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Things that turned me on BB
Mar 11, 2013, 1:49 PM
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I always thought he was going to be good and I still think he's a good coach, just not a good fit for Clemson.
You need to be able to recruit good players for his style. It's a catch 22. Clemson doesn't have the name to just pull in good players. BB style is pretty boring for recruits. There is no pull. OP had a pull, we play up tempo and exciting bb. Brad would do great imo at an NCST or maybe even a Wake but not at Clemson. I just don't think he'll ever get enough good players to come play here for him to be a success(success being making the tourney).
Also, his style is losing the fans bigtime. It's boring and there's zero excitement around this program. His personality doesn't help either.
Add to the fact that the more OP players he has lost, the worse we have gotten. People say OP didn't leave him with much, but the more of Brad's recruits that have gotten here, the worse we have played. If OP's players were so bad, the opposite should be true.
I'm sure he'll get one more yr, but once again, next yr, I'm suspecting the excitement level will be down in the dumper like it was this yr.
I just feel like we're delaying the inevitable.
flame away. 
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Re: Things that turned me on BB
Mar 11, 2013, 1:58 PM
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I believe he needs coaching help. He sits players between coaches when they come off the floor and then those coaches don't talk to the player. He needs a post player coach for sure. If he makes no changes then he will be in his last year. He has made some good hires. Rick Ray was great. Virginia tech's coach would have been fine but he did not last long and Billy Donlan is fine at Wright State. Caoch B does need to spend more time with the fans but I believe he is shy.
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110%er [6698]
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Agree however I am a believer in miracles
Mar 11, 2013, 2:00 PM
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Yet if there is not one in this ACC tournament, I think BB will be gone soon. I have been watching Clemson since the 50's and this is not the most untalented team to play here by far, but it is the lack of hustle - passion and a will to win that has bothered me so much. I hope for a miraculous turn-around in the tournament or bye bye BB!
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Re: Things that turned me on BB
Mar 11, 2013, 2:01 PM
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lol you have never given the guy a chance if you are trying to fire him when his oldest recruit is a Sophmore.
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110%er [6698]
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Freshmen at other schools have badly outplayed our
Mar 11, 2013, 2:04 PM
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freshmen and sophomores!
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CU Medallion [73569]
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what's up with Sullivan. He was supposed to be our stud
Mar 11, 2013, 2:06 PM
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recruit from that class?
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Re: what's up with Sullivan. He was supposed to be our stud
Mar 11, 2013, 2:11 PM
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I believe he hid his asthma. I do agree with lack of hustle. May also need a better strngth and conditioning coach
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Rock Defender [54]
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His oldest recruit is not a Soph, it's a Jr.
Mar 11, 2013, 3:31 PM
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Ya'll conviently forget that Stanton was a Brownell recruit who decided to transfer.
Give Brownell 1 more year, but if we are not in the NIT next year......pull the plug.
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Re: His oldest recruit is not a Soph, it's a Jr.
Mar 11, 2013, 3:36 PM
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You mean a guy that he was forced to bring with him due to OP having ONE PG on the roster.
The guy that was quickly out recruited and transferred.
The guy that came in after Brownell was hired EXTREMELY late in the process.
Yes that guy is no longer here.
Your hatred for anyone other than OP is showing. Kinda sad you idolize a man who left Clemson due to his inability to keep it in his pants.
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no flame. clemson needs to clearly define it's expectations
Mar 11, 2013, 2:17 PM
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of the program. it sounds like they are doing some of this by considering a new facility vs new rounds of renos. there are all kinds of additional drivers as well.
one of the biggest pieces has to be the 'face' of the program - the head coach.
IF clemson dumps 60mil plus into a new facility, is it in clemson's best interest to seek a new, bigger name coach or has brownlee shown enough to garner the additional years it might take, with clemson's best foot put forward[facilities et al], to build a program with those clearly defined expectations in mind?
i'm not an Xs & Os basketball fan, but i believe it would be in clemson's best interest if they are going to commit that kind of keesh, to start anew by hiring a new coach. i wouldn't want to impede/hinder/limit the energy/momentum generated by the new facility with "old questions" surrounding the future of the head coach position.
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^^^Always wanting to fire somebody^^^^***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:19 PM
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^^^Wants to bring back Cristy McKinney^^^***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:20 PM
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I don't care what anyone says, he's a helluva coach.***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:21 PM
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Kind of an ugly dude though***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:29 PM
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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all those championship trophies were smokin hawt though...
Mar 11, 2013, 2:34 PM
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oh wait.
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Heisman Winner [105574]
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I'm guessing he's not a big fan of Peters***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:37 PM
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i think separating people based on their fondness of peters
Mar 11, 2013, 2:43 PM
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is frowned upon by most federal and state agencies, but we both know which side of the bathhouse lbu sits.
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Re: Things that turned me on BB
Mar 11, 2013, 2:21 PM
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The whiteboard needs to go. Anyone else in the country use one?
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why are you hiding?***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:27 PM
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Re: why are you hiding?***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:31 PM
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who are you addressing?
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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the other poster he responded to?***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:33 PM
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Heisman Winner [105574]
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who are you addressing?***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:35 PM
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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the one with the baffled look on his face.***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:37 PM
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Heisman Winner [105574]
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Well that narrows it down***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:38 PM
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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is that a fat joke?
Mar 11, 2013, 2:40 PM
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franc's not going like that.
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Heisman Winner [105574]
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who is franc addressing?***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:41 PM
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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if he'd look someone in the eye, we'd both know.***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:44 PM
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Re: who are you addressing?***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:38 PM
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Do not address him while he is addressing someone else about who he is addressing.
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Heisman Winner [105574]
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I need some sort of informational bar graph***
Mar 11, 2013, 2:39 PM
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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^^^ wants to practice coloring between the lines.***
Mar 11, 2013, 4:58 PM
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All-In [26968]
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Yes, kinda hard to see a light at the end of this tunnel.
Mar 11, 2013, 2:23 PM
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Some of the young players show some promise, but they don't appear to be special. Brownell needs to recruit a difference-maker or two.
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Re: Things that turned me on BB
Mar 11, 2013, 2:24 PM
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Yea,OP had pull allright.
In fact his pull is so good he never got a team,any teanm he coached(Old Dominion,Dayton,Clemson ,or DePaul)past the first round of the NCAA Final Four.
Maybe because his style,while exciting,wore his teams down.
That would turn me.Add to that the way he bolted for DePaul and left our program in a mess makes me glad his style,his tempo,his excitment is gone.
I suspect next year will be better.If not get back to me and tell me you said so.
I just flamed!
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Brownell has not gone any further than OP in the NCAAs.....
Mar 11, 2013, 3:33 PM
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at Clemson.
Brownell has gone EXACTLY as far as OP did in the NCAAs.
He has not matched him in the ACC tournament.
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Brownell won a game in the NCAAs.....**********
Mar 11, 2013, 3:36 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Yes he has, but at Clemson.....
Mar 11, 2013, 3:42 PM
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He has not gotten any further than OP did.
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There is no doubt that he will have to recruit better, but I
Mar 11, 2013, 2:34 PM
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disagree about his style not being right for Clemson.
If we had a couple of really good shooters right now, we'd be winning, and it would never occur to anybody to complain about or even critique his style.
Brownlee's success always has and still does depend almost entirely on how well he can recruit.
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Rock Defender [56]
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another dumper
Mar 11, 2013, 2:59 PM
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let BB's players grow up
oh yeah, and watch the ACC tourney, you might be changing your tune like all you bandwagon fans
bunch of gumpy old fart fans
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BB's style of basketball is vastly different....
Mar 11, 2013, 3:10 PM
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than the constant press/trap style that OP brought to Clemson. BB's style of play is also a lot less entertaining IMO.
Ultimately...it all boils down to one thing and that is having the shooters who can put the ball in the basket; something that both OP and BB really lacked.
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110%er [7913]
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exactly....just like we were talking about earlier regarding
Mar 11, 2013, 3:15 PM
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the offensive lapses are due to lack of talent...I wonder how the ticket sales are going to go next yr coming off of this season.
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We experienced those scoring lapses under OP too though....
Mar 11, 2013, 3:34 PM
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When you implement that style of play, you really need a pretty deep bench to keep fresh players in the game because tired legs generally equates to poor shooting; something we experienced plenty under OP.
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110%er [7913]
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we've experienced those lapses under Barnes, Shyatt, OP, BB
Mar 11, 2013, 4:48 PM
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Ellis, etc.
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CU Medallion [64693]
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Yeah but most of these young bucks around here....
Mar 11, 2013, 5:16 PM
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can't remember back as far as this past weekend, if that, so I though I'd just keep it simple.
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110%er [7913]
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good point :-)***
Mar 11, 2013, 5:17 PM
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All-TigerNet [14921]
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BB turns you on?***
Mar 11, 2013, 3:26 PM
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Orange Blooded [4367]
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He doesn't even have a Johnson.
Mar 11, 2013, 3:30 PM
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I do not understand dis
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110%er [5249]
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But he does have a Rod***
Mar 11, 2013, 3:43 PM
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Orange Blooded [4367]
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What good is a Rod if he doesn't know how to use it?
Mar 11, 2013, 3:51 PM
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poot.
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Would you still want Barnes as our coach?
Mar 11, 2013, 3:42 PM
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Seem kind of similar to me. Texas fans seem to like him.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Barnes could recruit (or Shyatt depending on who you ask)
Mar 11, 2013, 3:44 PM
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Barnes brought in BIG time players. Plus the ACC as WAY more competitive back then. He also showed emotion, he stood up to Dean and the ACC.
I would take Barnes back in 2 seconds.
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I was referring to style of play but
Mar 11, 2013, 3:58 PM
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I think the way Purnell left really hurt our recruiting. Not saying Brownell is good recruiter.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I agree
Mar 11, 2013, 4:06 PM
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Just remember how competetive the ACC was with Barnes.
UNC was UNC
Duke was Duke
Wake had Tim Duncan
NC State with Herb was a quality team
GT had Marbury
FSU was a thorn in our side
and you had to play everyone twice.
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Why do you want to announce your ignorance about BasketBall?***
Mar 11, 2013, 4:01 PM
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110%er [6108]
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1st sign he was a bad hire was losing to Darrin Horn
Mar 11, 2013, 6:24 PM
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twice. Bad, bad losses.
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