote counting.
Jun 8, 2021, 12:18 PM
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If they didn't stop counting, they certainly stopped reporting. I was watching 'til almost 3 in the morning. Or were my eyes just lying?
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So the networks are in on it, too.
Jun 8, 2021, 12:20 PM
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It gets more and more fantastical. Think of all the people involved in this conspiracy, and not a single one has cracked yet. The Democrat machine is remarkable.
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This is what the Republican Party has become.
Jun 8, 2021, 12:36 PM
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Of course, there are good people on both sides.
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If the President had gone on TV
Jun 8, 2021, 12:11 PM
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and explained to you the reason for that, as opposed to feeding the suspicion, then you and everyone else would have moved on and accepted President Biden's win.
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Re: He is the reason you are not convinced of it.
Jun 10, 2021, 12:59 AM
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Wrong , I’m not convinced because very few attended his rallies. He’s a terrible candidate. His running mate received 1% of the vote in primaries. He’s by his own words racist.His son is completely compromised. Only ######### would vote for the cognitively compromised China owned pos. Not to mention quid pro quo in Ukraine. It’s amazing a seemingly intelligent person is so damnably ignorant.
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Re: He is the reason you are not convinced of it.
Jun 10, 2021, 1:10 AM
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Not to mention many affidavits complaining of fake ballots & blocked watchers in all 6 states where counting of ballots was unexplainably stopped in the middle of the night. You really have to try hard to deny all the #### wrong with this past election but somehow the majority of numb nuts on this site do it.
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Any true news organization won't interject their opinion
Jun 8, 2021, 11:49 AM
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when reporting the news.
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Re: The Assocaited Press is pathetic
Jun 8, 2021, 1:53 PM
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These people ("journalists") are essentially people running around with a high-school education and an indoctrination of four years at some degree-granting institution.
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