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Jenna Ellis Testifies Trump was "Not Going to Leave" the White House
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Nov 14, 2023, 2:06 PM
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Trump Attorney Jenna Ellis Testifies Trump was "Not Going to Leave" the White House despite knowing he fairly lost the election.
"It doesn't quite work that way" she told them.
"We don't care" was the response.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1724188581382557765
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Re: Jenna Ellis Testifies Trump was "Not Going to Leave" the White House
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Nov 14, 2023, 2:15 PM
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Re: Jenna Ellis Testifies Trump was "Not Going to Leave" the White House
Nov 14, 2023, 2:20 PM
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So how many former associates of DADDY's administration/inner circle are we up to now who have confirmed that he is a corrupt POS. LOL at the MAGAts who still cling to the narrative that they are all lying. 😆
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Re: Jenna Ellis Testifies Trump was "Not Going to Leave" the White House
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Nov 14, 2023, 4:12 PM
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hearsay
not admmissible in a real trial
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Re: Jenna Ellis Testifies Trump was "Not Going to Leave" the White House
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Nov 14, 2023, 4:33 PM
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Re: Jenna Ellis Testifies Trump was "Not Going to Leave" the White House
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Nov 14, 2023, 5:07 PM
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It is entertaining in a darkly funny and sordid sort of way watching Trump's former "Legal Elite Strike Team" fleeing like rats from a sinking ship and grabbing themselves plea deals left and right. It would seem these allegedly elite lawyers have sized up the legal battlefield and decided they're putting their money on the prosecution.
This would not appear to bode well for those left without plea deals.
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"Weaponized" is exposing itself.***
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Nov 14, 2023, 9:49 PM
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Re: Jenna Ellis Testifies Trump was "Not Going to Leave" the White House
Nov 14, 2023, 10:04 PM
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Is it really surprising that any defendant, if given super sweetheart plea deals, won’t say anything in order to not violate the terms of their plea deal?
Does anyone think that a normal defendant won’t sell out colleagues or former colleagues to stay out of jail themselves?
Everyone does that. This is why Jenna Ellis’ testimony, in which she opines that Trump probably said, that he wasn’t going to leave the WH?
Trump may, or may not, have actually said something along the lines of ‘there is no justification for me to leave the WH.’ That does not mean what the other Trump associate said to Ms. Ellis.
In the absence of Ms. Ellis having heard, with her own ears, the statement that she heard from her colleague, this is just here say.
Sorry.
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Is this an ongoing case?
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Nov 14, 2023, 4:34 PM
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How is this made public?
Anyway, she says Trump said he wasn’t leaving. Then said a top aide told her. lol. Top men.
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Lol***
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Nov 14, 2023, 5:13 PM
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This might be a silly question, but how does this comport with
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Nov 14, 2023, 5:18 PM
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the fact that he actually did leave?
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It comports with all the other evidence to tell a pretty clear story.
Nov 14, 2023, 5:38 PM
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Do you remember Trump's conduct when he was supposed to be doing the presidential thing and welcoming his replacement? No one knew what he was going to do until he super-non-presidentially flew away on Biden's inauguration day. I'm betting Trump wasn't sure what he was going to do, either.
Other than getting his a$$ impeached one last time, I'm not sure what Trump was up to between Jan. 6 and 20.
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Are we arguing that hes not unpresidential?
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Nov 14, 2023, 5:48 PM
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Cause I’m not.
Im just curious on what level 2nd hand unnamed source stories about a guy who already left supposedly saying he totally wasn’t leaving is news or court-worthy.
If my cousin’s friend’s brother calls State Farm and tells them I intend to burn my house down in June 2022 for insurance fraud, is that info remotely interesting to anyone in November 2023 when my house is just fine?
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Re: Are we arguing that hes not unpresidential?
Nov 14, 2023, 6:43 PM
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It sounds like you don't believe the witness. I'm saying the testimony coheres very well with everything else I saw with my own eyes between the November 2020 election and Inauguration Day.
If you think she's lying, well I'm going to guess you're mistaken.
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Nope.
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Nov 14, 2023, 9:31 PM
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I’m not getting to the point where I’m even considering her credibility because what does it matter? Are we making the case that he pitched a tantrum about losing? Uh ok, was this not known?
If he told some unknown random staffer “I’m not leaving” butthen in fact did leave, is that illegal in some way?
This seems like a nothing burger from a legal standpoint, and from a newsworthiness standpoint, it’s not even interesting in that it literally reveals nothing we didn’t already know if it is true.
What am I missing here? Let’s say it’s 100% true. What a-ha moment did you get from this personally or legally?
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Obviously, he didn't. He left with good reason.***
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Nov 14, 2023, 9:51 PM
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By the way, I was referring to spooneye...
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Re: Are we arguing that hes not unpresidential?
Nov 14, 2023, 10:07 PM
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I believe Ms. Ellis heard what she said. It is still just heresay. Whether the person who told her that corroborates those exact words, or cites something else, really matters.
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I'm pretty sure I can tell you what Trump was doing between 6 - 20 JAN 21...
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Nov 14, 2023, 5:54 PM
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Mostly whining like a little b*tch with a tremendously bruised ego. Then sometime on/around 13 JAN 2021 - he started having the movers show up to pack his shid and put it in boxes and loaded onto a truck. Sure - he publicly continued his whinefest and acted like a spoiled man-child but in the deepest recesses of his bruised ego he had accepted he was no longer going to be President and was actively preparing to leave the White House. Which, by the way, is exactly what Trump did.
Sorry - I'm just not buying the whole "didn't know what he was going to do until the last minute thing". All his stuff was packed and moved out of the White House by the morning of 20 JAN 2021. As someone that has moved my entire household over 18 times - I can testify that you can't wait until the last minute to make a decision about leaving a house - much less the White House.
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I 100% agree that he was ready to go on Jan. 20.
Nov 14, 2023, 6:44 PM
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Which is clear because he did, in fact, go.
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(In contrast to your argument above)... Right.***
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Nov 14, 2023, 9:53 PM
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Thats a helluva connect the dots but ok
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Nov 14, 2023, 9:40 PM
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Seems like the person using “the boss” line to her should testify as to why he understood they didn’t plan on leaving. Would be interesting to know.
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So.... Is Trump still in power and we just have the illusion of Joe Biden
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Nov 14, 2023, 5:21 PM
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in the White House?? Who knew?? I mean - some dude told Jenna Ellis that Trump wasn't leaving "no matter what" so I guess the gig is up - it's really Trump who is pulling Joe Biden's puppet strings.
I get that there may be some political "wow" of this testimony but what is there from a legal aspect?? If Ellis' story is true in so far as Trump actually said "I ain't leaving and I don't care" then I'm sure it will be among the top of an already long list of why Trump is not fit for office. But... a second hand comment from someone who may have been barking above their paygrade to Ellis is hardly proof of a conspiracy or whatever you want to call it. Now - get the f**ker under oath who Ellis claims told her the "we ain't leavin'" stuff and confirm they heard these words come directly from Trump's lips and then you got some political fire there daddy-o...
Back to the legal side... As opposed to some un-named aides claims to the contrary, I can remember what actually happened on January 20, 2021. Trump vacated the White House at the time and date that he was supposed to. Trump packed up all his shid and had movers take it to Mar-a-Lago. H.e.l.l - we even found out later that Trump boxed some things up himself (TS documents cough, cough). The Presidential transition of power to Joe Biden occurred just as it was supposed to on January 20, 2021. Did Trump act like a spoiled man-child about the whole thing?? Absolutely. But did Trump actually do anything illegal in regards to giving up Presidential power?? Not that I can see unless not going to the incoming Presidential inauguration is somehow illegal.
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She turned me into a newt!!!!
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Nov 14, 2023, 5:36 PM
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…….i got better.
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Re: Is conspiring to create and recognize fake electors illegal?***
Nov 14, 2023, 5:51 PM
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what are you yaking about, states appoint electors
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Re: Is conspiring to create and recognize fake electors illegal?***
Nov 14, 2023, 6:55 PM
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AND the States, as CERTIFIED by each Governor, did appoint legal electors which were in the box that the VP was to count on J6. Then, the Trump team, came up with FAKE(their own words, which was later changed to "alternate")electors to try to subvert the LEGAL process. Please note that the "fake elector" paperwork was even sent to the national archives. Sorry, you and Trump lose the legal case on this one!
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Re: Is conspiring to create and recognize fake electors illegal?***
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Nov 14, 2023, 8:18 PM
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why are you reading my poasts, you have me on ignore
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Re: Is conspiring to create and recognize fake electors illegal?***
Nov 15, 2023, 11:50 AM
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According to Julian Epstein (former lead counsel for the Democrat faction in the House of Representatives), Trump did nothing illegal. Epstein asserted that Team Trump’s interpretation of what is allowed in the 12th Amendment was ‘weird’ … but not illegal.
In summary, there was nothing illegal about submitting an alternative slate of electors, since Trump truly believed that he had won the 2020 election.
That, my friend, is the standard.
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trump has the epstein records
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Nov 14, 2023, 5:50 PM
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only reason he has not been dedded
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Re: Jenna Ellis Testifies Trump was
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Nov 14, 2023, 10:41 PM
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Obama was "Not Going to Leave" the Nation's Capitol when Trump took office.
He stayed in D.C. and subverted the new Administration ever since....how do you feel about that?
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