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Matt Luke is going to have to kick some serious tale on the recruiting trail for next class if we want to make up for the 2024 OL class.
Some are going to give me some stats or point out something specific or special about some of these guys but reality is on average ratings do matter and who offers matters even more. We offered a lot of different guys before we landed on who we got. We need to recognize that these are not the players the coaches wanted. They are who they were left with.
I do think Matt will be a game changer and bring in some solid players.
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Re: 2025 OL
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what are you talking about? He just signed 4 offensive linemen today.
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Re: 2025 OL
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Dec 20, 2023, 1:08 PM
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He started today
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Re: 2025 OL
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Dec 20, 2023, 1:11 PM
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Unbelievable
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Re: 2025 OL
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Dec 20, 2023, 1:17 PM
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Good grief. One who signed today was a 4*.
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Re: 2025 OL
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Dec 20, 2023, 1:44 PM
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Haha okay. So one late 3/4* player is a game changer and makes this OL class elite or even good? Reality is we just got a OL from Duke that no one else wanted but Duke and an OL from Danial HS that no one else wanted except for FCS and group of 5 schools. Those types of players are why our OL have been bad the least few years. Go look at GA class and tell me this class can compete on the OL.
It ain’t like I’m talking about our entire class I’m just talking about the OL. It is a bottom of the barrel OL class and whoever tries to argue otherwise is delusional.
Go ahead and show me how our OL class is better than the majority of the top 25 teams in CFB for 2024.
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mason wade had a lot of offers from P5 schools. He chose Duke prior to senior
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Dec 20, 2023, 2:15 PM
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year - " Wade chose Duke over the likes of Auburn, Tennessee, Southern Cal and Maryland. Wade also reportedly called off pending trips to North Carolina and Virginia Tech."
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Who is the OLine playing for Tampa from North Dakota State?
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Dec 20, 2023, 2:19 PM
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A lot of these guys are late developers. May not be 5* guys ready to start or NFL bound, but there is some potential there.
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Re: Who is the OLine playing for Tampa from North Dakota State?
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Dec 20, 2023, 2:52 PM
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Totally not the point. I can find dozens of 2-3* players that turned into NFL players. The point is on “Average” ratings matter.
I don’t even care as much about the ratings when our coaches identify players early and make the offer and we land a 3*. That typically means they saw something others haven’t. Then that player typically rises in ratings by signing day. See our 2025 QB for example.
The point is we had to make these offer last minute because we either are down two scholarships or we at least fill them with lower rated players and hope they develop. So yeah we have to hope we got a couple steels and develop them.
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Re: Who is the OLine playing for Tampa from North Dakota State?
Dec 20, 2023, 3:01 PM
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What we don't know is who the coaches are watching and have in place to offer if one of our 1st choices does not accept. As you know we make a lot less offers than other schools because they are real acceptable offers. So some of these guys quite possibly were on our radar and at other schools would have been included in offers where we wait and see before we make the offer.
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Re: Who is the OLine playing for Tampa from North Dakota State?
Dec 21, 2023, 6:47 AM
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Ot the previous oline coach couldn't get these guys to even look at Clemson? You don't know who the staff wanted. Tons of big time schools wanted Wade and Clemson offered and he committed quickly.
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Re: Who is the OLine playing for Tampa from North Dakota State?
Dec 20, 2023, 9:43 PM
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Yep. And made the CFP 6 years in a row.
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Re: 2025 OL
Dec 21, 2023, 3:22 AM
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Hey not Einstein. You obviously didn’t bother to look at “the Duke kids” offer list. Cooterville awaits you!
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Re: 2025 OL
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You need to realize how few players we offer.
Clemson offered 20 offensive line recruits
Tennessee 61
Texas A&M 41
Alabama 29
Florida State 54
Miami 59
I could keep going, but I think this gets my point across. Clemson is very selective.
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Re: 2025 OL
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Dec 20, 2023, 1:47 PM
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And even though we are selective we stuck out of the select few we initially went after. Now to be fair Matt wasn’t here, that was TA. I do blame him for the poor recruitment this class. That’s one reason he was let go I feel.
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Re: 2025 OL
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I don't know what to think about Thurmon.
I think Watson Young will bust his ### and be a very good Center for us.
Do you not like Ronan O'Connell?
Mason Wade will end up being one of the top players from this class. He had a good offer list and because he wanted to go to Duke, he was automatically slapped with a 3-star rating. When all is said and done he will be a better college player than Blake Franks.
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Re: 2025 OL
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Dec 20, 2023, 1:47 PM
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This 2024 class may be great. How do you know? Looking foward to a great ine in 2025, but maybe 2024 is great. We will see.
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Re: 2025 OL
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Dec 20, 2023, 1:50 PM
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The point is if you want to get to have a solid OL year in and year out you have to recruit top 250 players year in and year out.
Again it’s not Matt’s fault. He’s just got to improve the room.
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Re: 2025 OL
Dec 20, 2023, 2:55 PM
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We have solid talent. We did well. OL is much harder to predict than any other position.
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Re: 2025 OL
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Dec 20, 2023, 1:56 PM
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Some of y’all seem to insinuate we aren’t going to be fans of or not cheer for the players in this class. That’s not what is being said. They are tigers and we all have to hope they we lucked up and got some steels in this 2024 OL haul.
But a “Steal” is exactly what they would be. None of the OL we got are top 250 players nationally. So “On Paper” this is not a good class and these players are “NOT” who the coaches wanted 1st or even 2nd. These are 3rd and 4th choices after striking out in the 2024 class and the portal.
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Re: 2025 OL
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Dec 20, 2023, 2:01 PM
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Well lucky for us the game is not played on paper, but on the field ...stop worrying so much and trust the coaches. There's nothing you or any of us can do about it anyway
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Re: 2025 OL
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Dec 20, 2023, 2:12 PM
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Ha we are fans. We aren’t coaches. All we do is cheer and discuss all things Clemson Football. I think it’s a poor class on paper and if you rate our class against the rest it’s poor.
Agree it’s not played on paper and we possibly may have got a couple steels. Only time will tell. But I’m sticking to what I said.
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Re: 2025 OL
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Dec 20, 2023, 2:09 PM
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Some of y’all seem to insinuate we aren’t going to be fans of or not cheer for the players in this class. That’s not what is being said. They are tigers and we all have to hope they we lucked up and got some steels in this 2024 OL haul.
But a “Steal” is exactly what they would be. None of the OL we got are top 250 players nationally. So “On Paper” this is not a good class and these players are “NOT” who the coaches wanted 1st or even 2nd. These are 3rd and 4th choices after striking out in the 2024 class and the portal.
We have seen plenty of 4* linemen on Clemson's roster who have not played until the junior or senior year and plenty of 3* guys who were great linemen early on at Clemson. Perhaps instead of prejudging these four young men to be something less than good, we wait a year or two so we actually have some basis for analysis. Young men who chose Clemson deserve the benefit of the doubt as a minimum.
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Re: 2025 OL
Dec 20, 2023, 5:11 PM
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And Mitchell Mayes was one of the highest, if not highest, rated OL recruits we have ever had. Now he’s at Charlotte….
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Outside the top 250..
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(375, 575, 745, and 1563)
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Re: 2025 OL
Dec 21, 2023, 4:16 AM
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Do you realize we have the highest rated OL group we have ever had overall?
That’s why many we recruited didn’t come. They like the odds of walking in and starting right away.
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Re: 2025 OL
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Dec 20, 2023, 1:58 PM
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LOL 'not the players the coaches wanted.'
This is easily the worst take on this OL class and it's not even close. What a boneheaded thing to say.
Go Tigers!
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Re: 2025 OL
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Dec 20, 2023, 2:05 PM
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Okay so how do you want to explain it when the coaches offered many players before offering Wade and young? Missed on all of them including the transfer OL. Then a week before signing day we offer out to those two?
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Wade's recruiting opened back up because of a coaching change - he likely
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would not have entertained any offer after committed to Duke in june. Elko leaving changed that and opened the door for those conversations.
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Re: 2025 OL
Dec 20, 2023, 3:33 PM
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Could it be Wade has been a solid Duke commit until his head coach left
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Re: 2025 OL
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Sure. Dabo and his staff honor their commitments. When we're late in the cycle like this and have a standing offer for someone still out there, they are committed to honoring it - that's the way they roll and you should know that. Once that kid has committed elsewhere, they will then extend additional offers that they can honor from there. Dabo laid it out pretty clear in his presser that these late offers and takes are all kids that they have been following and recruiting for some time, often years. There are a few exceptions like ETN and Simmons who were relatively new to the staff at the time, who stepped in front of someone similar they had already been targeting.
Secondly, Dabo is not going to offer a scholarship to anyone that he or the position coach don't want on the team. That's what you stated, and it's total BS. That's a ridiculous position that has no basis in reality.
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Re: 2025 OL
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That is a truly ignorant post. When I said Wanted you can clearly tell that I meant when they made a list of the OL men they wanted that those guys were not on that list. They were on that list of kids they’d offer in a worst case scenario happened. Which it clearly did when they missed on literally everyone. If those were the ones they truly “wanted” they would have offered them first. Stop acting like I’m saying they are being forced to put players on the team they don’t want.
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It's called:
Dec 20, 2023, 8:06 PM
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Fall, fall way back‐
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Re: 2025 OL
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Given how average the line has been I think it can still get better quickly under good coaching. The star rating on these guys is a bummer but we've made 4* linemen look like trash anyway. The situation has been so bad it can only get better.
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Re: 2025 OL
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Quality post!
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Re: 2025 OL
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It wasn’t so much the stars of our OL who was signed, but more of a developmental issu when you look at who we already have. We had a good OL haul the last 2 years. I think Luke will develop the ones already on the team and this class and future classes.
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Re: 2025 OL
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Another quality post! Thanks.
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He's a good OL coach. He'll make them better and our OL will hold its
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Re: He's a good OL coach. He'll make them better and our OL will hold its
Dec 20, 2023, 2:43 PM
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Have no doubt about that. Proof is in the pudding for his OL development
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Re: 2025 OL
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So obviously I’m getting a lot of kick back so I’ll throw out this question. What grade you you give this OL class. Also while we are at it Grade out the rest of the positions
QB-NA
RB- B+
WR-A+
OL- D+
TE- A-
DE- B-
DT- B+
LB- B+
S - B+
CB- B+
K - A+
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Re: 2025 OL
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Our OLine class is crap. Idgaf what most of you are saying, "trust the coaches?" You are joking I hope. You seen where trust got us the last couple years. We offer these local kids and these less than average players. It's incredibly silly and you're blind to think this is such a great OL class, or even Good. It's a FCS OL class. And if I remember correctly "Best is the Standard" well I guess we aren't practicing what we preach. Some of you need to take your orange lens classes off and look at it for what it is.
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Re: 2025 OL
Dec 20, 2023, 9:39 PM
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How many games have the 2024 guys played so far?
How many guys are coming back
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Re: 2025 OL
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Bet you have never been accused of be smart. Tool!!!
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Re: 2025 OL
Dec 21, 2023, 4:18 AM
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Absolutely this won’t age well at all..😀
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Your English needs a...
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lot of work. "Tool!!!", derogatory insults are a red flag for surrendering the argument, succumbing to defeat—
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Re: 2025 OL
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So you don’t provide an intelligent response and are choose to insult and are calling me dumb? Got it.
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Re: 2025 OL
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Actually, Clemson's current roster has arguably one if the highest cumulative star ratings that Swinney has had in his tenure. I think that a lot of you are gonna be shocked when you see a great veteran coach can do with talent. I think the oline talent is there to be a Top 15 line next season. Luke is a top notch recruiter. The late additions this year were all due to him. Relax.
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Re: 2025 OL
Dec 21, 2023, 6:58 AM
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All of our position classes rate at least C(Clemson)+ so give them a chance to show us what they can do. No use dwelling on how we recruited in the past, see what Luke does with what we have and recruit going forward. Maybe one of our Gurus can come up with how our combined 2015 or 2016 OL groups rated! It would be interesting to see.
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