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CU Medallion [58731]
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Clemson basketball has finished ranked ONCE in 13 years
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:13 PM
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under Brownell. How can anybody rationalize that or twist that into acceptable, much less "good" in any way?
A quick look reveals that many schools with similar or lower budgets than Clemson have finished ranked more often than us. I really don't understand why the bar is set so pathetically low for Clemson basketball.
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Orange Blooded [3337]
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Re: Clemson basketball has finished ranked ONCE in 13 years
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:15 PM
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Something something money. Something something fan support.
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Re: Clemson basketball has finished ranked ONCE in 13 years
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:20 PM
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You forgot something something insert Dabo insult
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Schools with smaller or similar funding and fan support and
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:25 PM
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times they have finished ranked over Brownell's tenure:
Miami 4
Utah 2
Wisconsin 10
Creighton 6
Missouri 2
Wichita St 4
Iowa 4
K-State 5
Cincinnatti 4
BYU 2
Xavier 5
There are more but you get the picture.
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Orange Blooded [2672]
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Re: Schools with smaller or similar funding and fan support and
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Mar 17, 2023, 2:23 PM
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Don't disagree with a lot of your list. But Miami paid at least 1.6 'million for Wong and Nigel Pack this year.
Does anybody know the player on Clemson with the most lucrative NIL deal?
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CU Guru [1487]
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There are 74 programs with a better avg NET over 13 years.
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Mar 17, 2023, 4:19 PM
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That's downright pathetic, especially considering what we pay your husband, Ms. K.
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CU Guru [1487]
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Top-40 twice in 13 years, and one of those
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:24 PM
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was with OP's players.
Yet, Brad makes the 38th largest salary in America. It's a wildly imbalanced salary.
That, and an average NET of 75 over 13 years.
I've been beating drum for a long time.
Neff really overreacted to 23 wins. It was a mirage. Brad is Brad, and no amount of money or fans can fix his lack of coaching ability.
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We will go 18-15 next year, then regress for another
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:27 PM
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year, then be right back on the bubble in 3 years. We know this. If this is what we want, keep doing it. If not, make a change.
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CU Guru [1487]
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I know, right. Does anyone expect a change in year 14?
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:35 PM
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Brad is a good dude, but let's be real here - he's stealing that 38th salary. Brad doesn't mind though.
I'm wondering when Neff will issue a follow-up statement to the monumental gaff of making the decision before all the results are in. I imagine he won't speak on it for awhile.
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You poor, desperate troll.***
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Mar 17, 2023, 3:17 PM
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Considering we were ranked within the Top 20 earlier in
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:25 PM
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the season, they can't use the excuse that we get no respect from the media. Our NET was in the 50's back then yet the humans gave us the benefit of the doubt.
We flopped from there, obviously, and ultimately proved that we never belonged there to begin with. We made the humans look bad, and the computers and algorithms look thoroughly accurate and more trustworthy.
I feel bad for Graham. Brad totally Lucy'd him but good after lavishing the confidence and praise he did. It makes Graham look naive and out of touch, just another routine sucker. Unfortunately, Graham has now lost the benefit of the doubt regarding his administration going forward. Considering where we are with conference financing and realignment and such, the bigger issues out there, the confidence level that we are in good hands is reset to a 'don't know' status over 'feel good.'
Go Tigers!
#FreeClemsonHoops
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I started questioning Neff after he retained Brad last year.
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:29 PM
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That's when he moved into my "don't know" category. After making an ultimatum that we must be in the NCAA Tourney this year then we don't make it and he decides he "sees this as an NCAA Tourney team" and we should retain him??? I've lost all respect for Neff. A man is only as good as his word. And at this point he has lied to Tiger Nation. He'll be next on the chopping block.
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CU Guru [1487]
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I don't fault him last year. It was his 1st year on the job, and
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:40 PM
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he didn't want to come in guns a-blazin'.
But there's no excuse for not using 13 years of data and doing what needed to be done this year. He obviously overreacted to the "record" ACC season, which most everyone realized was due to the state of a once great conference. In any case, I think his idea of announcing it early was to provide some impetus heading into to the NET. He was being a nice guy. Looking back on this season though, it was an abject failure.
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He didn't have any issue with firing Monte in his first year***
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Mar 17, 2023, 2:05 PM
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All-In [44160]
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Monte underachieved and Brad hasn’t.
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Mar 17, 2023, 3:25 PM
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That’s the difference.
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Re: Monte underachieved and Brad hasn’t.
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Mar 17, 2023, 3:47 PM
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That’s the difference.
I just spit out my water!!!!
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CU Guru [1487]
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Yeah, we're paying Brad the 38th biggest salary in America
Mar 17, 2023, 4:18 PM
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to have 2 top-40 finishes and and avg NET of 75th.
No, Ms. Keller that is not overachieving. It's the epitome of underachieving.
Derp.
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Re: Monte underachieved and Brad hasn’t.
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Are you completely insane? Please explain because otherwise you are absolutely trolling at this point.
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Sounds about right.***
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:25 PM
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From the looks of it DRad and now Neff just don't care...
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:25 PM
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about basketball. There is no other way around it. They know that with Dabo and the football team as successful as they are that we will keep forking over the money to IPTAY and basketball can continue to be an afterthought.
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CU Guru [1487]
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Neff is a huge basketball fan. He absolutely cares and
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:44 PM
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wants a solid basketball program.
His friendship with Brad and the lack of AD experience and tough decisions has put us in this "lame duck" bind.
I'll wager anyone right now, next season will see a fall back in the wins and ACC standings. It will finally shut the door on the nightmare that has become the Brownell Era. So yeah, pretty much just another wasted year.
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Re: Clemson basketball has finished ranked ONCE in 13 years
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:29 PM
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I'm not particularly thrilled with Brownell either but being "ranked" in D1 basketball is different than being ranked in football. 25 out of 120 schools in football are ranked. 25 out of 360 in basketball are ranked. There are a lot of storied basketball programs that are relevant year in and year out. Being ranked in basketball is closer to being in the top 10 in football tier wise.
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It's hard to be ranked - to be good in basketball, so we
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:38 PM
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really shouldn't expect it. Or at least, not be concerned if we're not ever ranked.
Got it.
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Re: Clemson basketball has finished ranked ONCE in 13 years
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Mar 17, 2023, 12:43 PM
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That doesn’t make sense. Football is splits into 2 divisions where there are 128 schools that have accepted irrelevance in FCS. None of those schools would crack the top 25 in FBS. In basketball, there are 23 conferences with 1 bid - those leagues are equivalent to the FcS schools and would never have a ranked team. A top 25 in basketball is the exact same as a top 25 in FBS.
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We are totally irrelevant in basketball.
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Let's be relevant. Let's commit to improving, to being better. Let's stop accepting irrelevance. It does not, as has been demonstrated, require a financial commitment beyond our means. First, we need to decide that where we are and have been is not acceptable, and acknowledge that we can indeed do better, or at least try. Then we sit down and analyze why we haven't done better and fix it.
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Oculus Spirit [91455]
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Exactly All-In on Brad isn't our answer..
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Mar 17, 2023, 1:25 PM
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so 2023 will be probably be an impossible endeavor (in hoping to improve over 23-10) considering half the team will transfer, new players will be needed & coached up and the coach won't coach any better.
Saying, a Lame Duck scenario unless lightening strikes us in a good way!
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I agree with you, but it's because football has done so well
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Mar 17, 2023, 2:00 PM
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over this time period. This has led to a "Don't worry about it" mentality from those in charge about how we perform in basketball. Apparently.
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Re: Clemson basketball has finished ranked ONCE in 13 years
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Mar 17, 2023, 2:24 PM
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brad sux
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Re: Clemson basketball has finished ranked ONCE in 13 years
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Mar 17, 2023, 4:32 PM
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It is just crazy to imagine that a program can finish outside of the Top 35 end-of-the-season AP rankings in 12 of 13 years and somehow, that is viewed as acceptable performance.
I guess if you are willing to lower the bar far enough, anything can be cast as acceptable...
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And it's amazing to hear some folks spin that into a
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Mar 17, 2023, 5:14 PM
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positive, as if it's some kind of an achievement.
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